Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #60

[Gardener1850]

I'm feeling so sad and conflicted today. Some friends of mine celebrated their daughter's birthday this week. What did the birthday girl get to do? She had a party with 9 other friends her age and then got to go clothes shopping at multiple stores that just re-opened in their area. No masks and no social distancing in any of the festivities. The party was outside and they had cupcakes but the pictures showed the kids sitting right next to each other in the grass, knees touching while eating their cupcakes. And the birthday girl tried on tons of clothes at a busy store with no masks seen in any of the photos. And I know these friends of mine have masks to wear because I've seen photos of their masks and masks for their children too. They were so careful in the beginning. Why are they suddenly acting as if the virus is gone? I wanted to celebrate that they got to have a "normal" party but I just couldn't bring myself to feel any joy for them. I only feel foreboding and sadness. They have been unemployed throughout this-- how will they pay their hospital bills if they or their children get sick? Or worse, how will they feel if they get it and pass it on to their elderly parents/grandparents and someone they love dies? I wanted to shout "What are you thinking, we're in the middle of a pandemic!?!" I restrained myself and simply gave a half-hearted, "How sweet she had a fun day, tell happy birthday from us..." And that was the end of the conversation. Maybe I'm the crazy one to still social distance and wear a mask to the store? I dread every grocery trip because of people like my friends who are acting irresponsibly in public. I've been convinced by the data so far that this virus is a death sentence for me if I get it. I'm no spring chicken, but I'm too young to die. I have a lot I still want to accomplish in this life. I have a lot to live for. Also I don't want to lose my parents, my in-laws, my many vulnerable friends and family members to this horrible virus all in one year. They all still have a lot to live for too. I'm sitting here crying now. Maybe I'm the crazy one though... Maybe the predictions of a second wave with higher death tolls are wrong? It seems like we never even got out of the first wave before things opened back up. MOO.

 

[mickey2942]

Nick Cordero began stem cell treatment for lungs, Amanda Kloots says

Update on Nick Cordero. This guy has really been thru it. Now receiving stem cell treatment.

Very interesting. I believe that Mr. Cordero has been in a medically induced coma for 6 weeks now? Still on ventilator?

How long can a person be on a ventilator? At what point in time is there a determination that the patient should be able to breathe on their own, without mechanical help? Ventilator forever?

 

[tresir2012]

Well now hubby and I are dealing with fires.
It's hot and windy here in So. California.
Tomorrow's forecast is for 100 degrees farenheit here.
Worse then today.
I'm most certainly not a drama queen. Just the facts.
I fear fires more then both the Corona Virus or protests can ever throw at me.
I am not at home. All I care about is hubby and our two dogs getting out of there if evacuation orders are given.
It's looking like a scary night. Smoke all around our neighborhood.
Where there's smoke. There is fire?
I hope not, we've been through this so many times.
* I want out of Southern California so bad.
I can't take another season of fires.
Thanks for listening. I wouldn't know where else to vent.
All will probably be okay. I despise this waiting game of where the fires are going next

Will smoke from the fires spread the virus?

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Coronavirus 'in Scotland earlier than thought'

Coronavirus may have been spreading in Scotland before the first cases were confirmed at the start of March, the chief medical officer has said.

Dr Gregor Smith said scientists had identified early cases of the virus which had no clear link to travel.

He said this suggested that coronavirus was likely to have been spreading in the community in February.

But he stressed that these cases were likely to have been "very few in number".

Dr Smith also said there were thought to have been at least 112 separate introductions of Covid-19 to Scotland.

These cases were ultimately responsible for sustained community transmission of the virus across the country.

The chief medical officer also said there was no evidence of any wider outbreak linked to a Nike conference in Edinburgh in February.

The first confirmed case of Covid-19 in Scotland was announced on 1 March, when a patient was diagnosed after returning home to Tayside from Italy.

Dr Smith said scientists in Scotland were using "cutting edge" techniques to help understand how the virus had later spread across the country.

They have been doing this by identifying the subtle molecular differences in the virus from people who have been infected.

This allows them to effectively create "family trees" for the virus so it can be tracked in time and place.

Dr Smith said: "The use of this next generation sequencing technology has allowed us to identify at least 112 separate introductions of Covid-19 across Scotland that ultimately led to sustained community transmission.

