Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #56

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Great story of a wedding that had to take place at their home as a virtual wedding, although neighbors helped created a bouquet with flowers from their garden, and guests wore formal attire and toasted the couple virtually with champagne from home and father walked the bride down the aisle virtually in front of her home in April, due to COVID-19. Turns out to be more special and beautiful than the original planned wedding would have been. Heartwarming story, well written with great photos.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...mail&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_optimist
 
  • #522
I believe you're missing the reason for these clinical trials funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which is interested in inexpensive drugs that might be used to fight COVID-19. I have to disagree with your needle in a haystack opinion as explained below.

The trial in my post is aimed at finding out if chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin, singly or in combination, can prevent pneumonia and other serious complications in people who have the virus but aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized. We're talking about treating a majority population to arrest the lung inflammation or pneumonia caused by the virus and stop them from becoming inpatients.

Hydroxychloroquine is believed completely viable mechanistically as something that might work, and it’s a lot cheaper than Remdesivir, an antiviral medication recently approved for treating COVID-19.

Today, most of the evidence for the drugs’ effectiveness comes from laboratory studies showing inhibition of the virus and the trials. What is needed right now is an adequate number of people to enroll in the trials to know what the effectiveness is with confidence.

It's time to learn if these drugs are going to work — or not work — on Republicans and Democrats alike.

What about the pneumonia vaccination? Could that help protect those vulnerable to CV19? I have not heard much mentioned about that.
 
  • #523
I read this twice to make sure that I understood your message.
Personally, I completely disagree with your statement.
Most specifically, measuring Covit-19 by how well the hospital's patients are doing.
To me, that is impossible.
Their are good hospitals and there are very bad hospitals. Yes. Right here in the USA.
They are absolutely NOT ALL the same.
Because of this. We cannot assume that their numbers of dead are universal.
In my opinion, trying to figure out what is going on via reporting from hospitals is a waste of time.
Jmo.
I agree. Too many variables. I think the deaths per million and the breakdown by sex and age are the most helpful to look at. Yet even then the way nations and states are counting can be important. Some are counting all deaths where CV19 was present and some only counting if it is the cause of death. Some are also being counted only based on a doctors report, especially if the deceased died at home. Some care home death are included some are not. Some have delayed death reports, not from hospitals so exact comparisons will not be possible but it should give the general picture hopefully. MOO.
 
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Why don't they have access to running water?
In response, the Navajo Nation quickly instated the country’s most extensive lockdown orders, but inadequate infrastructure and lack of access to basic needs is intensifying the crisis. Homes without running water may only have a 50-gallon tank to siphon water out of, requiring careful use at a time when families can’t afford to ration water.

“We’re at the most southwestern portion of the Navajo Nation, and our needs are dire. We feel like we’re forgotten at times,” Barton said.

Dilkon is located 85 miles east of Flagstaff, Arizona, and spans almost 17 square miles. Those without running water spend hours hauling barrels of water, often on unpaved roads, forced to break social distancing guidelines to meet their daily water needs. It can also be very costly.

Navajo Tribal Utility Authority (NTUA) is the largest tribal multi-utility provider in the U.S. It operates 11 external watering stations for residents to haul water, charging $5 for up to 1,000 gallons. But for those who have to purchase water elsewhere or rely on bottled water, it can cost $1.50 a gallon. A study looking at water issues in Navajo Nation, funded in part by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, found Navajo households without running water paid 71 times the amount that water users in typical urban areas paid.
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George McGraw is the founder of DigDeep, a nonprofit focused on water access issues. He said the Navajo Nation isn’t alone: Over 2 million Americans across all 50 states don’t have any running water or a flush toilet at home, but Native Americans have trouble accessing water more than any other group.

The United States built one of the world’s most successful water and sanitation systems, with the New Deal expanding the development to include rural areas in the 1930s. Still, McGraw said that system was never designed to serve everybody. “If you were poor or a community of color, you were deliberately sidelined out of the infrastructural development built to serve the rest of the country.”

A study by DigDeep and US Water Alliance, “Closing the Water Access Gap in the United States,” identified race as the strongest predictor of access to running water as an American in 2020. It found African American and Latino households were nearly twice as likely to lack complete plumbing compared to white families, while Native American households were 19 times more likely. The study found race was a more significant factor than income and geography.
More at link:
Navajo Nation residents face coronavirus without running water - WCBI TV | Your News Leader
 
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In response, the Navajo Nation quickly instated the country’s most extensive lockdown orders, but inadequate infrastructure and lack of access to basic needs is intensifying the crisis. Homes without running water may only have a 50-gallon tank to siphon water out of, requiring careful use at a time when families can’t afford to ration water.

“We’re at the most southwestern portion of the Navajo Nation, and our needs are dire. We feel like we’re forgotten at times,” Barton said.

Dilkon is located 85 miles east of Flagstaff, Arizona, and spans almost 17 square miles. Those without running water spend hours hauling barrels of water, often on unpaved roads, forced to break social distancing guidelines to meet their daily water needs. It can also be very costly.

