Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #59

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  • #721
Well some (unexpected) good has come out of all this, re face masks! rbbm.
COVID-19 face mask provided DNA to solve 2018 child rape case, police
''KING CITY, Calif. - DNA swabbed from a California man’s face mask, which he was wearing to protect himself from the coronavirus, has led to his arrest in connection with a 2018 child rape, authorities said.''

“MCU personnel arranged to meet with Leonardo Ramirez to discuss an unrelated matter at the King City Police Department,” the news release said. “When Leonardo Ramirez arrived, he was offered a disposable mask to comply with the ongoing Monterey public health order as investigators were to be in close proximity as they spoke.

“Upon receiving the mask, Leonardo Ramirez discarded a mask he had been wearing, which MCU staff collected at the conclusion of the interview.”

The mask was sent to the California Department of Justice for DNA testing, police officials said. Genetic material found on the mask matched DNA evidence from the girl’s rape.''

''Ramirez was taken into custody Sunday afternoon''.

With your permission, moving this/copying it - please mod - to the DNA thread for criminals which we have here at DNA Solves Cold Cases/Parabon Nanolabs & GED/Match.

WOW!!!!!

I just last night watched the new tv show... Genetic Detective with CeCe Moore (the original gal who works with LE to do geneology for such)... and it's so very very interesting to have such science for LE

MOO

ETA: ETA: What is really to me stands out.. King County is the first case in US, and I still follow infection rates. Has just doubled in the last few days and is going up again.
 
  • #722
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/03/coronavirus-live-updates-us/

Vietnam has gone all out to save their sickest COVID patient. I had read previously that he would likely need a lung transplant. BBM

11:15 a.m.
Vietnam, with no covid-19 deaths, sees improvement in most grave case

"Vietnam’s most severely sick coronavirus patient is on the mend, state media reported Wednesday...

The 43-year-old British pilot for Vietnam Airlines, known as Patient 91, may no longer need a lung transplant, Reuters reported. He has begun smiling, shaking hands and responding to hospital staff.... [He] remains on a ventilator, but his reliance on the lifesaving machine has lessened.

The Vietnamese government has spent over $215,000 to treat him...."

People have been offering to donate a lung (perhaps part of a lung) to him. I wonder if he will be able to recover well enough not to need a transplant. Sounds like he is doing pretty well.
 
  • #723
Too many died, says man behind Swedish virus plan

Sweden's Dr Tegnell reflects on their strategy in this article.

From the link:

Sweden's controversial decision not to impose a strict lockdown in response to the Covid-19 pandemic led to too many deaths, the man behind the policy, Anders Tegnell, has acknowledged.
Sweden has seen a far higher mortality rate than its nearest neighbours and its nationals are being barred from crossing their borders.

Dr Tegnell told Swedish radio more should have been done early on.
"There is quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done."

Sweden has counted 4,542 deaths and 40,803 infections in a population of 10 million, while Denmark, Norway and Finland have imposed lockdowns and seen far lower rates.
Denmark has seen 580 deaths, Norway has had 237 deaths and Finland 321. Sweden reported a further 74 deaths on Wednesday.
 
  • #724
That article/headline seems bizarre to me, since the US has been generally seeing between 20,000 and 30,000 new cases a day all along*. So if we've DROPPED to 19,000 a day, that is good news!

Methinks someone wrote that article without any context, wanting it to seem like a dramatic increase?

*based on the 1point3acres site, which I look at daily.

We ended up with 22,500 new cases yesterday, which is indeed a drop from where it was a couple of weeks ago, but still quite a significant number (death rate per case diagnosed has been about 5% on average - so looks like we'll maintain our 1000 deaths or so per day, on average), in the US).

Deaths in the US yesterday (using 1point3acres data) were around 1100 (slightly more). So looks like another 30,000 deaths in June (my prediction). We'll be close to 140,000 deaths by end of June and no sign of slowing. If in fact the protestors end up with the predicted number of cases, we'll probably reach 150,000 total deaths - or higher.

I'm watching people clean up after the protests in L.A. and many are not wearing masks and they're definitely exerting themselves around non-household members. Sigh. It is just endless.

I do think we might see fewer fatalities among the new CV+ protestors, as many are so young. But everywhere, it seems people of all ages are out, milling about, many without masks. As if CoVid never happened. And that's what is worrying.

