Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #59

[Deleted member 39678]

My guess is plenty. The guy featured in the article was symptomatic, told people of his symptoms upon arrival, was waved into the country regardless.

One guy in an article makes you feel there where plenty.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I presume from China, how else? Apparently Italy employs a lot of people from China in their factories so clothes could have "made in Italy" label.

That's what I figured too.

 

[jjenny]

One guy in an article makes you feel there where plenty.

After reading the article, it seems pretty clear to me he was one of many.

 

[weepingangel]

thank you for correcting mybad info. Are the nasal swab tests (for active virus right? ) more likely to have false negatives ?

It's the opposite. Antibody test gives a lot of false positives.
"For example, in a population where the prevalence is 5%, a test with 90% sensitivity and 95% specificity will yield a positive predictive value of 49%," the CDC said on its website. "In other words, less than half of those testing positive will truly have antibodies."
CDC warns antibody testing still too inaccurate to use for coronavirus-related policy decisions

 

[Deleted member 39678]

After reading the article, it seems pretty clear to me he was one of many.

I don't get that at all. I read about one guy in a crowd. It doesn't give me any idea about how many people were symptomatic.

 

[Sundog]

My guess is plenty. The guy featured in the article was symptomatic, told people of his symptoms upon arrival, was waved into the country regardless.

And he got on the plane knowing he had symptoms of coronavirus?

Article has firewall, so can't read it. But from what I am reading here, sounds like this guy is complaining about others not quarantining him, and yet he chose to fly across the world with symptoms and not quarantining himself.

 

[SouthAussie]

How did the virus get to Europe?

Seems that the first reported European cases were in France. First European CoVid death was in France.
Sounds as if China was the origin.


Epidemiology of first cases in the European Region
The first three cases detected were reported in France on 24 January 2020 and had onset of symptoms on 17, 19 and 23 January respectively [10]. The first death was reported on 15 February in France.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7068164/#__sec2title

About the first European cases, the article goes on to say:

...... reported for 35 cases (missing for three cases), of whom 14 were infected in China (Hubei province: 10 cases; Shandong province: one case; province not reported for three cases). The remaining 21 cases were infected in Europe. Of these, 14 were linked to a cluster in Bavaria, Germany, and seven to a cluster in Haute-Savoie, France.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

And he got on the plane knowing he had symptoms of coronavirus?

Article has firewall, so can't read it. But from what I am reading here, sounds like this guy is complaining about others not quarantining him, and yet he chose to fly across the world with symptoms and not quarantining himself.

The point of the article is not about the travelers decisions. If you read the headline it's clear what the goal is.

 

[155etta]

Sorry if this was already posted. Interesting and I think encouraging.

Coronavirus May Be a Blood Vessel Disease, Which Explains Everything
https://elemental.medium.com/corona...Yu8IWlufQDRktwH8eQqAOTCAyew9HJfJbomtWcr4KEeJc

 

[CharlestonGal]

interesting
so you probably had a mild version with no symptoms?

If the positive result is accurate, I had no symptoms. I haven't had a cold or flu or respiratory illness in years though - even when it's going around and everyone else is sick.

I'm going to check around next week to see if I can enroll in a study to see how long antibodies last and if they provide any kind of immunity. Those questions really need answers.

 

[tmar]

Can't Deal With The News? Here Are 10 Hopeful Stories You Need Right Now

Can't Deal With The News? Here Are 10 Hopeful Stories You Need Right Now
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2 hrs ago
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So, we've put together a little round-up of recent science news that we find inspiring, encouraging, and worthy of note in these trying times.

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[Deleted member 158085]

99% chance that coronavirus vaccine will work, says Chinese firm

99% chance that coronavirus vaccine will work, says Chinese firm

Tom Cheshire, Asia correspondent
3 hrs ago
...
Chinese scientists working on a COVID-19 vaccine have told Sky News they are "99%" sure it will be effective.

Sinovac, a Beijing-based biotech company, currently has its coronavirus vaccine in stage 2 trials, with more than 1,000 volunteers participating. Sky News is the first British broadcaster to visit its labs.

The company also said it is in preliminary talks to hold stage 3 trials - the final part of the trials process - in the UK.

Uh, oh. What are all those people on my Facebook friends list who have sworn off Chinese products going to do? (Probably the same thing they will do next time they need a new iPhone - conveniently forget about it.)

