Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #59

[TMAN2014]

One of the reasons we need to get back to work is we cannot sustain printing $$$, bailouts, comfortable unemployment where you make more money by not working, in addition to the medical reasons. And yeah, some people don't like to hear that.

Nothing is free. We pay for these things later, or we push the cost to the future, and kick the can up the road. Life would be nice to get paid every month for not working, but it is a road to ruination.

 

[Miss Tic]

I just got an interesting call from my doctor. I saw him Wednesday (non-covid related) and he asked if I wanted an antibody test since I had been in Europe in early January. I said sure, why not? They were taking blood anyway.

IgM - Negative
IgG - Positive

Other than a little jet-lag/fatigue when I returned from Germany I've never had any covid symptoms at all. False positive...?

I believe the IgM- IgG+ indicates an older infection (conversely, IgM+ IgG- would indicate an ongoing infection).

 

[10ofRods]

Praying this works. Wish it was Sweden instead though.
QUOTE="tmar, post: 16109212, member: 201678"]99% chance that coronavirus vaccine will work, says Chinese firm

99% chance that coronavirus vaccine will work, says Chinese firm

Tom Cheshire, Asia correspondent
3 hrs ago
...
Chinese scientists working on a COVID-19 vaccine have told Sky News they are "99%" sure it will be effective.

Sinovac, a Beijing-based biotech company, currently has its coronavirus vaccine in stage 2 trials, with more than 1,000 volunteers participating. Sky News is the first British broadcaster to visit its labs.

The company also said it is in preliminary talks to hold stage 3 trials - the final part of the trials process - in the UK.

[/QUOTE]

Sweden doesn't have a large enough diversity in overall genome for my taste - but I do wish it was developed simultaneously in several places - and I do wish the USA were in the forefront of this kind of research again. I wish the UK and Germany were also in the running, and Canada - in terms of ability to scale up production.

Maybe that will happen. But regardless, that Chinese vaccine will have to go through testing in other nations before approval in the USA or UK.

At least, that's the way things have been up until now - now, who knows? It's all unprecedented

 

[Simply Southern]

Don't know how to link...

CBS is doing a special, American Hair Cut Night. Famous folks with their famous hairdresser via Zoom.

I might pick up some important tips.

LMAO....

Eta, they have the Covid Swat Team physicians, cutting each others hair. OMG!!

 

[10ofRods]

Maybe that's how it got out of the Wuhan lab - stolen by monkeys.

Regarding the "no evidence that monkeys can contract the infection" statement, aren't we using monkeys to test the vaccines in trials? How will the test on the vaccine work if it is not possible to infect them anyway?

I think the first step is simply to see if a primate dies from the virus.

Next step will be human trials.

 

[Runswithscissorz]

The only true method of determining the effect of Coronavirus in Florida would be a comparison of aggregate data, true death figures for Florida for February, March, April, May 2020, compared with true death statistics for the state of Florida for February, March, April, May from 2015 to 2019.

Which, for some reason, are impossible to find online. Links for that data used to be available. It was hardly a secret. Now, those same links, lead to pages with "404 Error", removed. This is not in MSM. I was interested, and tried to find the data. Nada.
http://www.flhealthcharts.com/FLQUERY/Death/DeathCount.aspx

This does give aggregate past data. But I have not been able to find the numbers for 2020.

 

[10ofRods]

Don't know how to link...

CBS is doing a special, American Hair Night. Famous folks with their famous hairdresser via Zoom.

I might pick up some important tips.

LMAO....

Thank you for this. It won't do much for my hair, but I can dream.

 

[katydid23]

It does trap/block aerosols traveling between two parties seated facing each other. While it's possible that aerosols could float over, it would be way, way fewer. This is back to viral load. Personally, I think that once CoVid is established in someone's lungs, that there's very little infectious material left in the mouth or nose. So deep breathing, panting, coughing, sneezing, singing, yelling, yawning and sighing all push way more virions into the air.

I'd hate to be having to breathe in someone's directly exhaled air in my face. If I'm wearing a mask and some aerosols float over a barrier, I'll get very few of them. I personally don't think CoVid does very well at establishing itself in this circumstance.

However, if I were immune-compromised or medically fragile, I'd want a face shield in addition to a mask and then I'd be happier with the addition of Plexiglass.

But the main purpose of it is to protect the worker who has to be face to face with unmasked persons who also may sneeze or cough. There's no question that being in the direct line of a sneeze, cough, yawn or singing person is going to put one at higher risk.

Hopefully, the plexiglass thingies are cleaned throughout the day.

At the Albertson's in Northridge the other day, the kid who was cleaning the grocery cart handles, was also walking down the front aisle, and spraying the plexiglass with sanitiser, and cleaning each one.

I hope they are doing that all day and night.

 

[Simply Southern]

Thank you for this. It won't do much for my hair, but I can dream.

I have laughed so much!!! Great stress reliever!!!

