Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #52

[MimosaMornings]

Coronavirus infects North Carolina workers at pick-your-own strawberries farm, forcing closure

Oh no.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Coronavirus & Chloroquine -- Woman Who Gave Her Husband Fish-Tank Cleaner is Under Investigation for Murder | National Review

National Virus Possible Crime News....moo

Interesting, as I think it’s possible some murders also happened during 9/11 that were unknown. I do believe there are people who realize they can take advantage of the confusion caused during events like this.

 

[KALI]

Neither hubby or I will ever go into a nursing home. We have no children to take care of us, like we took care of hubby father.
So, either we can take care of each other, or, it's exit, state right.

One employee spread Coronavirus to 40 residents. Employee at Illinois Nursing Home Infects 40 Patients with Coronavirus - At least 24 Dead

 

[Sundog]

The administration keeps up pressure on China regarding true information on pandemic

Pompeo hits back after China claims US is lying about COVID-19: 'Classic communist disinformation'

 

[MimosaMornings]

For 6 weeks UK Grandparents have been toldcthet cannot see their grandkids. Now the Swiss head of infectious diseases says it's ok for Grandkids to hug grandparents so someone is touting the wrong info. Someone has got it wrong. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just posting what is being stated today. You say it's too early to say. Well it's not according to the Swiss apparently.

It wasn’t just the grandchildren- it was their parents also. They were in school and daycare. Parents in/out of those places, in close contact with care providers, touching surfaces. Also work environments. Factor in sports with parents coaching.

Various ways of exposure that could possibly transmit to the grandparents.

If the parents and children have been self isolating like the grandparents- then I understand the interpretation is now they can interact.
JMO

 

[tresir2012]

Yet, those children apparently did not have Kawasaki's prior to CoVid- just like the children at the Children's Hospital in Washington, D.C. It's Kawasaki-like symptoms (which of course involve inflammation of veins, just like CoVid). I think it's clear that CoVid challenges the immune system in children and expands the susceptibility to Kawasaki's.

Kawasaki's is probably an auto-immune disease and now the symptoms are expanding beyond the usual age group (under 5) according to UK data.

I think the NHS statement has it backwards, but that's not surprising - the NHS is in the heat of an almost impossible situation, with one of the highest per capita mortality rates from CoVid in the world. And still rising in UK. Scotland has about 1500 deaths, with a population of only 5.4 million (and still rising in linear fashion).

AFAIK, the NHS has nothing in pre-print status to support their statement.

The Guardian quoting an NHS source yesterday said they did have Kawasaki disease, which is what I posted from the link. You need to argue with the Guardian, I am just quoting their article. "Most of the children affected have.....etc" not most of the children got it afterwards.

"Most of the children affected have Kawasakidisease, a rare vascular condition that is the main cause of acquired heart disease in under-18s in the UK. There are estimated to be 4.5 cases for every 100,000 children under the age of 18 in the UK. “These cases happen when someone with Kawasaki disease gets Covid-19 and that produces complications,” said one NHS source."

 

[CoverMeCagney]

For 6 weeks UK Grandparents have been told that they cannot see their grandkids. Now the Swiss head of infectious diseases says it's ok for Grandkids to hug grandparents so someone is touting the wrong info. Someone has got it wrong. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just posting what is being stated today. You say it's too early to say. Well it's not according to the Swiss apparently.

We will be seeing grandparents in the interim period between lockdown ending and the kids going back to school. They are all over an hour away so there's been no popping in with shopping or waving through windows or anything.

We think once the children go back to school (and I've got 1st June fixed in my little head!) the "safe and healthy" element is reduced, so we will go up soon on a sunny day with a picnic and sit in their gardens for an hour or two.

 

[tresir2012]

It wasn’t just the grandchildren- it was their parents also. They were in school and daycare. Parents in/out of those places, in close contact with care providers, touching surfaces. Also work environments. Factor in sports with parents coaching.

Various ways of exposure that could possibly transmit to the grandparents.

If the parents and children have been self isolating like the grandparents- then I understand the interpretation is now they can interact.
JMO

The article was only discussing grandchildren. I think parents could still transmit. Here's the Sky version of it.

Coronavirus: Swiss children under 10 allowed to hug grandparents as they 'do not transmit COVID-19'

 

[jjenny]

As far as I am concerned, it might be a strong desire to send kiddies back to schools more than actual facts that are driving some people to make statements about children not getting sick or not being infectious.
If you don't open up schools and daycares, that would prevent a lot of adults from working. But evidence clearly shows children can get infected, some can get very sick, in rare cases children can die, and if they can get the disease, I fail to see why they wouldn't be able to transmit it to others.

 

[jjenny]

Regarding Kawasaki disease, it sounds like we are debating what came before, the chicken or the egg. With some trying to claim that children with Kawasaki disease are the ones who can get very sick from covid, and the others believing that covid caused Kawasaki like disease in children, and these children didn't have it prior to being infected with covid.

 

[tresir2012]

We will be seeing grandparents in the interim period between lockdown ending and the kids going back to school. They are all over an hour away so there's been no popping in with shopping or waving through windows or anything.

We think once the children go back to school (and I've got 1st June fixed in my little head!) the "safe and healthy" element is reduced, so we will go up soon on a sunny day with a picnic and sit in their gardens for an hour or two.

