Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #56

[Inthedetails]

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The overpayments to furloughed and unemployed people is absurd, I agree.

My youngest daughter has the same story as yours. She was a part time waitress and student, and is now making far more money and has no incentive to find a job. My wife worked 30 hrs a week and is making $600 a week extra by staying home.

The oldest daughter is working full-time from home and is not happy with this redistribution of wealth.

Politicians have lost their damn minds and we will pay for years for the unnecessary waste.

Anyone who feels overpaid could donate the money to a worthy cause - that's always an option. Plenty of charities, cultural institutions, etc. are hurting for money.

jmo

 

[The Night Watchman]

Ferrer: L.A. County likely to extend stay-home orders for another 3 months
The emergency orders are set to expire Friday May 15.

The emergency Safer-at-Home orders in Los Angeles County that have humbled the economy and pressed the pause button on daily life will “with all certainty” be extended for another three months, Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer told the county Board of Supervisors on Tuesday, May 12.

“There’s no way (to open earlier) unless there’s a dramatic change in this virus and the tools that we have on hand to actually fight against this virus,” Ferrer said.

That the health-officer order, set to expire on Friday, May 15, would be revised and extended was hardly a surprise, as officials have been outlining repeatedly a phased approach toward fully reopening the economy. That the order could last until August, however, had not yet been stated publicly.

...........Under a plan announced by Gov. Gavin Newsom counties would need to have zero deaths in two weeks and just one new case per 10,000 people, a standard that no county in Southern California was anywhere near meeting currently.

Ferrer: L.A. County likely to extend stay-home orders for another 3 months – Press Telegram

Absolute insanity.

The first riots will occur in California.

 

[firebird]

JAMA wouldn't post it if it wasn't true.

Outcomes of Children With COVID-19 Admitted to US and Canadian Pediatric Intensive Care Units

That study has nothing to do with the kawasaki-like disorder some are trying so hard to link to Covid. This is the conclusion of the Jama article:

"This early report describes the burden of COVID-19 infection in North American PICUs and confirms that severe illness in children is significant but far less frequent than in adults. Prehospital comorbidities appear to be an important factor in children. These preliminary observations provide an important platform for larger and more extensive studies of children with COVID-19 infection."

JMO

 

[pocketaccent]

CSU plans to cancel most in-person classes, go online this fall due to ongoing coronavirus concerns

The 23-campus California State University system plans to all but cancel in-person classes in the fall and instead will offer instruction primarily online, Chancellor Timothy White announced Tuesday.
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[10ofRods]

Absolute insanity.

The first riots will occur in California.

So weird. I think even Gavin is promoting a phased in reopening. Total quarantine for 3 more months? I agree it's craziness.

Gavin is letting some businesses reopen that now, it seems, the County Health people are going to shut down?

Open the beaches, shut half the parking, see how it goes. Newsom is on TV right now talking about opening offices of various kinds, with various modifications to the work environment. No mall openings, but curbside delivery is fine. Carwashes and so forth can open soon, but have to meet new state requirements.

L.A. is gonna take exception to all that? I know we've got high rates (but they're coming down, IIRC).

 

[cody22]

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Canada Rule Breakers Virus News....moo

 

[gngr~snap]

That study has nothing to do with the kawasaki-like disorder some are trying so hard to link to Covid. This is the conclusion of the Jama article:

"This early report describes the burden of COVID-19 infection in North American PICUs and confirms that severe illness in children is significant but far less frequent than in adults. Prehospital comorbidities appear to be an important factor in children. These preliminary observations provide an important platform for larger and more extensive studies of children with COVID-19 infection."

JMO

Many of the symptoms of this recently described syndrome resemble those of a rare childhood illness called Kawasaki disease.

Kawasaki disease itself is a clinical diagnosis; there is no single lab test that can detect it, and the cause is not known.

Rethinking Covid-19 in Children

 

[10ofRods]

Many of the symptoms of this recently described syndrome resemble those of a rare childhood illness called Kawasaki disease.

Kawasaki disease itself is a clinical diagnosis; there is no single lab test that can detect it, and the cause is not known.

Rethinking Covid-19 in Children

It's thought to be a genetic disorder. Our own RNA plays a role in suppressing "bad genes," although it is not perfect at this job. There are quite a few genetic disorders where a person has the gene for the disorder, but RNA turns the gene off or dials it down.

SARS-Covid-2 (which causes CV-19) is made of RNA. It hijacks cells in your immune system and attacks epithelial cells (which are also under attack in Kawasaki's, as I understand it).