"It has identified viral lineages with no clear link to travel at the very early stages of the outbreak in Scotland, suggesting that there may have been earlier introduction to Scotland and community spread even before the first cases emerged.

"In this respect, the emergence of continental Europe as the global epicentre of the epidemic appears to have been the main source of the particular lineages that have established in Scotland."

Dr Smith also said the technology had suggested that an outbreak of the virus at a Nike conference in Edinburgh at the end of February had been successfully contained.

He added: "This particular sub lineage of the virus has not been detected in Scotland since towards the end of March.

"This suggests that the actions taken to manage this outbreak were successful in containing spread and have led to the eradication of this particular viral lineage, with no evidence of any wider outbreak associated with it in Scotland since that time."

 

[tresir2012]

I'm feeling so sad and conflicted today. Some friends of mine celebrated their daughter's birthday this week. What did the birthday girl get to do? She had a party with 9 other friends her age and then got to go clothes shopping at multiple stores that just re-opened in their area. No masks and no social distancing in any of the festivities. The party was outside and they had cupcakes but the pictures showed the kids sitting right next to each other in the grass, knees touching while eating their cupcakes. And the birthday girl tried on tons of clothes at a busy store with no masks seen in any of the photos. And I know these friends of mine have masks to wear because I've seen photos of their masks and masks for their children too. They were so careful in the beginning. Why are they suddenly acting as if the virus is gone? I wanted to celebrate that they got to have a "normal" party but I just couldn't bring myself to feel any joy for them. I only feel foreboding and sadness. They have been unemployed throughout this-- how will they pay their hospital bills if they or their children get sick? Or worse, how will they feel if they get it and pass it on to their elderly parents/grandparents and someone they love dies? I wanted to shout "What are you thinking, we're in the middle of a pandemic!?!" I restrained myself and simply gave a half-hearted, "How sweet she had a fun day, tell happy birthday from us..." And that was the end of the conversation. Maybe I'm the crazy one to still social distance and wear a mask to the store? I dread every grocery trip because of people like my friends who are acting irresponsibly in public. I've been convinced by the data so far that this virus is a death sentence for me if I get it. I'm no spring chicken, but I'm too young to die. I have a lot I still want to accomplish in this life. I have a lot to live for. Also I don't want to lose my parents, my in-laws, my many vulnerable friends and family members to this horrible virus all in one year. They all still have a lot to live for too. I'm sitting here crying now. Maybe I'm the crazy one though... Maybe the predictions of a second wave with higher death tolls are wrong? It seems like we never even got out of the first wave before things opened back up. MOO.

So much conflicting info. Schools in England were going back, now they are not, mainly because unions said they weren't safe. Scottish schools going back early in August. Irish pubs opening. Schools already back in Ireland. Cannot visit relatives yet if it goes across the Welsh, Scottish or Irish border. All we can do is watch and wonder and do the best we can to follow the confusing guidance and messages. Wales have just announced to wear 3 masks on public transport. I'll find links on all this conflicting info where I can.

Schools in Wales to reopen later this month

Plan dropped for all primary pupils back in school

Face coverings recommended for use in Wales

Serving ‘substantial’ meal will be required for pubs to reopen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/52393241

 

[Shelby1]

Thanks again for all of the kind words. (((hugs)))

 

[tresir2012]

http://www.irishnews.com/epaper/aviator/share_article.php?article_id=183514

Irish schools going back one day a week.

 

[oviedo]

