Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #53

[Bravo]

Other OTC meds have some blood thinning aspects - ask your doctor. Fish oil, vitamin E are pretty good. NSAID's have their own anti-coagulant effects, though not as strong as aspirin.

Appreciate the info but I'm allergic to all Nsaids as well. And codeine once prescribed. So whatever proven treatment comes down the pike I hope it's something I can take. Praying a vaccine comes along. As we all are.

 

[tresir2012]

Appreciate the info but I'm allergic to all Nsaids as well. And codeine once prescribed. So whatever proven treatment comes down the pike I hope it's something I can take. Praying a vaccine comes along. As we all are.

Me too. Can't take either aspirin or NSAIDS due to health reasons.

 

[cody22]

Gov. Brown extends state of emergency until July 6

New Oregon Virus News....moo

 

[Lilibet]

Gov. Brown extends state of emergency until July 6

New Oregon Virus News....moo

From the link about extending the state of emergency in Oregon to July 6 (it was set to run out May 7)...

The state of emergency order allows the Oregon Health Authority and the Office of Emergency Management more authority to respond to the crisis. It also allows state agencies to waive rules or adopt temporary ones.

 

[tresir2012]

Sure - peaking (which is clearly not exactly a statistical concept at this point), use that. But don't compare two nations with different populations as to how they're handling things.

And by the way, it would still be interesting to hear your explanation of why Sweden is having such a different course. Let's allow that lots of people from Copenhagen are going in and out of Sweden (which is unlikely, but since you think the bridge is a connection, then....why is Denmark so much better off in terms of per capita deaths than Sweden? Same weather, same food, same demographics, Denmark is even closer to UK and Italy and has regular contact via fishing with UK and Belgium, so you'd think Denmark would be importing COVid from elsewhere).

Sweden is a step further away. I seriously doubt anyone from Denmark is happy to go to Sweden right now (essential workers are hopefully using protection). But why is Sweden's situation so much worse off - right now?

Who is transmitting it? Surely not Danes coming into Sweden (although...Denmark may become concerned about Swedes coming to Denmark, as Canada rightfully did with Americans - and as some states have done with quarantining New York, New Jersey and Florida).

I don't think Sweden is "worse off". As has been explained demographics are everything. You can't just look at deaths per million without considering the density or the concentration. Have to look at it in the round. It is like looking at Wales v England. Vastly different but many connections via sport, work, family, friends, education, vacations, etc.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Coronavirus: Boris Johnson says 'arrangements' were being made in case he died

The PM reveals he was "in denial" about how serious his diagnosis was and admits he "really didn't want to go into hospital".

Boris Johnson says his health deteriorated so badly after contracting coronavirus that a strategy was drawn up in case he died.

In an interview with The Sun On Sunday, the prime minister revealed he was given "litres and litres of oxygen" after going into intensive care with COVID-19 on 7 April.


Mr Johnson said: "It was a tough old moment, I won't deny it. They had a strategy to deal with a 'death of Stalin'-type scenario.

"I was not in particularly brilliant shape and I was aware there were contingency plans in place.

"The doctors had all sorts of arrangements for what to do if things went badly wrong.

"They gave me a face mask so I got litres and litres of oxygen and for a long time I had that and the little nose jobbie."

The interview comes after his partner Carrie Symonds shared a picture of their new son, who they have named Wilfred Lawrie Nicholas Johnson - with the name Nicholas chosen in a nod to the two doctors who saved the prime minister's life.

 

[pocketaccent]

(There's a helpful video in the link. I don't know how to post that)

Video: What to expect during a drive-thru COVID-19 test in L.A.

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After driving up and waiting their turn inside their vehicle, the test taker will have to confirm their identity with personnel before receiving a bag containing a swab.

The test taker must cough into their mask three to five times to bring up secretions from their lungs. They then must take the swab and rub it inside their mouth: on the left cheek, right cheek and the roof of the mouth, near the throat, for 10 seconds each.
The swab then needs to be carefully placed, swab head first, into the liquid-filled tube provided in the kit. The test taker must screw the top of the tube back on and shake it to mix the sample with the fluid before putting it back in the bag.

Personnel can then retrieve the kit from the test taker.
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[tresir2012]

Not by land. Yes, there's a bridge - it goes over water. It has been shut. It's really easy to shut a bridge or a highway.

Land borders are very different and when we say "contiguous" in geography, we are referring to land borders.

There's also a tunnel between Denmark and Sweden (also closed). There's a tunnel between UK and France but they are not "connected" or "contiguous."

Land crossings and boundaries are a risk and make CoVid issues harder (some states and nations have little ability to close all their land borders - NI vs Ireland is one of those situations, there are many, many others).