There's a window in childhood when some genes turn on. Kawasaki's typically turns on, if it's going to, before age 5. Now, kids with CV-19 are developing it after age 5. I think CV-19's RNA goes in and messes with that switch (and is doing a lot of that, not just in kids' bodies, but adults too). I think most of these serious Kawasaki-like cases are in kids older than 5-6, but I'm guessing some of the very ill small children may have a similar problem.

Citation on possible genetics of Kawasaki:

Kawasaki Disease in Families

Children who have had Kawasaki Syndrome have serious lifelong consequences:

http://www.onlinejacc.org/content/28/1/253.abstract

 

[firebird]

Many of the symptoms of this recently described syndrome resemble those of a rare childhood illness called Kawasaki disease.

Kawasaki disease itself is a clinical diagnosis; there is no single lab test that can detect it, and the cause is not known.

Rethinking Covid-19 in Children

Yes, I know. I posted the same a couple of days ago. Which makes it very convenient to try to link the symptoms to Covid. jmo

 

[10ofRods]

Another article on CoVid in kids:

Outcomes of Children With COVID-19 Admitted to US and Canadian Pediatric Intensive Care Units

Sorry if that's a repost, but it does give a good overview, now that there are enough cases to study. Children remain on a much healthier trajectory than over 40's do, but children are not immune to CoVid.

 

[FrostOwl]

I was wondering the same. I think this virus sweeps through very vulnerable population - probably 50% of early deaths are very elderly. I can't recall the age exactly, but the median age was something like 78 in the first part of their pandemic. Well, I'd say one factor is most of the people in Sweden who are in their 90's or older are dead, along with a good number of the 80's and of course, some people in their 60's and 70's too. There are only so many of those people.

Another factor is that regardless of what the government has done or said, actual Swedes themselves are pulling back from social interaction as they can see how bad this virus is. Many of the early deaths were in Sweden's immigrant community, and those people have reacted with alarm and are self-quarantining.

Sweden seems to be a very healthy nation, so it's possibly the asymptomatic people are in higher numbers. Not sure how much antibody testing they've done - it would be interesting to see the data.

On forums for Swedish people (like on reddit), it's clear that tons of people are avoiding travel to their own hotspots (Stockholm, other big cities), avoiding crowded indoor spaces, etc.

That's all I can think of.

Sweden: coronavirus deaths by age groups 2020 | Statista

Here is a link to the ages of the 3,313 deaths in Sweden. Only 401 of 3,313 were under 70.

Thought you may be interested. Only 1 child has died.

Number of coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths in Sweden in 2020, by age groups(as of May 12, 2020)

Number of cases
9 years and younger 1
20-29 years 7
30-39 years 13
40-49 years 32
50-59 years 105
60-69 years 243
70-79 years 746
80-90 years 1,354
90 years and older 812

To claim that most/many people in Sweden who are over 80+ and 90+ are dead from the corona virus is not true, yes, many have died but it haven't in any way wiped out the older elders.
Out of 436,679 between 80 an 89 years of age 1,354 have died, making it 0,0031 percent.
Of those who are 90+, 812 out of 99,627 have died, making it 0,0081 percent.
The numbers of people are from the Swedish statistics agency for 2019, Sveriges befolkningspyramid
So yes, those who are the oldest have been hardest hit, but don't paint the numbers blacker than they are. To imply that most of those who are over 90 in Sweden are dead, for that to be true, the number of Covid-19 deaths in Sweden would have to be close to a third of the total number of the deaths in the entire world today (291,809) for just those over 90 years of age to be dead.

P.S. The social distancing and that people have been more strict in follow basic hygiene routines have made that the number of cases (and deaths) of the flu, as well as the RS-virus among children, dropped earlier than other years, a fact that was mentioned in the daily report about the Covid-19 today.

 

[CeeCeeCat]

I absolutely love a man that can calmly, rationally voice his expert opinion while admitting he doesn't know everything. Love it

You took the words right out of my mouth. He speaks with such authority - there is a quality about him, a ‘stillness’, perhaps? - that makes me want to listen to every word.

 

[firebird]

Another article on CoVid in kids:

Outcomes of Children With COVID-19 Admitted to US and Canadian Pediatric Intensive Care Units

Sorry if that's a repost, but it does give a good overview, now that there are enough cases to study. Children remain on a much healthier trajectory than over 40's do, but children are not immune to CoVid.

I don't think anyone's said they're immune. Since they're not getting really sick for the most part, whether they have the virus is mostly relevant for spreading it to those who are more vulnerable. What I'm talking about in my last few posts is the obvious recent attempt to link Covid to serious illness in otherwise healthy children due to some "kawasaki-like" symptoms reported mostly in NYC. All jmo

 

[kkdj]

Absolute insanity.

