Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #58

[Simply Southern]

Every time I hear the argument about people who would probably die anyway, or should just take their chances with the virus reminds me of Shirley Jackson's short story, The Lottery.

That is a must read !!!

 

[10ofRods]

Someone, posted the update ADA for Covid up thread. If you have a medical condition (on the CDC list) that puts you at risk it does have some protection.

Do you work in a job with risk of exposure (close to other employees, customers) that your employer won't or can't provide protection?

If so, there maybe, help under ADA.

Does your state have a retraining program or vocational rehab program? Sometimes retraining is covered especially due to medical conditions.

I know the Virginia Employment Commissioner has spoken at several of the recent pressers, to alert Virginia's they will soon have to start applying for jobs each week, lack of daycare will not be allowed once the school year ends, medical conditions will not be covered after 7/15 and if your employer recalls you and you don't return, unemployment will stop. The exclusions were for a short period of time, issued by the federal government and expire July 15th. Its frightening !!!

I wish the best for you !!! I'll keep racking my brain for any resources that might help.

For all people in this situation, don't forget your local colleges - community colleges and state colleges. Community colleges are super cheap and these days, the units all transfer to the state college level (well, you can't choose certain courses, but anything approved as vocational rehab should transfer).

Further, there's financial aid and certain kinds of health resources (sometimes including a modestly priced and featured health insurance for students).

Online classes would be a piece of cake for JJenny. In certain programs involving rehab (and in other circumstances), it's tuition-free in many states.

 

[Really?]

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This is the scene out of my window at the beach. Nonstop people walking by....no masks. I live close to the beach so they all pass by.

I’m staying in. Thankfully I have a very large yard/garden for a shore house.

 

[ilovewings]

Those businesses use a highly secured intranet. That's been true for decades.

JMO
COVID-19: Preparing for the ‘New Normal’ - Lexology

The states aren't doing enough to protect nursing home patients. Front line health workers at our hospitals have been self-quarantining from their own families when off-duty. Front line health workers at nursing homes have not done so and the catastrophic number of deaths in nursing homes has resulted.

Patient families are still not allowed to enter to visit. It is the nursing home workers who have not self-quarantined who bringing it in and spreading the virus. In Nebraska, an elderly nursing home patient two weeks ago called the news media and begged to be removed from the nursing home. The state has done nothing to intervene. She and 7 others have now died and the number is climbing. Meanwhile, staff is still free to come and go. It's a real travesty. The Washington Post wrote a scathing article about the corporate owner, Life Care Centers which also owned the Kirkland Washington Life Care Center.

JMO

Woman who warned of outbreak at Life Care Center dies of COVID-19 complications

that is horrible and so sad!

 

[TJtennispro]

Nope not at all what I said.

Are you presuming the only people who are infectious are the ones at risk of dying?

 

[Simply Southern]

Not everybody in the home is allowed to have access to a business' intranet. That is a good way to get fired. It is password protected and also monitored by security. My husband worked at his home office for 15 years. His company owned his computer, paid his fax/phone bills. None of the rest of us were allowed to use it. His computer also had a camera on it.

JMO

Thank you that is reassuring.

 

[tresir2012]

I don't know what dramatic decline Birx is talking about.
New cases spiking in southern Maine, raising concerns that COVID-19 is resurging
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article242947871.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...bc6d10-9ab4-11ea-a282-386f56d579e6_story.html

Maybe NY and NJ.

Still don't see any dramatic declines.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

I believe she was talking about cases and deaths. The graphic in the article showed the declining positive tests in the original link.

 

[Simply Southern]

How so when the Flu is more deadly to 2/3 of the US Population than Covid19? Are Covid 19 deaths the only meaningful deaths now? What about the 4,600 people that died due to Cuomo putting Covid patients in Nursing homes?

What about Cancer patients that died because they couldn’t have chemo?

The solution that’s going to happen is this: if you want to shelter in place until a vaccine is created then you can but the majority of people won’t do that because we don’t need too. I’m not going to come anywhere near you unless you leave your house so we won’t bother each other. I don’t understand why that’s so hard?

Classes will be in person and sports will be played this fall with fans. That’s what’s going to happen. Continue to shelter if you’re at risk and problem solved.

There is much truth in your statement. I don't like the new future, I'm gonna miss out on so much.

I worked years to retire, travel, have fun, now I'm at home, underlying health condition, watching the world go by.

Yes, us old folks want everyone to wear a mask so we can come out and work or play.

Yes, the world will go on for most, they will adapt, thrive and experience some set back, but the world will go on.

