Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #58

[Trino]

So, we can't get back to normal without a quality vaccine. I am not a medical guy, but aren't there plenty of diseases that kill many people, where we have no vaccine, but we live with the #s, living our normal lives? What is the difference between COVID and these other diseases? The high mortality rate?

Well, I would guess that is the #1 concern. It's equivent to 12 plane crashes per day. If we heard that on the news, we would be really, really concerned. Just sayin'...

 

[mickey2942]

And, people are acting like this is over. It is not.

Go to Las Vegas! Check in "Goody Bag" treats include: hand sanitizer, gloves, mask. Enjoy your vacation.
Casinos ready to open doors, tourists ready to return to Las Vegas

INMO, I don't think that tourists will be storming Vegas. No shows, no buffets, no poker, but have a great time.

 

[Simply Southern]

Ive told my saga here before about quitting hardware store , Ohio, in March because of age, caring for mom, lack of PPE etc. (no unemployment because this was “essential” work and I was not laid off. Apparently they kept me on as an employee but today received a “return to work or apply for leave” order.
Ohio is, understandably, forcing people to return to get the large percentage of population off unemployment. Fear of returning is not an excuse so I formally quit (although I thought I had already lol). And ofc will still not qualify for unemployment. My “medical and dental benefits will cease” HA! Never had those either being part time.

Can’t see returning. The majority of staff except for the 2 and only full time managers are kids with no hardware experience. Phone rings constantly with online/curbside orders that can’t be fulfilled since inventory is so messed up. The owners have “put into effect” sanitation procedures which there is no time to follow. Staff shares phones, computers. There are no windows to open, air filters haven’t been changed in at least 6 years.Carts aren’t wiped down, restrooms not cleaned. Only staff, not customers need to wear masks.
Some customers are happy about this, they can go about coughing and sneezing and handing the items to the cashier with their cash (awesome). Some customers have threatened to stage a protest outside that all people inside should wear masks.

I liked my little PT job and was good at it but the risks and workload and stress far out way the slightly above minimum wage reward. Oh well

I'm so sorry and sad you've lost your job. Many of us "older" adults loved our part times jobs and/or volunteering. We came from a generation of hard working parents, many of which lived during the depression and raise "us" with skills and values from that era. We bring these same skills, work ethic and values to our jobs and will be sorely missed by our employer's. Sadly, some jobs/employers just won't be able to provide/insure the protection we require.

Not being able to do volunteer work, leaves me at a loss. I lack ways to fill the hours in a day, miss the camaraderie, miss the feeling of self worth and accomplishment, that was in still since birth.

 

[Sundog]

Memorial Day meat prices fall despite coronavirus pandemic hitting production facilities

 

[CharlestonGal]

So, we can't get back to normal without a quality vaccine. I am not a medical guy, but aren't there plenty of diseases that kill many people, where we have no vaccine, but we live with the #s, living our normal lives? What is the difference between COVID and these other diseases? The high mortality rate?

Airborne contagion.

 

[Simply Southern]

What if you couldn't make the decision, if you were on a ventilator in a coma, for example?

Next of kin approval would be required. No next of kin??? Hospitals are required to have a medical review process, requiring approval from a team.

Not use if this is applicable in all countries or happened in the heat of the moment in life and death situations in overwhelmed ICUs, for a virus with NO known/proven therapeutics or treatment.

It's like bailing water, with a tea cup in a sinking ship in a hurricane, 1000s of miles away from land, in the ocean....

 

[Sundog]

Boston's Memorial Day flag garden tradition lives on despite pandemic

 

[CharlestonGal]

"The first COVID-19 vaccine to reach phase 1 clinical trial has been found to be safe, well-tolerated, and able to generate an immune response against SARS-CoV-2 in humans, according to new research published in The Lancet. The open-label trial in 108 healthy adults demonstrates promising results after 28 days -- the final results will be evaluated in six months. Further trials are needed to tell whether the immune response it elicits effectively protects against SARS-CoV-2 infection.

"These results represent an important milestone. The trial demonstrates that a single dose of the new adenovirus type 5 vectored COVID-19 (Ad5-nCoV) vaccine produces virus-specific antibodies and T cells in 14 days, making it a potential candidate for further investigation," says Professor Wei Chen from the Beijing Institute of Biotechnology in Beijing, China, who is responsible for the study. "However, these results should be interpreted cautiously. The challenges in the development of a COVD-19 vaccine are unprecedented, and the ability to trigger these immune responses does not necessarily indicate that the vaccine will protect humans from COVID-19. This result shows a promising vision for the development of COVID-19 vaccines, but we are still a long way from this vaccine being available to all."