Navajo Tribal Utility Authority (NTUA) is the largest tribal multi-utility provider in the U.S. It operates 11 external watering stations for residents to haul water, charging $5 for up to 1,000 gallons. But for those who have to purchase water elsewhere or rely on bottled water, it can cost $1.50 a gallon. A study looking at water issues in Navajo Nation, funded in part by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, found Navajo households without running water paid 71 times the amount that water users in typical urban areas paid.
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George McGraw is the founder of DigDeep, a nonprofit focused on water access issues. He said the Navajo Nation isn’t alone: Over 2 million Americans across all 50 states don’t have any running water or a flush toilet at home, but Native Americans have trouble accessing water more than any other group.

The United States built one of the world’s most successful water and sanitation systems, with the New Deal expanding the development to include rural areas in the 1930s. Still, McGraw said that system was never designed to serve everybody. “If you were poor or a community of color, you were deliberately sidelined out of the infrastructural development built to serve the rest of the country.”

A study by DigDeep and US Water Alliance, “Closing the Water Access Gap in the United States,” identified race as the strongest predictor of access to running water as an American in 2020. It found African American and Latinx households were nearly twice as likely to lack complete plumbing compared to white families, while Native American households were 19 times more likely. The study found race was a more significant factor than income and geography.
More at link:
Navajo Nation residents face coronavirus without running water - WCBI TV | Your News Leader
Ok so why can't NTUA get some federal or state emergency funding because of this pandemic and lay some water pipes? Now is the time to do it as hand washing is a matter of life and death.
 
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Wouldn't that be mid August instead of July if it's an additional 3 months? Jmo
Under the current circumstances, probably not. Had we had federal leadership with the National Guard saying, "You're going to listen," I believe things would have evolved differently. Now, it's going to be difficult to backtrack, and, yes, I believe a second wave is coming.
 
  • #531
Why don't they have access to running water?
There are places in the US without running water. Yes. This is real.

"Plumbing poverty varies widely by geography. It “is neither spatially nor socially random in the United States,” Deitz and Meehan write. “Rather, plumbing incompleteness is spatially clustered in certain regions of the country.”

... it is highly concentrated in parts of Alaska, the Southwest, the Upper Midwest, and the Northeast, especially northern Maine and New Hampshire, and the Allegheny and Appalachian regions of Pennsylvania and West Virginia."
Where Americans Lack Running Water, Mapped - CityLab
 
  • #532
We probably can’t.

But no nation has demanded a total and complete lockdown. Except maybe China, in only Wuhan, every nation has at minimum stated that anything related to producing food and medicine and products people need can stay open. However, they have had to employ strict measures in order to ensure that things like meat packing plants and grocery stores, etc., remain as safe as possible to minimize infection.

The problem is we continue to have deep minimization, at various levels of government of this disease, a minimization that causes people and businesses not to employ measures necessary to stay safe.

And all of this delays reopening and continually sets us back.

For example, the CDC, a powerful agency, has historically mandated certain sanitation guidelines at places like meat packing places, when there’s been an outbreak of disease. But for some bizarre reason, today, the CDC is suddenly suggesting only “guidelines” that businesses “should employ IF feasible.”

That includes keeping six feet apart, wearing masks, disinfecting surfaces, temperature checks, etc.

Why?

Many countries are starting the process of opening back up but most of them employed strict measures and their citizens followed the guidelines for the most part and with little complaint. Not us.

Here we have people who screamed that the shutdown was a useless mistake and an impermissible violation of constitutional freedoms. Okay. I understand.

But then we have people also refusing to socially distance when in public, or at businesses, etc. They’re refusing not to gather. They argue that to mandate that takes away their freedom.

And then we have the mask rules. But now we have people who refuse to do even that. Even though it protects others, they won’t do it. They say it’s nazi-ish to force people to wear masks.

Finally, while people who are protesting all these things continually state that those who are “vulnerable” (I.e. everyone over 60, everyone with high blood pressure, cancer, cancer history, diabetes, asthma, COPD, cerebral palsy, paralysis, cystic fibrosis, obesity, heart issues, stroke, autoimmune system disorders, allergies, etc., etc.) should isolate and let everyone else go back to work, that’s really not what they mean. And it really won’t make a difference.

Because the reality is that 40% of Americans, per the CDC, have chronic conditions. Many of them will have to continue to isolate. That’s too high a chunk not to continue to impact the economy. And over 60% of Americans believe the shut down should continue as long as necessary. So while many will suddenly flood restaurants and other places that open, desperate to get out and desperate for things to return to normal, those people who will flood businesses at first, won’t be able to go out every day. The rest of the public will continue to stay home. And that’s a massive chunk that will devastate the economy. Because businesses rely on that 60%.

Most importantly, for those who believe we must get back to normal immediately in order to save the economy, they feel that the only way can help effectuate that is by denying the very real reality of this epidemic. And thus, paradoxically, they cut off their nose to spite their face, because the way that you deny it is by doing things like resisting masks, stating that masks are not important, resisting 6 foot rules, and becoming angry when people refuse to frequent businesses. And those things all cause the shut down to continue to be prolonged.