 

[firebird]

I've seen no mention of lifting the face mask and social distancing requirements this fall. Nor have I seen anything that suggests concessions and rest rooms will be open this fall at stadiums. Do you have a link? Thanks.

Some states don't have any such requirements, and never have. Others have them and mostly ignore them or treat them as suggestions. Afaik, ALL of the states' current orders end way before next fall. So they'd have to actually be extended to implement any such "requirements" past the next month or two. Otherwise, we're talking about CDC guidelines -- which no one is obligated to follow. jmo

 

[24Roses]

Iowa numbers today: Total COVID-19 cases at 16,767 as state data reporting pauses for weekend 360 new confirmed cases (IMO 359) and 26 more have passed away. We now have a total of 16,767 cases and 444 have passed away. 9,187 have recovered. I'm also including this article directly from Governor Reynolds beause it doesn't match what this article says, but IMO the KCRG article is accurate in increase in confirmed cases because of what was reported yesterday of 16,408 confirmed cases on KWWL. https://governor.iowa.gov/press-rel...n-iowa-state’s-coronavirus-website-undergoing
May 22: Iowa reports 18 additional COVID-19 deaths, 454 more cases (WATCH Gov. Reynolds)

 

[The Night Watchman]

80,000 flu deaths in 2018. 948.678 people have died in America this year. Why don’t the other 800K get a nightly count?

How so when the Flu is more deadly to 2/3 of the US Population than Covid19? Are Covid 19 deaths the only meaningful deaths now? What about the 4,600 people that died due to Cuomo putting Covid patients in Nursing homes?

What about Cancer patients that died because they couldn’t have chemo?

The solution that’s going to happen is this: if you want to shelter in place until a vaccine is created then you can but the majority of people won’t do that because we don’t need too. I’m not going to come anywhere near you unless you leave your house so we won’t bother each other. I don’t understand why that’s so hard?

Classes will be in person and sports will be played this fall with fans. That’s what’s going to happen. Continue to shelter if you’re at risk and problem solved.

I may have misinterpreted what you said, or maybe it was a typo with your 800,000 number. The flu and our yearly response (or non-response to it) is directly relevant to the discussion, and I have used the comparison often. I posted last week on the absurd media over-response to a dozen or so children dying of COVID-19, when hundreds of children die of the flu every year and nobody blinks an eye. Healthy children and adults up to age 50/60 have no more to fear from CV-19 than the flu, and probably less.

This far, COVID-19 has been 2-3x more deadly per infection than the flu , but the CV-19 death rate will decrease going forward with better medical care and the vulnerable being better protected.

There won't be a vaccine for another year if ever. We will be living with the virus pretty much until it flames out, although it may come back seasonally like the flu. The best solution may be to let it rip through the healthy population this summer, since vulnerable people will be sheltering no matter what course is taken. Still thinking that approach through though.

 

[MsArk]

Not everybody in the home is allowed to have access to a business' intranet. That is a good way to get fired. It is password protected and also monitored by security. My husband worked at his home office for 15 years. His company owned his computer, paid his fax/phone bills. None of the rest of us were allowed to use it. His computer also had a camera on it.

JMO

Exactly... I have been working from home (insurance) since 1999. There are several layers of protection implemented by my company, including having to verify I am the one trying to sign on. I probably shouldn’t get into the details of that but virtually no one else in my home or elsewhere would be able penetrate it. It would be much more likely to have a phishing attack via a bad email link but we also get safe internet training 4 x per year.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Coronavirus hits Texas day cares, majority of cases among staff

Bringing over from the Texas forum

 

[CharlestonGal]

1/3 of the population shelters

2/3 of the population lives their life.

Problem solved.

Thank you for volunteering to be a guinea pig. Someone has to test the waters in order for the rest of us to make properly informed decisions. I know that sounds ruthless, but it is what it is.

 

[MyBelle]

that is horrible and so sad!

It's not that hard to connect the dots between cause and effect. All front line health workers should have been required to self-isolate from the beginning including those who worked at the Kirkland Life Care Center. The news media carried multiple stories about NYC hospital doctors and nurses not interacting their families when they got home from work or sending their children to isolate with other family members. One story was about a National Guard nurse who was sent to NYC's field hospital. After it was determined it was no longer needed, her entire unit was sent somewhere to self-isolate for two weeks before returning to their homes/families.

Yet no such requirement has been made of health staff at private nursing homes, at least not in my state. The state health departments have failed miserably in their duty to protect our most vulnerable. The Nebraska nursing home had been locked down for more than a month when their first case was diagnosed. The only way the virus could have been transmitted was via a staff member. Nobody else had been allowed inside the facility.

