Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #56

[LadyL]

As States Rush to Reopen, Scientists Fear a Coronavirus Comeback

 

[cody22]

Virus Life Question - At what stage of Home Schooling do we send the school a letter asking for donations for raffles, cake sales, etc. ?........moo

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Something I don't understand about contact tracing:

I understand keeping people's identity private.

But how is the contact tracing happening? Is it all based on the ill person's memory, and perhaps that of their family, as to who they saw?

I've seen multiple reports saying "recent contacts have been notified" when a positive case is confirmed, but nothing, or very rarely, about situations where specific contacts cannot be determined -- let's say, a person used a specific gas pump or ATM machine or went into a specific store. I suppose cameras could ID other pump or ATM customers, but what about places without cameras? They never say "anyone who went through the McDonald's drive-thru on Thursday morning" and yet there are claims that all contacts have been notified. So either the patient is forgetting they used the drive-thru, or the tracers just don't think fellow drive-thru'ers are considered contacts?

Am I making any sense? I mean, I keep detailed notes of where I go each day, including who I am near. And in a tiny town I know most folks. But even so there are people who pass by me in the post office or hardware store I don't know. If I were sick, the only way to inform those people would be to make a public notice of appeal to everyone who was at X place at Y time. But I don't see that happening.

I think casual contacts wouldn’t be notified - like drive-thrus, somebody you passed briefly on the street or in a grocery store. At least that’s how it will work in Louisiana.

The state’s plan considers people who have been in close contact with someone if they are:

• Household members of the person who tested positive
• Intimate partners of the person who tested positive
• People who have provided care to you in the household or outside
• Anyone who has been in close contact – that is defined as someone who has been within six feet or closer for a time period greater than 15 minutes

Here's how Louisiana contact tracing would work under Edwards' plan

 

[cody22]

Coronavirus: Mexican jailed gang leader Escamilla dies

Mexico Virus News....moo

The case for monthly coronavirus stimulus checks: Americans ‘need consistent liquidity’


Possible Future Stimulus Virus News.................moo

California Coronavirus Update: Governor Gavin Newsom Calls For Additional $1 Trillion In Federal Aid

California Finance Virus News.....moo

 

[LadyL]

If they are given the go-ahead, the following eight ships will resume cruising: Carnival Dream, Carnival Freedom and Carnival Vista from Galveston; Carnival Horizon, Carnival Magic and Carnival Sensation from Miami; and Carnival Breeze and Carnival Elation from Port Canaveral.

“Please note that these select number of voyages are not guaranteed to operate as a variety of contingencies must be in place in advance of any potential sailing,” the spokesperson continued, noting that the August 1 date may be pushed back if they feel there are any risks.

All other North American Carnival cruises have been canceled through at least August 31, while the company continues to “engage experts, government officials and stakeholders on additional protocols and procedures" to keep guests and crew safe.

Currently, the CDC order is set to expire on July 24, if it is not extended.

Carnival Cruises May Set Sail as Early as August 1, While Norwegian Expects to Return ‘in 2020’

o.m.g.
no.just no.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

If I am "contact traced ", I ain't giving 'em nothing ......Make 'em earn their "Public Servants Sleuther " money......moo

Are you joking? If not, why on earth would you not share where you’ve been in order to save lives?

 

[otto]

Are you joking? If not, why on earth would you not share where you’ve been in order to save lives?

Some people don't mind giving the gov't that sort of information, but it seems that most do - thus the low numbers downloading the TraceTogether app.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

It seems this forum isn't moving as fast as previously. Does this mean some have left because they disagree or because they are among the counted cases?

I know that some people found the forum too depressing and felt like being inundated with constant news was adding to their anxiety. Some have just taken a break because of that.

 

[KALI]

As a free country. We are allowed choices.

I haven’t been to a public pool for years either. But is seems foolish, beyond foolish, to go to one now.

And even with 50% occupancy and extra sanitation precautions I am not interested in going to a restaurant.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Needs to be said over and over.

533 people? Where was that? I must have missed something, trying to catch up.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

It seems this forum isn't moving as fast as previously. Does this mean some have left because they disagree or because they are among the counted cases?

For myself, I'm spending my days in the garden now and doing other yard work. When I have time to go online, I can't even read all the posts (I skipped an entire thread recently, either #54 or #55, because I was so far behind) not to mention composing posts.

 

[10ofRods]

"Virused out" describes me perfectly. Been watching a lot of movies lately. Today I watched Air Force One and Guess who's coming to dinner. I have never been a couch potato until now.

Guess Who's Coming To Dinner is amazing! Thank you for reminding me of that one. On that basis alone, I'll watch Air Force One.

How times have changed.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Tomorrow will be interesting with Dr. Fauci testifying to the Senate via phone.

 

[10ofRods]

Tomorrow will be interesting with Dr. Fauci testifying to the Senate via phone.

I'm glad the President gave him permission to do so (apparently). It's unclear. Maybe this is Fauci's Swan Song. At any rate, that man has put his aging life on the line for all the rest of us, and he's a hero. I'd like to think I'd do the same, but I might want to wait another 10 years.

 

[KALI]

Heard all about this on kfi 640, Los Angeles radio.
Hundreds upon hundreds of inmates infecting themselves with the hope of being released with a Covit-19 diagnosis.
They are willing to become infected for a potential release from prison.
Los Angeles has already released 14,000.00 inmates into our communities. Stating their concerns that overcrowding could cause a Covit-19 outbreak.
So, that news got around the prisons.
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LASD believes inmates tried to contract COVID-19 at Castaic jail

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department suspects inmates at the North County Correctional Facility in Castaic tried to get infected with the coronavirus under the false belief that an outbreak will force the agency to make additional cuts on the jail population.
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The Sheriff’s Department showed video from the module, a common area that held about 50 inmates, at the news conference.