So we’ve got people who are defiantly refusing to follow any of the laws that would help us get back to work quickly. And as they become more desperate for things to get back to normal they’re going to chafe even more at basic rules and at PEOPLE who follow those rules.

That’s why we’ve already seen people shot, pushed into lakes, etc., for trying to get people to follow the basic rules. Myself I’ve seen glares and stares from people who seem offended if I’m wearing a mask or trying to get farther away from others in public. It’s offensive to them because it’s a reminder that this thing is real and that nothing is going to change as far as the economy and the threat to our health, for a long time.

We don’t see as much such desperation in other countries because people aren’t going to lose their homes, health insurance, jobs (for the most part) or face food insecurity, due to the shut downs and the pandemic in general. Our system is different, however. We don’t have the same safety nets in place. Well, at least not for anyone but those with a lot of money. Thus, while someone like me still can’t get a small business loan, Ruth Chris was rolling in it, and quickly.

That causes greater inability for us to withstand a lengthy shut down.

Shut downs aren’t supposed to last forever. They’re supposed to last long enough to flatten the curve (which we achieved in CA comparatively speaking), to the degree that new cases can be contained through aggressive testing, tracking and isolation. But as long as people feel insecure about the way this is being handled in our country, which leads to people who flout the rules, the more the rest of the population will refuse to frequent businesses as much once it does open up again. And like I said, I believe the latter will prolong the shut downs.
Many people distrust government. They don't even want contact tracing. The study showed that alone was 50/50. If government are too strict with the regulations, the public will ignore and flout it. They need the public to accept it for the restrictions to be able to be enforced. Like the mask rule for instance. And the social distancing. If there is mass disobedience then LE cannot police that. They will step in if there are arguments or violence but I cannot see them dragging someone off a train for not wearing a mask. There was a video of that happening and the guy was not arrested. Some offences are not criminal and only fines can be given. If there are thousands of fines and no one pays them then they will just get waived. So ultimately, if a measure does not have public support it fails in the end. Once the public see death and infection rates improving they will get stir crazy and want their lives back. Thus managing the 2nd wave becomes the aim.
 
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I am not even sure it has any benefits at all. It has dangerous cardiovascular side effects, antibiotic they are pairing it with also has cardiovascular side effects. It could very well be doing more harm then good.

I believe this is especially true for the elderly, many of whom have cardiac issues to begin with.
 
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  • #535
It's available until December 30th for free. So, if you have 5 hours during now till then, you are good to go! You can stop at any time and pick up later, and it's broken up into 4-25 minute modules. I read the transcript vs. watching the video to make it go faster. I had nothing better to do last night (nuthin on tv lol) so I just delved into it.

Thanks! I would probably prefer to read the transcripts too versus the videos.
 
  • #536
There are portable pools you can put in a backyard.
Thanks! I have a plastic small one on order (yah Amazon) but their sloping backyard won’t accommodate anything much bigger. I had a pool company go last week assess and provide an estimate for an above ground but would have to bring in dirt and remove two pines to make it level enough. I’m still exploring options.
 
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Under the current circumstances, probably not. Had we had federal leadership with the National Guard saying, "You're going to listen," I believe things would have evolved differently. Now, it's going to be difficult to backtrack, and, yes, I believe a second wave is coming.

So 3 months from May isn't August?
 
  • #538
SARS killed hundreds and then disappeared. Could this coronavirus die out?

Feb 2020
From the LA times:

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It was early 2003, the beginning of the battle against severe acute respiratory syndrome, more commonly known as SARS. The SARS outbreak was the first deadly epidemic caused by a coronavirus

“It was a tremendous concern,” said Alan Rowan, a public health professor at Florida State University involved in Florida’s response to the SARS outbreak. “It was a novel virus, and it was frightening.”

Much like the strain of coronavirus currently spreading across the world, the SARS virus prompted people to hoard face masks, cancel trips to Asia and institute massive quarantines amid fears that the disease would become entrenched.

But eight months after SARS began circulating, it was contained. The virus died out.

The stamping out of SARS has been lauded as one of the biggest recent public health victories, achieved with a strong and swift response and a dose of good luck.
Did they really stamp it out though? Hasn't it just morphed into Covid? If they don't know exactly where Covid came from maybe they are claiming victory too soon?
 
  • #539
Thanks! I would probably prefer to read the transcripts too versus the videos.

Ha, I am really trying to get back to RL and making more time for such vs. listening to EVERY.SINGLE. WHO, Cuomo, Trudeau live. Although I sometimes feel the need to do the live feeds as I HATE.HATE main stream interpretations vs. "going to digest the evidence" myself as I prefer to do with cases here on WS. It's sometimes 180 of how I would interpret.

Speaking of... WHO presser transcript is now up from yesterday to read in about 1/3 or less time to listen to lol

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...ess-conference-11may2020.pdf?sfvrsn=4f78bd0_0
 
  • #540
Indiana is allowing public pools to open May 24. The neighborhood HOAs in my area have announced that they will open that day.

MOO but I can’t imagine parents letting their kids go to public pools this month. Yikes.
 
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