JMO

 

[LadyL]

Cadets graduate in scaled-down ceremony after trying semester at Air Force Academy

Spaced to follow the norms of social distancing due to the coronavirus outbreak, cadets are sworn in as officers during the graduation ceremony for the Class of 2020 at the U.S. Air Force Academy, Saturday, April 18, 2020, at Air Force Academy, Colo. (David Zalubowski/AP)

well what's the point of the social distancing if they're going to stick their heads together to take a picture? sigh

 

[Simply Southern]

For all people in this situation, don't forget your local colleges - community colleges and state colleges. Community colleges are super cheap and these days, the units all transfer to the state college level (well, you can't choose certain courses, but anything approved as vocational rehab should transfer).

Further, there's financial aid and certain kinds of health resources (sometimes including a modestly priced and featured health insurance for students).

Online classes would be a piece of cake for JJenny. In certain programs involving rehab (and in other circumstances), it's tuition-free in many states.

Yes, great information. Maybe @jjenny could benefit from your information. I know Vocational Rehab in Virginia pays for college/vocational school, plus they have a monthly living expense stipend.

We need a jobs bill. During the closing of all our clothing manufacturing plants in the 90s, we had "Trade Act", 2 years of college/vocational school, tuition, books, gas allowance and a weekly check for 18 months. Almost everyone went "back to school".

Virginia has "The Tobacco Fund". If you lived, worked, had family that connected in anyway, automatic free community college 2 years, or are a first generation college student. I've taken lots of art, stain glass, pottery, photography class, for free. Maybe that will be part of my new normal, more online friends.

 

[Chelly]

Every time I hear the argument about people who would probably die anyway, or should just take their chances with the virus reminds me of Shirley Jackson's short story, The Lottery.

I would be considered old by most people here. My doc already has written orders not to ventilate, apply the machinery to someone younger. Most of the population seems to think the older generation is expendable anyway.

 

[tresir2012]

well what's the point of the social distancing if they're going to stick their heads together to take a picture? sigh

They had masks on so its OK.

Just posting this DM link. UK is going to be over CV19 by September and the US by November. New info from Singapore.

Coronavirus could be completely wiped out in Britain by September 30 |

Singapore University of Technology plotted data from the Covid-19 pandemic United States will extinguish the infection by November 11, the team discoveredThe model predicts the trajectory of the spread of the virus over timeAlso tracks actual number of new confirmed cases per day in a given as of May 12Here’s how to help people impacted by Covid-19

Coronavirus could be completely wiped out in the UK on September 30, according to modelling from scientists.

A team at the Singapore University of Technology plotted data from the pandemic to pinpoint the date cases will die out in countries hardest hit by the disease.

They predict a total eradication of the bug in Britain with no new cases - or a second wave - at all from the end of September.

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The US, where most Covid-19 deaths have been recorded, will extinguish the infection by November 11.

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The model by the Singapore University of Technology predicts the pandemic in the UK will be over by September 30

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The US, where most Covid-19 deaths have been recorded, will extinguish the infection by November 11

The model predicts the trajectory of the spread of the virus over time while tracking the actual number of new confirmed cases per day in a given country, as of May 12.

By plotting the acceleration and deceleration rates of each country's outbreak, the scientists have conjured up a prediction of when the virus will wane.

In other developments to Britain's coronavirus crisis today:

There were calls for Boris Johnson's top aide Dominic Cummings to resign after it emerged he flouted lockdown rules to travel 260miles to his elderly parents' home;It emerged that travel firms are already planning to exploit a loophole in the 14-day quarantine period by flying holidaymakers into UK via Dublin (which is exempt from new isolation rules); Labour leader Keir Starmer revealed his children have attended school throughout the coronavirus crisis as he called for classes to resume 'as soon as possible';

More at link.

 

[Chelly]

How so when the Flu is more deadly to 2/3 of the US Population than Covid19? Are Covid 19 deaths the only meaningful deaths now? What about the 4,600 people that died due to Cuomo putting Covid patients in Nursing homes?

What about Cancer patients that died because they couldn’t have chemo?

The solution that’s going to happen is this: if you want to shelter in place until a vaccine is created then you can but the majority of people won’t do that because we don’t need too. I’m not going to come anywhere near you unless you leave your house so we won’t bother each other. I don’t understand why that’s so hard?

Classes will be in person and sports will be played this fall with fans. That’s what’s going to happen. Continue to shelter if you’re at risk and problem solved.

We need to see some substation for your assertions.