The footage showed inmates huddling close together. Villanueva explained they were drinking from the same cup of hot water, trying to elevate their temperatures while increasing their chances of contracting COVID-19. They were also passing around a mask to sniff, Villanueva said.

When asked about the cases linked to the incident, Villanueva said, “We had zero positives up until that spike, but that now, also, that has impacted our staffing as well.”

...

 

[10ofRods]

I think casual contacts wouldn’t be notified - like drive-thrus, somebody you passed briefly on the street or in a grocery store. At least that’s how it will work in Louisiana.

The state’s plan considers people who have been in close contact with someone if they are:

• Household members of the person who tested positive
• Intimate partners of the person who tested positive
• People who have provided care to you in the household or outside
• Anyone who has been in close contact – that is defined as someone who has been within six feet or closer for a time period greater than 15 minutes

Here's how Louisiana contact tracing would work under Edwards' plan

But that's not how it works in other places. The more places a CV+ person can remember, the better. In those nations/states where resources are put into that kind of contract tracing, the rate of CV can be contained quickly

There's one person (I can't remember where) who infected 533 others (some directly, some from the direct infection). ALL of those people (most of whom are asymptomatic) need to self-quarantine, as it's unknown how many people are passing it on cryptically.

Household members, for sure, right? And yet, hospitals do not even ask that information regularly or if the patient doesn't want to give it.

No hospital that I know of is asking CV+ patients for every sexual partner they've been with, nor have I ever been asked that in any in-hospital study I've been in. I suppose LA is asking people to think about this - but surely they aren't going to put people in jail/quarantine for failing to list their sexual partners.

The last one is of course a stab in the dark. If the patient can remember - great. Usually, patients can remember caregivers, IMO. But every person they've been in contact with, for 15 minutes or more? Wow.

When I first self-quarantined, I spent 21 days worrying about all these things. I have 300 students or so, I went to meetings, I got gas, I went to the grocery store. I couldn't even remember offhand which stores. I walked past a taco truck and had to wait for a light, so I was there for 4 minutes or so - yay? But I walked through the same group again later, another 3 minutes of waiting for the light to change? Was that enough to report?

And I'm a good observer. I take pictures a lot, too. But I can't remember who I might have talked to in the halls or the parking lot for that period. I do remember, on my last day, fist-bumping a dear friend who had lost access to chemotherapy, due to Co-Vid. There were others there - we were there for far more than 15 minutes, but I don't remember.

So...to get the information from me would probably take an hour or so, with me forgetting some of it. An hour per each contact.

We all got such a late start on this, I am desperately hoping each State will catch up. California has a mandatory notification of a patient's workplace, but so far, isn't investigating much further - we'll see how that goes.

I would really really appreciate if you update us about how this really goes down in Louisiana - and best of luck. The latitude of Louisiana and SoCal may, in the end, be what saves us.

 

[10ofRods]

Some people don't mind giving the gov't that sort of information, but it seems that most do - thus the low numbers downloading the TraceTogether app.

Yup. Most do not want to give that information up, for many reasons - I'd say the vast majority.

 

[10ofRods]

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Well, as someone who is being asked to write recos for contact tracers, I'd say that in SoCal, they're not at all the same as telemarketers

They're going to make way more, and if they don't have at least 60-80 college units, good luck to them in landing a plum of a job. Everyone else is making $15, for their $22 dollars, they're going to have to show some background in biology, anthropology, any lab science. Sociologists with Master's and Bachelor's are applying - and they'll work for $22 right now.

Not telemarketers. I'm actually gearing up to teach two (maybe more) large-ish labs focusing on contact tracing, because, well, that's what my profession does (trace networks, talk to people, use ethics in talking to them, provide data as to accuracy, etc). Bio majors are going to be in the line, but sociologists and anthropologists are the ones who study the methods and techniques of interviewing total strangers.

 

[pocketaccent]

Guess Who's Coming To Dinner is amazing! Thank you for reminding me of that one. On that basis alone, I'll watch Air Force One.

How times have changed.

Both are such Grreat movies. I forgot all about the virus problems while watching Air Force One. Very tense, emotional, and entertaining from beginning to end.

 

[10ofRods]

As a free country. We are allowed choices.

Agreed - and I think we should open up more in California. Let the medically fragile stay home (like me).

BUT, at the same time, parents of children in the public schools should not be made to send their kids if they have any medically fragile people in their larger networks. And there's no way of predicting when said parents could become, themselves, medically fragile - or the teachers or admins.

So where there's a choice (the beach, the gym, the pool, the restaurant) open up. But where there's no choice (the courthouse, the schools, the hospitals, the hospital parking lots, the sidewalks), mandate precautions (masks).

To me that's just common sense. And as someone who is at higher risk, I'm fine.

I should be able to go to a doctor's office - but if doctors want to have practices that exclude me, I'll find one that won't. I'll drive in my car. I do think it's a bit heartless, but hey - whatever.

As people age and CV is still around, of course, the practices will change. All of us moaning "elderly" will be dead and the 40 year olds will find that they are going to be 50 before they know it. Median age for CV in the US is what, 58? (Not talking deaths - talking hospitalizations).

Being sick enough to be hospitalized is not fun - and the curve rises in the late 40's and doesn't get any better. CV makes aging much worse.

But let the younger people go and have their fun (and maybe develop herd immunity or similar?)