At any rate, there's no sign that CoVid will go away in July, but perhaps we could have a goal of getting death rates down to just 15,000 a month? All of the asymptomatic packing plant workers probably won't get CoVid again, so certain scenarios of transmission should improve, although at the cost of so many workers (25%) who are symptomatic.

Tomorrow, crowds return to Vegas, though.
 
  • #725
We ended up with 22,500 new cases yesterday, which is indeed a drop from where it was a couple of weeks ago, but still quite a significant number (death rate per case diagnosed has been about 5% on average - so looks like we'll maintain our 1000 deaths or so per day, on average), in the US).

Deaths in the US yesterday (using 1point3acres data) were around 1100 (slightly more). So looks like another 30,000 deaths in June (my prediction). We'll be close to 140,000 deaths by end of June and no sign of slowing. If in fact the protestors end up with the predicted number of cases, we'll probably reach 150,000 total deaths - or higher.

I'm watching people clean up after the protests in L.A. and many are not wearing masks and they're definitely exerting themselves around non-household members. Sigh. It is just endless.

I do think we might see fewer fatalities among the new CV+ protestors, as many are so young. But everywhere, it seems people of all ages are out, milling about, many without masks. As if CoVid never happened. And that's what is worrying.

At any rate, there's no sign that CoVid will go away in July, but perhaps we could have a goal of getting death rates down to just 15,000 a month? All of the asymptomatic packing plant workers probably won't get CoVid again, so certain scenarios of transmission should improve, although at the cost of so many workers (25%) who are symptomatic.

Tomorrow, crowds return to Vegas, though.
Ha...trying to remember where I read about nursing home (maybe assisted living) seniors coming out along the road with their walkers and wheel chairs to support protesters. Was it on this thread here already?

ETA Here it is/ retirement community:

In Silver Spring, Maryland, dozens of senior residents of Leisure World, a retirement community, lined Georgia Avenue to protest Floyd's death. The seniors, some of them holding walkers or using wheelchairs, waved signs at drivers passing by.

Largely Peaceful Protests Continue Hours Past Curfew in DC
 
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  • #726
Iowa news today: Iowa COVID-19 Information According to the Iowa covid site as of around 11:00 a.m. we have a total of 2,010 confirmed cases with IMO 54 new confirmed cases and 566 have passed away for an increase of 6. 11,925 are recovered. Here is a slightly different report in numbers: COVID-19 cases surpass 20,000
ISU confirms first positive COVID-19 case in athletics department, 4 students show symptoms
ETA-IDPH Says Lab Reporting Delay to Blame for Low Number of COVID-19 Tests Reported in Iowa
 
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  • #727
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/experts-dispute-reports-coronavirus-is-becoming-less-lethal/2020/06/01/8f8ace7c-a432-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html?

Experts dispute reports that coronavirus is becoming less lethal


June 1, 2020



Has the novel coronavirus in Italy changed in some significant way?

That was the suggestion of a top doctor in northern Italy who reports that patients to his hospital have been showing up with lower levels of the virus in their upper respiratory tracts compared with those two months ago.


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The comments, which received widespread attention following a Reuters report, prompted vigorous pushback from Michael Ryan, a top official with the World Health Organization, who said Monday during an online news conference that “we need to be exceptionally careful not to create a sense that all of a sudden the virus by its own volition has now decided to be less pathogenic. That is not the case at all.”



The consensus among other experts interviewed Monday is that the clinical findings in Italy likely do not reflect any change in the virus itself.


Zangrillo’s clinical observations are more likely a reflection of the fact that with the peak of the outbreak long past, there is less virus in circulation, and people may be less likely to be exposed to high doses of it.

In addition, only severely sick people were likely to be tested early on, compared with the situation now when even those with mild symptoms are more likely to get swabbed, experts said.


The pandemic is evolving rapidly, with the rate of new cases declining in some hard-hit areas of the world, including northern Italy and New York City, while rising dramatically in Brazil, Peru and India. The virus, however, is mutating at a slow rate, experts say.


Some strains of the virus have become more dominant, but there is no firm evidence yet that any of them are more contagious or deadly, according to scientists who have reviewed recent genetic studies.