I'm feeling so sad and conflicted today. Some friends of mine celebrated their daughter's birthday this week. What did the birthday girl get to do? She had a party with 9 other friends her age and then got to go clothes shopping at multiple stores that just re-opened in their area. No masks and no social distancing in any of the festivities. The party was outside and they had cupcakes but the pictures showed the kids sitting right next to each other in the grass, knees touching while eating their cupcakes. And the birthday girl tried on tons of clothes at a busy store with no masks seen in any of the photos. And I know these friends of mine have masks to wear because I've seen photos of their masks and masks for their children too. They were so careful in the beginning. Why are they suddenly acting as if the virus is gone? I wanted to celebrate that they got to have a "normal" party but I just couldn't bring myself to feel any joy for them. I only feel foreboding and sadness. They have been unemployed throughout this-- how will they pay their hospital bills if they or their children get sick? Or worse, how will they feel if they get it and pass it on to their elderly parents/grandparents and someone they love dies? I wanted to shout "What are you thinking, we're in the middle of a pandemic!?!" I restrained myself and simply gave a half-hearted, "How sweet she had a fun day, tell happy birthday from us..." And that was the end of the conversation. Maybe I'm the crazy one to still social distance and wear a mask to the store? I dread every grocery trip because of people like my friends who are acting irresponsibly in public. I've been convinced by the data so far that this virus is a death sentence for me if I get it. I'm no spring chicken, but I'm too young to die. I have a lot I still want to accomplish in this life. I have a lot to live for. Also I don't want to lose my parents, my in-laws, my many vulnerable friends and family members to this horrible virus all in one year. They all still have a lot to live for too. I'm sitting here crying now. Maybe I'm the crazy one though... Maybe the predictions of a second wave with higher death tolls are wrong? It seems like we never even got out of the first wave before things opened back up. MOO.

me too - every day I am seeing less and less people wearing masks. parties happening in driveways, etc.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Yes. But one gal had hers literally falling down constantly today. It's not going to be effective.

Year round Allergies? There were 3-4 people at the bank who came to work coughing and insisted it was just allergies and HR sent them to get tested and all were positive.

 

[jjenny]

I'm feeling so sad and conflicted today. Some friends of mine celebrated their daughter's birthday this week. What did the birthday girl get to do? She had a party with 9 other friends her age and then got to go clothes shopping at multiple stores that just re-opened in their area. No masks and no social distancing in any of the festivities. The party was outside and they had cupcakes but the pictures showed the kids sitting right next to each other in the grass, knees touching while eating their cupcakes. And the birthday girl tried on tons of clothes at a busy store with no masks seen in any of the photos. And I know these friends of mine have masks to wear because I've seen photos of their masks and masks for their children too. They were so careful in the beginning. Why are they suddenly acting as if the virus is gone? I wanted to celebrate that they got to have a "normal" party but I just couldn't bring myself to feel any joy for them. I only feel foreboding and sadness. They have been unemployed throughout this-- how will they pay their hospital bills if they or their children get sick? Or worse, how will they feel if they get it and pass it on to their elderly parents/grandparents and someone they love dies? I wanted to shout "What are you thinking, we're in the middle of a pandemic!?!" I restrained myself and simply gave a half-hearted, "How sweet she had a fun day, tell happy birthday from us..." And that was the end of the conversation. Maybe I'm the crazy one to still social distance and wear a mask to the store? I dread every grocery trip because of people like my friends who are acting irresponsibly in public. I've been convinced by the data so far that this virus is a death sentence for me if I get it. I'm no spring chicken, but I'm too young to die. I have a lot I still want to accomplish in this life. I have a lot to live for. Also I don't want to lose my parents, my in-laws, my many vulnerable friends and family members to this horrible virus all in one year. They all still have a lot to live for too. I'm sitting here crying now. Maybe I'm the crazy one though... Maybe the predictions of a second wave with higher death tolls are wrong? It seems like we never even got out of the first wave before things opened back up. MOO.

Our first wave was never really over. And the cases are rising in many states. But seems like a lot of people got tired of lock down and decided the virus is gone because everything is opening up. It's not gone, as evidenced by cases rising in nearly half the states. If other people are not wearing masks, one needs to purchase better PPE (like N95 masks) to protect oneself.

 

[Tillicum]

me too - every day I am seeing less and less people wearing masks. parties happening in driveways, etc.

Yup. I went for my weekly Aldi run today. Of all the stores in our area, Aldi has been practicing safer social distancing and everyone was wearing masks. I go during senior hour and there's always a clerk out front sanitizing each cart and giving it to you. Well not today. We each had to get our cart from the row unsanitized, no clerk in sight. Several workers stocking shelves weren't wearing masks and some of the customers weren't. One man bumped into me while reaching across me to get tomatoes and he wasn't wearing a mask . Until today our groceries were put back in the cart we used but now they're back to putting the groceries in another cart after they ring them up. I was hoping they were sanitizing those carts before putting groceries in them but no, another cashier took my cart and used it for the next customer's groceries.
My hubby says customers that were normally wearing masks and taking it seriously last week, aren't wearing masks anymore and claim it's a hoax now. "If it's as bad as they've been saying, they wouldn't allow all those protests."