 

[margarita25]

Dbm

 

[KALI]

Sometimes there is a no win situation. You can only try to do your best.
I really think there's a lot more of those situations happening now as we muddle our way through this fricking worldwide pandemic.
As a restaurant, we're trying to do our best. It's difficult. Hubby is having to police our customers, which is sometimes, the opposite of hospitality.
I personally still hate this pandemic and what it has turned us into.

"...people rushed to buy tickets to get back to US. Some of those were definitely infected. They were still allowed back into US.
The crush of travelers triggered by Trump’s announcement only added to that viral load."

I am trying t understand the point being made here. Is it saying that the administration shouldn't have allowed Americans to return home before he locked down? Were college students and vacationers supposed to stay in Europe indefinitely?

So this article claims that US citizens traveling in Europe were 'triggered' by the president's announcement that he was closing the borders? What choice did he have? Was he supposed to immediately shut the borders, no warning time?

 

[jjenny]

thank you for correcting mybad info. Are the nasal swab tests (for active virus right? ) more likely to have false negatives ?

Yep, the tests for active virus are more likely to have false negatives. But antibody tests are likely to have false positives. To the point that CDC is making warnings for people to not make decisions based on positive antibody test.

 

[katydid23]

The point is, there were infected symptomatic people flying, that should have been asked about symptoms before even allowed on the plane, and after they got off the plane. The guy featured in the article was infected, admitted he had symptoms upon arrival, was still allowed in without being sent to any quarantine.

Wait, he was asked about symptoms on arrival? So there was someone talking to the passengers on their arrival then? So he knew he needed to stay isolated?

Are you saying he should have been forced into quarantine at the time?

 

[tresir2012]

So is the 6 foot "social distancing" guideline.

I think science supports the 2 metres distance based on how far someone coughs, sneezes and sings. Some choir members passed it to each other in the UK. Do you have a link that it is a placebo?

 

[katydid23]

We all saw what happened. When travel ban was announced, people rushed to buy tickets to get back to US. Some of those were definitely infected. They were still allowed back into US.
"Epidemiologists contend the U.S. outbreak was driven overwhelmingly by viral strains from Europe rather than China. More than 1.8 million travelers entered the United States from Europe in February alone as that continent became the center of the pandemic. Infections reached critical mass in New York and other cities well before the White House took action, according to studies mapping the virus’s spread. The crush of travelers triggered by Trump’s announcement only added to that viral load."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...836a00-962b-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

"Infections reached critical mass in New York and other cities well before the White House took action, according to studies mapping the virus’s spread."

That does not seem like a factual statement. I can't read your article because I hit a paywall.

But I am not understanding the timeline in the statement. When are you saying that the virus reached critical mass in NYC?

The other article linked in the post you replied to said:

"It wasn't until January 30 when the CDC announced the first evidence of person-to-person spread — a married couple in Chicago. During a call with reporters on that day, Redfield said, "Based on what we know now, our assessment remains that the immediate risk to the American public is low."

It is now clear the virus was indeed spreading, particularly during the month of February.

"Limited community spread of the virus that causes COVID-19 occurred before the two non-travel associated cases that were reported in late February," Redfield told reporters on Friday."

CDC reveals when coronavirus started spreading in the U.S.

So the President set up the task force on Jan 30th, and began closing down flights from China at that time. So to say that the White House had not taken any action is incorrect.

They had not yet shut down European flights, but they did so when it became evident there was a problem. Sure, maybe a week earlier would have saved some lives. Hindsight is 2020.

 

[katydid23]

Lancet issues correction on study that led WHO to pause HCQ trial

Lancet issues correction on study that led WHO to pause HCQ trial

In their open letter to the authors of the study ... The open letter lists 10 major concerns about statistical analysis and data integrity.

 

[tresir2012]

My guess is plenty. The guy featured in the article was symptomatic, told people of his symptoms upon arrival, was waved into the country regardless.

Surely they were publically instructed to quarantine or did that not happen? No public announcements at airports or anything? I agree that I don't remember anything in the UK until March at the earliest, but that is not surprising as WHO had not declared a pandemic before then. Returning passengers from known infected areas were quarantined in UK but passengers had previously returned from February half term skiing trips in Italy and subsequently developed symptoms. By then, the virus was already in the community unfortunately.