First human trial of COVID-19 vaccine finds it is safe and induces rapid immune response

 

[MimosaMornings]

Got to love it when people tell you to “just retire early!”
How do you do that when you’re not old enough to draw SS and if you take it at 62 - that amount would pay my mortgage and that’s it.

 

[Simply Southern]

Bit this disease is killing and harming people of all ages just not at the same rate as elderly. May I suggest a read about Nick Cordero, actor, age 41, no underlying conditions, not overweight. Hospitalized since March, leg removed, strokes and seizures. He may not make it.

I think of the disease kinda like cancer. It can and does affect all ages, some treatments work for some and not others, even with the same conditions. Older adults tend to not tolerate treatments radiation/chemo, recovery is slower and with more complications.

Why does cancer strike s one and not another? The same can be said for Covid-19.

 

[jjenny]

Airborne contagion.

Yep. Many other diseases, such as HIV, you can take effective steps to avoid. Airborne disease-not so much.

 

[jjenny]

Dr. Birx is looking at the marvelous statistics from Georgia and Florida.

Those are very positive, I agree. LOL.

 

[firebird]

Bit this disease is killing and harming people of all ages just not at the same rate as elderly. May I suggest a read about Nick Cordero, actor, age 41, no underlying conditions, not overweight. Hospitalized since March, leg removed, strokes and seizures. He may not make it.

A lot of people, myself included, don’t assess risk based on anomalous anecdotes. Otherwise no one would ever do pretty much anything for fear they’d get hit by a meteorite, for example.

For the Only Person Ever Hit by a Meteorite, the Real Trouble Began Later | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine

 

[Sundog]

State employees in California are balking over taking two days of furloughs while businesses across the state go under ? They keep all their benefits - medical, pension, etc.
As revenues plummet, billions cut from California budget

 

[CharlestonGal]

Despicable.

"LONDON (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - A growing number of landlords are asking tenants for sex in exchange for housing as coronavirus lockdowns and job cuts have left many struggling to pay their rent, housing experts said.

A survey by the National Fair Housing Alliance (NFHA) of more than 100 fair housing groups combating discrimination across the United States found that 13% had seen an increase in sexual harassment complaints during the coronavirus pandemic.

“If I did not have sex with him, he was going to put me out,” one woman facing eviction by her property manager told the NFHA in an podcast on their website. “As a single mum, I had no choice. I didn’t want to lose my housing.”

'I had no choice': Sex for rent rises with coronavirus poverty

 

[CharlestonGal]

A lot of people, myself included, don’t assess risk based on anomalous anecdotes. Otherwise no one would ever do pretty much anything for fear they’d get hit by a meteorite, for example.

For the Only Person Ever Hit by a Meteorite, the Real Trouble Began Later | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine

When 5,348,158 (literally) people world-wide are hit by meteors and 340,935 die there might be a problem.

 

[firebird]

Chances of getting covid are still much higher than being struck by lighting. At least 1 % of population is likely infected. In some states, more. I don't think 1% of population has been struck by lightning.

The op was about the odds of deaths by covid in California (infinitesimal) not infections.

 

[Simply Southern]

I don't have a problem with elective procedures being done. If hospitals can keep covid patients from non covid patients.

Hospitals are in the business of treating infectious disease, mitigation, and containment.

I can not judge the entire US healthcare system by what happen in NYC. I'm not criticizing NYC, they were the front line of a massive outbreak, with few tools to work with. I commend NYC !!!! No know therapeutics, lack of PPE, ventilators, staffing. We learned a lot from NYC and HC systems have better working plans to mitigate surge. We have more "tools"...ventilators, PPE, shifting of staff, better ways to treat, heck, the military can now throw up a 1000 bed ICU hospital within days and staff it, if needed.

Times have changed since the first days of the NYC crisis. We've learned a lot, what to and not to do, pulled together as a nation, military, and healthcare system, and become more proficient in battling this virus.

Hopefully, you live in a state that is prepared for the future. I live in a very small rural town. I've already made my plan, should I become infected. I will travel to UVA hospital in Charlotesviloe, VA. They've been on the cutting edge, early developing Covid testing, participating in the first NIH Hydroxychloroquine study, I've been in their care before and have faith and confidence, this is where I would have the best chance of survival. I got a plan, as we all should, now is the time to make one if you don't.

Imo.

 

[firebird]

Well we did temporarily. Our hospital shut down elective procedures (killing our bottom line), added a tent outside, and I don't think they used much of the capacity.

Turns out, most places didnt need the extra capacity in the first place. Big surprise to me...not

 

[firebird]

When 5,348,158 (literally) people world-wide are hit by meteors and 340,935 die there might be a problem.

I’m not worldwide. I’m in Arizona. My risk of dying is practically nil, as It would be if I were in California or many other states.