The first riots will occur in California.

We can't keep doing this!

 

[Inthedetails]

Absolute insanity.

The first riots will occur in California.

Not sure what good riots would do and I hope we don't have civil unrest.

What would calm people down would be clear communication about a plan. TELL US what is in store. Seems like we are all on our own, piecing together bits of information from here and there - much of which either disappears or turns out not to be true.

A clear communication plan (with some exceptions) about the virus is painfully lacking. We've been handed opportunity after opportunity to use this crisis to pull together as a nation, to work on this as a patriotic project, to set an accomplishment to strive for together.

But, instead, we take a stand against each other....and the virus doesn't care.

The biggest disappointment in all this, to me, is the division in a time of crisis. Not an admirable trait, imo.

jmOPINION

 

[gngr~snap]

It's thought to be a genetic disorder. Our own RNA plays a role in suppressing "bad genes," although it is not perfect at this job. There are quite a few genetic disorders where a person has the gene for the disorder, but RNA turns the gene off or dials it down.

SARS-Covid-2 (which causes CV-19) is made of RNA. It hijacks cells in your immune system and attacks epithelial cells (which are also under attack in Kawasaki's, as I understand it).

There's a window in childhood when some genes turn on. Kawasaki's typically turns on, if it's going to, before age 5. Now, kids with CV-19 are developing it after age 5. I think CV-19's RNA goes in and messes with that switch (and is doing a lot of that, not just in kids' bodies, but adults too). I think most of these serious Kawasaki-like cases are in kids older than 5-6, but I'm guessing some of the very ill small children may have a similar problem.

Citation on possible genetics of Kawasaki:

Kawasaki Disease in Families

Children who have had Kawasaki Syndrome have serious lifelong consequences:

http://www.onlinejacc.org/content/28/1/253.abstract

I've seen antiphospholipid syndrome mentioned a one point too, but they may have decided that has nothing to do with it.
I remember when they thought Kawasaki from having the carpet cleaned!
Moo

 

[Inthedetails]

Any fellow Prince fans here?

"The Prince Estate, in partnership with YouTube, will host a three-day streaming event of 'Prince and the Revolution: Live,' the legendary concert filmed toward the end of the 'Purple Rain' tour in Syracuse, New York, on March 30, 1985.

The show will be available on Prince’s official YouTube Channel for three days only, beginning on Friday, May 14, and continuing through 11:59pm on Sunday, May 17. In collaboration with YouTube and Google, the streaming event will run in support of the COVID-19 Solidarity Response Fund for the World Health Organization (powered by UN Foundation and Swiss Philanthropy Foundation). Any viewer donations will include a matching component from Google (Google.org will match $2 for every $1 up to $5 million). Full details here.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/12/prince-live-1985-concert-to-stream-for-coronavirus-relief/

 

[LadyL]

Any fellow Prince fans here?

"The Prince Estate, in partnership with YouTube, will host a three-day streaming event of 'Prince and the Revolution: Live,' the legendary concert filmed toward the end of the 'Purple Rain' tour in Syracuse, New York, on March 30, 1985.

The show will be available on Prince’s official YouTube Channel for three days only, beginning on Friday, May 14, and continuing through 11:59pm on Sunday, May 17. In collaboration with YouTube and Google, the streaming event will run in support of the COVID-19 Solidarity Response Fund for the World Health Organization (powered by UN Foundation and Swiss Philanthropy Foundation). Any viewer donations will include a matching component from Google (Google.org will match $2 for every $1 up to $5 million). Full details here.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/12/prince-live-1985-concert-to-stream-for-coronavirus-relief/

nice but Friday is May 15th

 

[SA55]

I like that "second from the top one".... I may have to just turn Democrat...... Paaaarty !!!.......moo

Keep in mind, we'll pay for this later. We have too. Higher taxes? Food, essentials that we can't foresee may reach astronomical prices. I know this is stimulus money, meant to pay bills and stimulate the fragile economy but I wonder at what future cost. We're on a slippery slope, of trying to safely open up while keeping our economy from dropping further.

Personally, I know I've kept the economical forecast from being even more dismal as I've slowly stocked up on essentials to last during an unforeseeable future. The money I've spent in past few months is shocking to me, but it's money that would have been spent anyway (most likely) spread out over several months. At least that's what I keep rationalizing.

 

[Inthedetails]

nice but Friday is May 15th

I'm sure there is a way to alert the reporter of the article.

jmo