I'll use the word "contiguous" in future. Nations are "connected" by airplanes as well, but that's not what I meant.

Have you got a link for the closures and when that happened? Freight has still been going thru the Chunnel and passengers AFAIK but I am not sure about the Oresund.

ETA found one re the Oresund.

Coronavirus crisis impacts Q1 – bridge traffic declined 69 per cent in weeks 12-13

 

[MimosaMornings]

How sad, her husband had it and died two days before she did. Both of them should have been receiving SS and Medicare.
I’ve read several stories of families losing both parents to this horrific virus.


Coronavirus Kills 72-Year-Old Aurora Woman Who Worked As Walmart Cashier

 

[tmar]

US coronavirus death toll passes 65,000 with devastating figures in care homes

Oliver O'Connell
40 mins ago
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The total number of US deaths from the coronavirus pandemic has exceeded 65,000 people as of Saturday morning, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Available data now puts the estimated figure at 66,524 deaths with 1,148,853 confirmed cases of Covid-19.

The grim milestone was reached as an increasing number of reports revealed an unfolding tragedy in senior care facilities across the country.

In New York, a nursing home reported that 98 residents are believed to have died from the coronavirus.
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[Sillybilly]

Bumping my own post for those who missed it:

Folks, while we are allowing the MSM links to articles about the various protests, they are allowed basically for information purposes only. They are just to give members a newsworthy perspective about what is going on but the overall subject is not open to discussion.

Bickering or debate about the protests, the constitution, civil rights, who's right or wrong, or whose side anyone is on will go absolutely nowhere, nor will the issues be resolved at Websleuths.

 

[MimosaMornings]

"This ain't the time to follow rules": Texas A&M wants to run human coronavirus tests in its animal labs

“A&M says it has a lab in College Station that could run as many as 1,800 tests per day; one in Amarillo that could do 1,000; and labs in Center and Gonzalez that could run 300 tests each. The labs have high capacities because they often have to test entire herds or flocks. The labs perform around 900,000 tests annually, 64,000 of which are done with the same “polymerase chain reaction” used to test humans for the coronavirus, system officials said.

For more than a month, A&M System officials have gone back and forth with the federal agency over fully scaling up its veterinary labs for human coronavirus testing. While the supplies to run the human tests are different than those used for animals, the equipment and the testing process are the same, said Bruce Akey, director of the Texas A&M Veterinary Medical Diagnostic Laboratory.”

 

[cass523]

Has it been recommended to take an aspirin daily by any doctors? I know some heart attack or stroke patients were recommended to do this at one time.

Thought I had better give a link as I am no doctor.

Should you take a daily aspirin for your heart?

He did not say to take an aspirin, or any like medication. He only said to not start taking anticoagulants on your own without consulting a doctor and if one has to go to the hospital they know what drugs and dosage to use.

 

[tmar]

Orangutans among thousands of animals at risk of starvation in Indonesian zoos under coronavirus lockdown, officials warn

5 hrs ago
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© Provided by ABC Health Indonesia's orangutans are critically endangered due to habitat destruction and illegal hunting. (ABC News: Adam Harvey)
Some 70,000 animals across Indonesia are at risk of starvation as zoos struggle financially due to social distancing restrictions amid the coronavirus pandemic.

A survey released by the Indonesian Zoo Association concluded that 92 per cent of its member zoos on the islands of Java, Bali, Sumatra, Lombok and Borneo had only enough supplies to feed their animals until mid-May.

Some 60 animal parks across the archipelago attract around 50 million visitors each year but, with most of them closed since mid-March, the body warned that thousands of animals are at risk, including endangered Sumatran tigers and Bornean orangutans.
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"Not all zoos receive money from the government. Some are privately owned and rely on the revenue from ticket sales," said Indonesian Zoo Association spokesman Sulhan Syafi'i, as quoted by the Jakarta Post.

 

[10ofRods]

Hi @10ofRods do you have a source re acute patients not receiving the care they need? I havent read this myself in UK news. I am aware that the emergency Nightingale facility in London has barely been used. Also another emergency facility at Stoke Mandeville hospital, at the paralympic stadium, has not been used. Another in the north of England has also not needed to open. Message here is that (aside from PPE debacles) the NHS is coping very well and the measures taken to ensure we protected the NHS were successful for this reason.

I havent seen anything in the news about people not having access to ventilators if needed.