I am just hoping that 7th May brings a bit of relaxing of the rules. We have not seen our family for a couple of months as they all live quite a distance so none of us can travel as it is non essential.

 

[LadyL]

oh no!

The Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto has declared a COVID-19 outbreak.

Toronto's SickKids Hospital declares COVID-19 outbreak

 

[tresir2012]

Regarding Kawasaki disease, it sounds like we are debating what came before, the chicken or the egg. With some trying to claim that children with Kawasaki disease are the ones who can get very sick from covid, and the others believing that covid caused Kawasaki like disease in children, and these children didn't have it prior to being infected with covid.

I am not trying to claim anything but just quoting NHS/Guardian. There may well be instances of both scenarios but the cases will be confidential anyway so I would not expect any more detail unless it comes from the families themselves.

 

[10ofRods]

For 6 weeks UK Grandparents have been told that they cannot see their grandkids. Now the Swiss head of infectious diseases says it's ok for Grandkids to hug grandparents so someone is touting the wrong info. Someone has got it wrong. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just posting what is being stated today. You say it's too early to say. Well it's not according to the Swiss apparently.

I think the reasons for that decision are quite different than what you think they are, but we can agree to disagree. It has little to nothing to do with whether children are contagious.

We're easing the same restriction here where I live, but advising common sense. For good epidemiological reasons (and with kids still out of school just as in Switzerland). Switzerland not only flattened the curve, they have a low per case mortality rate at this point, and they have a low rate of new cases per day. They also have extensive contact tracing (which we don't, yet, where I live). Schools will be opening and that may change people's common sense views.

 

[10ofRods]

I am not trying to claim anything but just quoting NHS/Guardian. There may well be instances of both scenarios but the cases will be confidential anyway so I would not expect any more detail unless it comes from the families themselves.

I'd expect it to come from medical researchers and for it to have quite a bit of detail when it's published. The cases will be anonymous, obviously.

 

[10ofRods]

Regarding Kawasaki disease, it sounds like we are debating what came before, the chicken or the egg. With some trying to claim that children with Kawasaki disease are the ones who can get very sick from covid, and the others believing that covid caused Kawasaki like disease in children, and these children didn't have it prior to being infected with covid.

Kawasaki is a syndrome (a set of symptoms) and not a type of disease like CoVid. IOW, it has multiple theorized causes, and probably involves genes. It is very concerning that CoVid is activating the syndrome in children. Kawasaki's is very rare, its incidence is pretty well known, and a sudden bump-up that's only in kids with CoVid and who are of a different age than the typical Kawasaki's pool?

Well, that all says a lot. Since we know CV19 attacks epithelial cells (and so does Kawasaki's), then it's highly likely that CoVid, in hijacking cells the way all viruses do, is turning on a pre-existing genetic switch. Interestingly, RNA plays a huge role in suppressing genetic expression that's negative for the human, in ways not fully understood. CoVid is RNA-based.

It runs into the cells and messes with those RNA-signaled switches and dials. We are all tired of hearing about how awful CoVid is, but it may take some twists and turns that are very unfavorable to humans before all of this is over.

Good news is that some places are getting a handle on local suppression, making it possible for many of us to think about living life a bit more normally. With a mask on, of course.

 

[Sundog]

Meat shortage in Canada, as well, with U.S. receiving 74% of Canadian beef exports.

These are the meat plants in Canada affected by the coronavirus outbreak

 

[10ofRods]

The "Swiss guy's" name is Dr. Koch and he cannot cite any published research to support his views. The Health Secretary of Switzerland says that "vulnerable people" must continue to protect themselves - and he does not seem to agree with Dr. Koch.

I respect Dr. Koch as a clinician, but the research on what's going on with kids under 10 in the US seems to tell a different story. For each year that a child is in school, their antibodies to other CV viruses go up. Children under 5 seem to be more vulnerable to symptoms than school age children.

What's going on with kids in UK is very concerning and personally, I want to see more exploration of that data before saying much more about kids. BTW, I do hug my youngest granddaughter (who is socially isolated except for her parents, both of whom have little to no contact with others at their work right now). I know it's a risk, but since she isn't in school, I don't think it's a big risk.

But it is a risk.

And here's the paper I couldn't find earlier:

COVID-19 less severe in children than adults: study

Yvonne Maldonado is one of our nation's top experts in pediatric infectious disease.

 

[mickey2942]

I'd expect it to come from medical researchers and for it to have quite a bit of detail when it's published. The cases will be anonymous, obviously.

The problem is with small sample studies, how to actually generalize those findings to the larger population can be hit and miss.

Hit or miss, and re-start a pandemic. Pretty big stakes.

 

[Inthedetails]

Oh, i understand what your MIL is going through.. I had full time care of my husband before he passed a year ago, but at least I had friends over, and about 10 hours a week for aides to come to the house so I could do errands and get together with friends for a break now and then. I often think how hard it would be now... I feel for her..wish you could give her a hug for me! These eldercare workers are also so dreadfully underpaid. They are front line workers too. I just hope this does not get swept under the big bad rug when we are doing better with this dreadful situation. I think all care centers are going to have to incorporate "private sterile wards" into their overall architectural plan..

Thank you so much - means a lot. My MIL is a gem and I love her like my own mother.
jmo