 

[oviedo]

Yup. I went for my weekly Aldi run today. Of all the stores in our area, Aldi has been practicing safer social distancing and everyone was wearing masks. I go during senior hour and there's always a clerk out front sanitizing each cart and giving it to you. Well not today. We each had to get our cart from the row unsanitized, no clerk in sight. Several workers stocking shelves weren't wearing masks and some of the customers weren't. One man bumped into me while reaching across me to get tomatoes and he wasn't wearing a mask . Until today our groceries were put back in the cart we used but now they're back to putting the groceries in another cart after they ring them up. I was hoping they were sanitizing those carts before putting groceries in them but no, another cashier took my cart and used it for the next customer's groceries.
My hubby says customers that were normally wearing masks and taking it seriously last week, aren't wearing masks anymore and claim it's a hoax now. "If it's as bad as they've been saying, they wouldn't allow all those protests."

I've been going to the grocery and not using the services but based on what I am seeing and hearing locally now, I may reconsider. I have to empty my packed freezer due to hurricane season so what little shopping I need to do will just be perishables - I think I will stay in for the next couple weeks. sigh.

 

[10ofRods]

Very interesting. I believe that Mr. Cordero has been in a medically induced coma for 6 weeks now? Still on ventilator?

How long can a person be on a ventilator? At what point in time is there a determination that the patient should be able to breathe on their own, without mechanical help? Ventilator forever?

Completely varies by patient. We're seeing some very long uses of ventilators in this pandemic. Somewhere, I read that there's a woman in her 30's that's starting day 71 or 72 today, on ventilator.

There are reports that people are coming off ventilators from CV19 very differently than in other uses of ventilators. Apparently, they first reduce the sedation and the patient starts to stir around - this is a good sign. Then, when the ventilator is removed and the sedation completely lifted, in non-CV patients, it's typical for the patient to open their eyes and maybe try to speak a few words or give a thumbs up.

CV patients are remaining semi-comatose. I think increasing research is showing that in a small number of CV19 patients, there is involvement of the brain. Small petechial hemorrhages throughout the brain are being reported in younger CV19 patients upon autopsy. Some have massive hemorrhages.

Still, many of the non-responsive CV19 are breathing on their own and eventually waking up. I can't imagine how hard this must be on the families. I read a doctor's account of how they're starting to expect CV19 patients to take 12-24 hours to fully wake up, and they seem to be okay eventually. No one knows exactly why. Perhaps it's the long intubation, perhaps it's entirely CV19, no one knows.

Some CV19 do wake up normally, of course. And those who remain comatose are given MRI's and the doctor mentioned above said that MRI's were mostly normal. So of course, they wait to see what's going to happen.

It was reported yesterday that Mr Cordero was awake and off ventilator throughout the weekend, and that his white blood cell counts are much lower - things seem to be looking up.

 

[tresir2012]

Yup. I went for my weekly Aldi run today. Of all the stores in our area, Aldi has been practicing safer social distancing and everyone was wearing masks. I go during senior hour and there's always a clerk out front sanitizing each cart and giving it to you. Well not today. We each had to get our cart from the row unsanitized, no clerk in sight. Several workers stocking shelves weren't wearing masks and some of the customers weren't. One man bumped into me while reaching across me to get tomatoes and he wasn't wearing a mask . Until today our groceries were put back in the cart we used but now they're back to putting the groceries in another cart after they ring them up. I was hoping they were sanitizing those carts before putting groceries in them but no, another cashier took my cart and used it for the next customer's groceries.
My hubby says customers that were normally wearing masks and taking it seriously last week, aren't wearing masks anymore and claim it's a hoax now. "If it's as bad as they've been saying, they wouldn't allow all those protests."

I can see both sides. Allowing the protests while we are on lockdown is crazy but there is no way to police thousands of people and arrest them all for breaching lockdown. It makes it clear that the lockdown only works with public acceptance. And as we already had the gun control people on the streets previously ignoring lockdown, it was inevitable. In Lidl, you have to sanitize your own trolley at a sanitizing station and you keep it because you have put a pound in it, which you get back when you return it outside after loading up your car. I guess we will have to wait a week or two to see what effect the protest have had on the R rate. It will be midsummer in the Northern Hemisphere then so it should naturally lessen then anyway hopefully.