Vaughn Cooper, an infectious-disease expert at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, said the new coronavirus mutates slowly compared with influenza and other microbes, and its genetic changes appear to be “mostly inconsequential.”


“I believe it’s safe to say that the differences that doctors are reporting in Italy are entirely due to changes to medical treatment and in human behavior, which limit transmission and numbers of new infections initiated by large inocula — a larger dose of virus appears to be worse — rather than changes in the virus itself,” he said.


All viruses evolve over time, and many infectious-disease experts think the novel coronavirus will eventually become less lethal to human beings, joining four other coronaviruses in causing common colds. But there is no solid evidence so far that it has changed significantly in the five months since it was first recognized among patients in Wuhan, China.


“The virus hasn’t lost function on the time scale of two months,” said Andrew Noymer, an epidemiologist at the University of California at Irvine. “Loss of function is something I expect over a time scale of years.”



In the United States, the pandemic has taken on a patchwork pattern, with much of the Northeast seeing marked improvement. But some places in the South — Alabama, Texas and Virginia, for example — as well as Wisconsin, California and Washington state are showing increases in confirmed cases, according to the coronavirus tracker of Johns Hopkins University.


“Every place has a different epidemic, and it’s not because of the virus,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

Slight tweaks in the microbe’s genetic makeup appear in different places on the planet. Epidemiologists use those mutations to track the virus’s spread. Those changes are akin to stickers slapped on a well-traveled suitcase — markers of where the luggage has gone that don’t impart any functional change.

Researchers Harm van Bakel, Emilia Sordillo and Viviana Simon at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who have been focusing on the genetics of the novel coronavirus, said in an interview that they had not seen a dip in viral load among patients in that hospital system since March, nor have they detected any major genetic changes in the virus in New York City.

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BBM
 
  • #728
From the link:

Sweden's controversial decision not to impose a strict lockdown in response to the Covid-19 pandemic led to too many deaths, the man behind the policy, Anders Tegnell, has acknowledged.
Sweden has seen a far higher mortality rate than its nearest neighbours and its nationals are being barred from crossing their borders.

Dr Tegnell told Swedish radio more should have been done early on.
"There is quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done."

Sweden has counted 4,542 deaths and 40,803 infections in a population of 10 million, while Denmark, Norway and Finland have imposed lockdowns and seen far lower rates.
Denmark has seen 580 deaths, Norway has had 237 deaths and Finland 321. Sweden reported a further 74 deaths on Wednesday.
Excellent example of Sweden's herd immunity experiment at the price of lives and health of its citizens.
 
  • #729
Excellent example of Sweden's herd immunity experiment at the price of lives and health of its citizens.
Well, we are now gong for the same experiment here in US. Virus has not been contained, but everything is opening up. And add to that, people are gathering together in large numbers and protesting. We are in for a bumpy ride.
 
  • #730
I remember, on about March 11th, sitting with my mom in her living room, waiting to watch an NBA game with her. She LOVES watching basketball...and as we watched, 2 hours of on air confusion led to the announcement that the game was postponed because one of the players tested positive....then an hour later, the sudden announcement that ALL NBA GAMES WERE SUSPENDED...

It was the first time my 89 yr old mom really understood what Covid19 was. That same night we received a call from the front desk of her retirement complex---all visitors had to leave w/in next 24 hours.
 
  • #731
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/experts-dispute-reports-coronavirus-is-becoming-less-lethal/2020/06/01/8f8ace7c-a432-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html?

Experts dispute reports that coronavirus is becoming less lethal


June 1, 2020



Has the novel coronavirus in Italy changed in some significant way?

That was the suggestion of a top doctor in northern Italy who reports that patients to his hospital have been showing up with lower levels of the virus in their upper respiratory tracts compared with those two months ago.


{snip}


The comments, which received widespread attention following a Reuters report, prompted vigorous pushback from Michael Ryan, a top official with the World Health Organization, who said Monday during an online news conference that “we need to be exceptionally careful not to create a sense that all of a sudden the virus by its own volition has now decided to be less pathogenic. That is not the case at all.”



The consensus among other experts interviewed Monday is that the clinical findings in Italy likely do not reflect any change in the virus itself.


Zangrillo’s clinical observations are more likely a reflection of the fact that with the peak of the outbreak long past, there is less virus in circulation, and people may be less likely to be exposed to high doses of it.