In the UK, our population density combined with our being such a major transport hub have a bearing IMO. We have remote areas, which are also geographically large, such as Scottish highlands and islands, but compared to a lot of countries we are probably packed close together. Also, we have a very multicultural population and sadly the proportion of BAME deaths is not in line with general percentage of the population. Heathrow is one of the busiest airports in the world (7th or thereabouts). In short, a whole lot of people in not a whole lot of space, many of whom seem to be higher risk for reasons as yet not fully understood.

The R number being less than one is seen as very positive here and we are glad to know that we have apparently passed peak. Lockdown remains in place and is overall well observed or enforced by police. Forthcoming weeks are crucial we know and we are watching and waiting for the government to make good decisions (whatever they may be! Rather them than me).

Actual numbers of deaths will remain horribly high due to nature taking its course unfortunately and it is inevitable that new cases will keep coming in from care homes.

Furlough is available to the end of June, which means that companies such as mine can be sure our people will be paid at least 80% up until then. So that clock is ticking in the background, although it was extended once already.

I think what I'm saying is that the general mood here right now is one of cautious optimism, at least amongst my work, friend and family circles. The anxiety is trusting people to follow guidelines when lockdown begins to rise and of course the autumn/winter for which I will definitely be preparing for a second phase.

All JMO of course.

I'm just going by the BBC article:

What are ventilators and how do they work?

Plus the more recent news that some of the ventilators obtained to get up to 10,000 are unusuable:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ilators-could-kill-if-used-hospitals-n1194046

Fortunately, the idea that ventilators aren't the best course of action is starting to be incorporated into the UK standard of care:

Only half of UK's sickest coronavirus patients put on ventilators

From March 31 to May 1, UK didn't have enough ICU beds:

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Those are needed for less invasive ventilation methods.

However, if the current quarantine methods continue, those shortages are now over and hopefully, rate of deaths should fall per day (the fact that patients who should have been in those ICU beds a week ago, were not, is working its way through the system, as it has done in Italy, Spain, New York and New Jersey). So things should get better.

 

[pocketaccent]

NorCal city official ousted over remarks suggesting that sick, old and homeless should be left to ‘meet their natural course’ amid pandemic
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NBC Bay Area reports there was a swift uproar after Turnage characterized people with weak immune systems as a drain on society.

He wrote on Facebook: “the World has been introduced to a new phrase Herd Immunity which is a good one. In my opinion we need to adapt a Herd Mentality. A herd gathers it ranks, it allows the sick, the old, the injured to meet its natural course in nature.”

As for homeless people, he added that the virus would “fix what is a significant burden on our society and resources that can be used.”
...

 

[cody22]

Newport Beach votes to support legal action filed by other O.C. cities after state-ordered closure of county’s beaches

California Virus News....moo

 

[weepingangel]

How these essential workers feel about the risks they face


Video at link

Across the country, essential workers are maintaining goods and services, despite the risks posed by the pandemic. Grocery store employees, bus drivers and sanitation workers are in close contact with the public, and many say they don't have what they need to stay safe. As some workers walk out to demand better conditions, others remain on the job -- and worry. Here are four of their stories.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I'm just going by the BBC article:

What are ventilators and how do they work?

Plus the more recent news that some of the ventilators obtained to get up to 10,000 are unusuable:

The U.K. bought 250 ventilators from China. Doctors warn they could kill.

Fortunately, the idea that ventilators aren't the best course of action is starting to be incorporated into the UK standard of care:

Only half of UK's sickest coronavirus patients put on ventilators

From March 31 to May 1, UK didn't have enough ICU beds:

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Those are needed for less invasive ventilation methods.

However, if the current quarantine methods continue, those shortages are now over and hopefully, rate of deaths should fall per day (the fact that patients who should have been in those ICU beds a week ago, were not, is working its way through the system, as it has done in Italy, Spain, New York and New Jersey). So things should get better.

I've got you.

In the early days (all of just weeks ago) some of the projections were that we would have hundreds of thousands of deaths and there was a big panic to try and source more ventilators. But the orders were not all placed because they weren't required. Long may that continue.

The adverse effects of using ventilators is known here. I think it became more real still when Boris was in Intensive Care and not placed on one. Lots of media info at that point.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

NorCal city official ousted over remarks suggesting that sick, old and homeless should be left to ‘meet their natural course’ amid pandemic
...
NBC Bay Area reports there was a swift uproar after Turnage characterized people with weak immune systems as a drain on society.

He wrote on Facebook: “the World has been introduced to a new phrase Herd Immunity which is a good one. In my opinion we need to adapt a Herd Mentality. A herd gathers it ranks, it allows the sick, the old, the injured to meet its natural course in nature.”

As for homeless people, he added that the virus would “fix what is a significant burden on our society and resources that can be used.”
...

Nasty. Wonder if his mom saw that? JMO.