 

[CeeCeeCat]

Hi everyone

I've been reading all along, every single day. I know I don't say much. I'm the same way in person.

Want you guys to know that I feel all of your worries and pains and I'm sending hugs and positive thoughts to all.

It's been a rough week for me. Maybe that's why I'm posting. Probably is.

I totally know that things could be so much worse, so on top of everything else I'm feeling, I feel like I shouldn't feel the way I do.

My grandpa passed away earlier this week. He lived a long, good life. He was in a care home. He was blind. My mom was able to visit him once a week during his last weeks. She had to gear up in all the PPE. The care home did a great job. He didn't die from the virus, but somehow I feel like it was the cause. He went downhill fast when he wasn't able to have contact with family and friends (not blaming the care center...they did the right thing. They had positive cases in the home from both residents and care givers so they had to)

Just needed to write this all out.

Hugs to all.

Oh Shelby. I’m so sorry. Sending you a gentle, virtual {{{hug}}}

 

[oviedo]

so one of the lawyers I work with just said that this "whole Covid thing is overblown..." sigh. won't wear a mask either unless client insists. coughing - allergies, goes out to lunch every day - if I get it, contact tracing will be this office.
JMO

 

[MimosaMornings]

13 high school students test positive for coronavirus after unsanctioned prom

“At least 13 students from Foster High School and George Ranch High School have tested positive for COVID-19 after reportedly attending a prom event in Katy on May 28. The event was not sanctioned by the schools, and the group then spent the weekend at a beach house in Galveston, according to the Fort Bend Herald.”

Great. Guess the parents thought it was fine and dandy to have a prom party and then continue on to Galveston, we will rent the house, here’s some money and don’t worry about your grandparents or anyone else.

 

[tresir2012]

I really can see UK is coming out of this with the deaths zero in Scotland and NI and 58 in England (55) and Wales (3) reported Monday. The lowest daily figure since 23rd March.

UK daily virus deaths drop to pre-lockdown level

From the link

***

The welcome drop in deaths being announced is encouraging news.

But they come with a big caveat - there are always delays recording fatalities over the weekend.

Last Monday there were just over 100 new deaths announced, but other days last week topped 300.

Nonetheless, it does show that progress is being made. Two Mondays ago there were more than 120 deaths and in the week before that there were 160.

During the peak of the virus there were more than 1,000 deaths a day.

The challenge now will be making sure the figures stay low as restrictions are eased.

Another difficulty facing the government is that, even with the extra testing in place, not all infections appear to be getting picked up.

Monday's data shows there were 1,205 new infections diagnosed, but surveillance suggests the true figure may be five times higher.

Some of these will be asymptomatic cases - people who do not show symptoms - but the concern remains that some people are simply not coming forward.

Identifying these will be crucial to keep on top of the virus.

There were no new deaths reported from London hospitals for the second day in a row. However, NHS England said it was aware of a "small number" of people who had died over the weekend and they would be included in figures in the next few days.

In Wales, three more deaths were announced.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock told the House of Commons that the R number - the rate at which the virus reproduces - remained below one in every region of the country but said that while the figure was the lowest since lockdown, 55 deaths was "55 too many".

"So, there are encouraging trends on all of these critical measures, coronavirus is in retreat across the land, our plan is working and these downward trends mean we can proceed with our plans. But we do so putting caution and safety first," he said.

Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth called for the government to proceed with caution but said "many now fear that the prime minister is starting to throw caution to the wind".

***

Wow - falling from more than 1,000 deaths per day at the peak

Thankyou NHS.

ETA. Todays figures just in - up 286 :-(

UK coronavirus live: Alok Sharma leads daily briefing as death toll rises by 286

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Coronavirus: Legoland to reopen on 4 July - and reveals there will be empty rows left on rides and mandatory temperature checks

Legoland is planning to open on 4 July and has revealed the measures it is taking - including leaving empty rows on rides and conducting temperature checks.

It is hoping to reopen on the same day as Thorpe Park and Chessington World of Adventures.

The theme parks - all owned by Merlin Entertainment - announced on their websites they are ready to welcome back visitors, but will be following strict rules to stop the spread of coronavirus.

Families visiting the parks are being told to book online tickets in advance, and they will be subject to temperature checks when they arrive.