In addition, only severely sick people were likely to be tested early on, compared with the situation now when even those with mild symptoms are more likely to get swabbed, experts said.


The pandemic is evolving rapidly, with the rate of new cases declining in some hard-hit areas of the world, including northern Italy and New York City, while rising dramatically in Brazil, Peru and India. The virus, however, is mutating at a slow rate, experts say.


Some strains of the virus have become more dominant, but there is no firm evidence yet that any of them are more contagious or deadly, according to scientists who have reviewed recent genetic studies.


Vaughn Cooper, an infectious-disease expert at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, said the new coronavirus mutates slowly compared with influenza and other microbes, and its genetic changes appear to be “mostly inconsequential.”


“I believe it’s safe to say that the differences that doctors are reporting in Italy are entirely due to changes to medical treatment and in human behavior, which limit transmission and numbers of new infections initiated by large inocula — a larger dose of virus appears to be worse — rather than changes in the virus itself,” he said.


All viruses evolve over time, and many infectious-disease experts think the novel coronavirus will eventually become less lethal to human beings, joining four other coronaviruses in causing common colds. But there is no solid evidence so far that it has changed significantly in the five months since it was first recognized among patients in Wuhan, China.


“The virus hasn’t lost function on the time scale of two months,” said Andrew Noymer, an epidemiologist at the University of California at Irvine. “Loss of function is something I expect over a time scale of years.”



In the United States, the pandemic has taken on a patchwork pattern, with much of the Northeast seeing marked improvement. But some places in the South — Alabama, Texas and Virginia, for example — as well as Wisconsin, California and Washington state are showing increases in confirmed cases, according to the coronavirus tracker of Johns Hopkins University.


“Every place has a different epidemic, and it’s not because of the virus,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

Slight tweaks in the microbe’s genetic makeup appear in different places on the planet. Epidemiologists use those mutations to track the virus’s spread. Those changes are akin to stickers slapped on a well-traveled suitcase — markers of where the luggage has gone that don’t impart any functional change.

Researchers Harm van Bakel, Emilia Sordillo and Viviana Simon at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who have been focusing on the genetics of the novel coronavirus, said in an interview that they had not seen a dip in viral load among patients in that hospital system since March, nor have they detected any major genetic changes in the virus in New York City.

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BBM

Ty

large innocula,
noted.
 
  • #732
Anyone really interested in how the COVID19 rates will be in the areas with civil unrest? I am, especially as the protesters are outside. Wondering if that will make a difference?
 
  • #733
Anyone really interested in how the COVID19 rates will be in the areas with civil unrest? I am, especially as the protesters are outside. Wondering if that will make a difference?
It appeared to me that every state had several cities and even smaller towns, that had large congregations of people walking close together and chanting and singing, for hours.

The only saving grace is that most seemed to be wearing masks.
 
  • #734
Anyone really interested in how the COVID19 rates will be in the areas with civil unrest? I am, especially as the protesters are outside. Wondering if that will make a difference?

Yes definitely interested,
as we have been informed that covid is highly communicable.
 
  • #735
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  • #737
Well, we are now gong for the same experiment here in US. Virus has not been contained, but everything is opening up. And add to that, people are gathering together in large numbers and protesting. We are in for a bumpy ride.

Yes, I think so too. However, we do have a better handle on treatment than when New York and New Jersey first went exponential. And, at least many places, there's now PPE.

I predict that CoVid will sweep through the schools (particularly school age children) and since most are asymptomatic/have a mild cold - until they get into their 20's, we'll see little mortality (kids who are not vaccinated for the usual childhood diseases will be at much higher risk. Some of those are homeschooled and this would be the best strategy for those who are refusing to give their kids vaccines. One major theory on why kids aren't getting serious cases of CoVid, as many of us have read, is that they are 1) recently vaccinated and therefore have "primed" immune systems; and 2) kids get lots of viruses per year anyway, so they have "primed" immune systems.

Homeschooled kids who are not vaccinated may be at risk. I wish that we had the ability to discuss these things openly, on news channels, on Dateline, etc.

And it will sweep through the young adult population, mostly through parties and bars and sometimes, college (although most classes will be online). When cold, dry weather comes to various places, we'll see a big uptick - perhaps even another exponential growth spurt (second wave). Places like New York and New Jersey will have less of an uptick, since it looks like they may be at 15-20% already immune by then - not enough to stop CoVid, but it will slow it.