 

[jjenny]

I believe the antibody tests are likely to have false negatives vs false positives. No link just moo

It's the opposite. Antibody test gives a lot of false positives.
"For example, in a population where the prevalence is 5%, a test with 90% sensitivity and 95% specificity will yield a positive predictive value of 49%," the CDC said on its website. "In other words, less than half of those testing positive will truly have antibodies."
CDC warns antibody testing still too inaccurate to use for coronavirus-related policy decisions

 

[Trino]

Reality check. The virus spread to the US from Europe: CDC

The virus then came into the U.S. from Europe, the CDC reported. "The findings do show that in late February, early March, there were several importations of the virus from Europe to California and northeastern United States and possibly elsewhere," Redfield said.
CDC reveals when coronavirus started spreading in the U.S.

 

[jjenny]

interesting
so you probably had a mild version with no symptoms?

Those tests are not very accurate. CDC says they shouldn't be used for any decisions because people can falsely assume they are immune when they are not. Test gives a lot of false positives.

 

[jjenny]

Reality check. The virus spread to the US from Europe: CDC

The virus then came into the U.S. from Europe, the CDC reported. "The findings do show that in late February, early March, there were several importations of the virus from Europe to California and northeastern United States and possibly elsewhere," Redfield said.
CDC reveals when coronavirus started spreading in the U.S.

We all saw what happened. When travel ban was announced, people rushed to buy tickets to get back to US. Some of those were definitely infected. They were still allowed back into US.
"Epidemiologists contend the U.S. outbreak was driven overwhelmingly by viral strains from Europe rather than China. More than 1.8 million travelers entered the United States from Europe in February alone as that continent became the center of the pandemic. Infections reached critical mass in New York and other cities well before the White House took action, according to studies mapping the virus’s spread. The crush of travelers triggered by Trump’s announcement only added to that viral load."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...836a00-962b-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

 

[SouthAussie]

I think the first step is simply to see if a primate dies from the virus.

Next step will be human trials.

Re: human trials ... apparently some are going on already. This trial volunteer has been very ill from receiving his (very high) doses of an experimental vaccine, but appears to have committed to the trial for 12 months.


A Seattle man who is taking part in a COVID-19 vaccine trial is opening up about experiencing an adverse reaction that briefly left him unconscious.
Ian Haydon, 29, said volunteering was the right thing to do when he shared his story with TODAY last month after receiving the first dose of the vaccine candidate.
The adverse reaction came after the second shot on May 5 .........
Haydon is still in the study and will be monitored periodically for about another year, just like all the other participants, he said
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/heal...ipant-suffers-severe-reaction-in-us-c-1064142

 

[katydid23]

We all saw what happened. When travel ban was announced, people rushed to buy tickets to get back to US. Some of those were definitely infected. They were still allowed back into US.
"Epidemiologists contend the U.S. outbreak was driven overwhelmingly by viral strains from Europe rather than China. More than 1.8 million travelers entered the United States from Europe in February alone as that continent became the center of the pandemic. Infections reached critical mass in New York and other cities well before the White House took action, according to studies mapping the virus’s spread. The crush of travelers triggered by Trump’s announcement only added to that viral load."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...836a00-962b-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

"...people rushed to buy tickets to get back to US. Some of those were definitely infected. They were still allowed back into US.
The crush of travelers triggered by Trump’s announcement only added to that viral load."

I am trying t understand the point being made here. Is it saying that the administration shouldn't have allowed Americans to return home before he locked down? Were college students and vacationers supposed to stay in Europe indefinitely?

So this article claims that US citizens traveling in Europe were 'triggered' by the president's announcement that he was closing the borders? What choice did he have? Was he supposed to immediately shut the borders, no warning time?

 

[jjenny]

"...people rushed to buy tickets to get back to US. Some of those were definitely infected. They were still allowed back into US.
The crush of travelers triggered by Trump’s announcement only added to that viral load."

I am trying t understand the point being made here. Is it saying that the administration shouldn't have allowed Americans to return home before he locked down? Were college students and vacationers supposed to stay in Europe indefinitely?

So this article claims that US citizens traveling in Europe were 'triggered' by the president's announcement that he was closing the borders? What choice did he have? Was he supposed to immediately shut the borders, no warning time?

The point is, there were infected symptomatic people flying, that should have been asked about symptoms before even allowed on the plane, and after they got off the plane. The guy featured in the article was infected, admitted he had symptoms upon arrival, was still allowed in without being sent to any quarantine.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The point is, there were infected symptomatic people flying, that should have been asked about symptoms before even allowed on the plane, and after they got off the plane. The guy featured in the article was infected, admitted he had symptoms upon arrival, was still allowed in without being sent to any quarantine.

How many of these travelers were symptomatic?

 

[jjenny]

How many of these travelers were symptomatic?

My guess is plenty. The guy featured in the article was symptomatic, told people of his symptoms upon arrival, was waved into the country regardless.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

We all saw what happened. When travel ban was announced, people rushed to buy tickets to get back to US. Some of those were definitely infected. They were still allowed back into US.
"Epidemiologists contend the U.S. outbreak was driven overwhelmingly by viral strains from Europe rather than China. More than 1.8 million travelers entered the United States from Europe in February alone as that continent became the center of the pandemic. Infections reached critical mass in New York and other cities well before the White House took action, according to studies mapping the virus’s spread. The crush of travelers triggered by Trump’s announcement only added to that viral load."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...836a00-962b-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

How did the virus get to Europe?

 

[jjenny]

How did the virus get to Europe?

I presume from China, how else? Apparently Italy employs a lot of people from China in their factories so clothes could have "made in Italy" label.