Visitors will be asked to bring face masks and make contactless payments rather than using cash.

Karen Glassey, Legoland operations director, said: "As you'd expect, a day out or overnight stay at Legoland Windsor will feel a little different to before but everything we are introducing is with your safety, and our team's safety, as our top priority."

Some of the other new measures being introduced include:

• Reducing the number of guests visiting each day "significantly"
• Temperature checks at the park entrance
• Signs with safety messages around the resort
• Markers for social distancing
• Hygiene screens at counters
• Hand sanitiser dispensers and enhanced cleaning
• Dining areas rearranged
• Staff members wearing PPE
• Focus on 'grab and go' food options

Most rides and attractions are expected to be open, but some will be temporarily closed.

Legoland's Resort and Castle hotels are also set to open on 4 July.

 

[10ofRods]

I don't believe it because it does not make sense: if someone has the virus but is asymptomatic, how could they not spread it? it sounds like the WHO thinks it can only be spread by someone who has obvious symptoms like coughing and sneezing. Remember the WHO initially said (when the virus first appeared in China), that there was thought to be no transmission between people (how did that turn out?): then the WHO was against masks (now they are for masks): One just has to use one's brain and make your own determination what you believe -- and I agree they should not voice this kind of information without really knowing for sure -based on evidence.

I think W.H.O. is being very clumsy about the messaging, but the research they're trying to explain is complicated.

There were no standards for what was considered "asymptomatic." Now there's this term "paucisymptomatic" that's in use (it's not brand new, but it's very uncommon). It means "few symptoms."

That's because as contact tracing and other research into the past of CV patients and their networks is showing that many people previously classified as asymptomatic were actually paucisymptomatic. IOW, when interviewed during contact tracing or as part of retrospective research, they did have symptoms - just very mild ones. A headache and malaise, maybe some GI symptoms, but no fever, no cold symptoms. Or a cough and a headache.

ANYWAY, W.H.O. is having to walk back its statement because NO ONE KNOWS. So sorry for yelling, but srsly. After W.H.O. said that yesterday, I got all excited (it would be such good news) and of course, started reading. There was no such evidence - the evidence is all over the place. The best studies look at households where the entry of CV into the household is known, and what happens next is also known. The data are only barely coming in, really sparse. The data are all over the place. It's just like a crime - no two are exactly alike, but there are trends and patterns.

WHO walks back comments on asymptomatic coronavirus spread, says much is still unknown

SO, the paucisymptomatic can definitely transmit. Remember when they were saying that 40-50% of cases were asymptomatic? Well, I think the research is starting to show that only 20% were completely asymptomatic, but we may never know, since people's memories are imperfect.

The 20% figure is coming from those who are in antibody studies, usually as part of a random study. They have antibodies to CV, so they've been infected, but they swear they can't recall any symptoms at all. (They must be super healthy people - most people if asked about any symptoms over the last 3 months would have had at least a minor GI upset or perhaps a day or two of a bit of a snuffy nose). Some symptoms (affects on breathing) are very hard to notice.

So now for some researchers, it's 20% asympto, 20% pauci, 20% mild and 10% severe to critical. 30% moderate to serious (with long convalescence and perhaps lifelong issues).

What do we make of this? Put into the the mix that some of these studies are also finding the children living in households with CV19 patients get infected at only half the rate of adults (maybe only 40%). BUT, once they do get it, they transmit it at the levels that adults do (apparently). This would partly account for the low rate of issues with people under the age of 20. It could be mistaken (as it was in Switzerland, IMO) for "children don't transmit."

The W.H.O. is trying to mutter "18--19% are asymptomatic" as well as "the asymptomatic don't transmit the disease very much." IF it turns out to be true that the asymptomatic can barely transmit this disease (and that may be true), what does it even mean? It's of virtually no use clinically and out in real life.

"Some" children with CoVid are very poor transmitters; many children with CoVid transmit the same way as adults. mmkay

"Some" adults with CoVid have no symptoms and may be poor transmitters.

So...we're back to looking around ourselves, slightly more confident if the person in front of is appears to have no symptoms (but what if they're pauci???)

We can quarantine ourselves if we have the slightest symptom, but we should be doing that anyway.

It does make the herd immunity issue a bit easier (if it is true that the asymptomatic don't transmit well at all and that's 20% of us).