My own sense is that out of every 100 people who get CoVid, about 50% will be asymptomatic. Another 25% will have mild to moderate symptoms, some will have exacerbated underlying conditions. Another 25% will have severe to fatal consequences. IMO, have an abnormal lung x-ray (ground glass opacities) would be a marker for severe CoVid, not necessarily fatal, especially in younger people. But people from 20 onward may have those kinds of consequences (and about 15% of those will probably recover full lung function - the rest may need to be aware of their lungs and possibilities of lung damage for the rest of their lives - IMO). I'm sort of guessing based on reading as many papers as I can.

5% of the new cases diagnosed will die. That number may go down as we get better treatments and contact tracing for earlier diagnosis. That's what we hope. If people think they have a minor cold and wait too long to go be tested, the number could go higher.

But 25% of the people who get it, especially if they are over 50, will be very sorry to have it. The length of time in hospital could exhaust some people's health benefits and even their paid leave from work. That's a feature of CoVid-19 that hasn't been thoroughly talked about, economically.

Meanwhile, many older people with both disposable income and time will stay away from public places, to the detriment of theaters and restaurants.

In this manner, over a period of another year or two, more and more people will get CoVid, and we'll hover in this limbo of wondering when and where it's going to start another peak. Since gyms are on the list of high risk places, I wonder how gyms will fare? One reason people love gyms is the air conditioning.

TL;DR CV19 isn't going away, there will be many silent carriers, and 20% of those infected will get really sick; about 5% may die.
 
  • #738
Anyone really interested in how the COVID19 rates will be in the areas with civil unrest? I am, especially as the protesters are outside. Wondering if that will make a difference?

I am very, very interested. At this point, there are so many places to try and keep track of. While L.A. was mostly peaceful demonstrations last night, there were three huge crowds, with people mixing from all over the city. Some wore masks.

Paris had unrest last night and today's photos from Parisian newspapers show hundreds of people along the Seine, unmasked.

Seattle and Portland are another two cities to watch (especially as Oregon has had CV pretty much under control).

But Louisville, Houston, Birmingham and Montgomery - wouldn't those all be on the list too?

The protests in New York were in particular boroughs whose names I can't remember.

It's true they are outside, but they are doing a lot of yelling and standing very close to each other. I'm curious what people observed about masks.
 
  • #739
Blood vessel attack could trigger coronavirus’ fatal ‘second phase’ | Science | AAAS

Blood vessel attack could trigger coronavirus’ fatal ‘second phase’

BBM. There is IMO an excellent graphic depicting the "cascade of injury" that can occur in some patients with severe COVID-19, causing them to "slip into a fatal “second phase” of COVID-19, 1 week or so after hospitalization."

The graphic contains this text:
"A new hypothesis suggests SARS-CoV-2 attacks the endothelial cells that line the blood vessels surrounding the lungs’ air sacs, or alveoli. A spiral of damage can result. Injured endothelial cells cause fluid to leak out of vessels, trigger blood clotting, and summon a host of immune cells and messenger molecules that cause widespread inflammation."

Another quote:
"This mechanism could explain why the disease pummels some patients who have obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular conditions: The cells lining their blood vessels are already compromised. If so, drugs used to treat these conditions might help prevent other COVID-19 patients from sliding into serious disease."

More at link, of course!
 
  • #740
I am very, very interested. At this point, there are so many places to try and keep track of. While L.A. was mostly peaceful demonstrations last night, there were three huge crowds, with people mixing from all over the city. Some wore masks.

Paris had unrest last night and today's photos from Parisian newspapers show hundreds of people along the Seine, unmasked.

Seattle and Portland are another two cities to watch (especially as Oregon has had CV pretty much under control).

But Louisville, Houston, Birmingham and Montgomery - wouldn't those all be on the list too?

The protests in New York were in particular boroughs whose names I can't remember.

It's true they are outside, but they are doing a lot of yelling and standing very close to each other. I'm curious what people observed about masks.

I thought that it was interesting. Especially as so many of the people attending were black, a group that has been indicated as "high risk". I saw a lot of hugs, and "high fives".
 
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