Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #61

[margarita25]

Lordy, social distancing and wearing masks is based on Science. KM makes me beyond crazy. It's common sense to follow the Scientific facts.

That woman. Dbm....sitting on my hands.

 

[Bravo]

My money's on Tiz The Law - for good reason

Me too. Good to see you BDE. Everyone at Belmont wearing masks. Jockey's etc. That's how it's done. No spectators was a sensible decision.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Those who have a ticket will circumvent any attempt to keep them out and will somehow get inside.

Earlier today, a woman was arrested, deemed an intruder at a "private event" due to the logo on her tee-shirt. She had a ticket to the event.

 

[margarita25]

We haven't seen much of Dr. Birx or Dr. Fauci lately.

Yeah there hasn’t been a WH conference since the April bleach debacle.

Fauci hasn’t seen DT in two weeks, he said.

Birx and Fauci advised against this “to no prevail”.

Fauci said he’s not going to the rally, “of course not”.

 

[tresir2012]

the reason i say this is beause there is a much greater chance of contracting the
virus thru aerosolization with 20000 screaming shouting people standing
shoulder to shoulder, as opposed from a surface

I addressed this in my last post.

It has been reported some of the rally folk believe the virus is a hoax. Sadly some may be about to find out. The next few weeks will be excruciating to watch.

Would you have a link? I missed that.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

We haven't seen much of Dr. Birx or Dr. Fauci lately.

Kicked to the curb for not being on the right page

 

[Bravo]

I was watching Anderson Cooper the other night and he said he requested Dr. Fauci appear for an Interview. His request was denied. He stated all Interviews have to be approved thru the White House since Fauci is on their task force.
White House denies CNN's request to interview Dr. Anthony Fauci - CNN Video

 

[Bravo]

tresir-no link it was Gary Tuckman speaking to rally folk on CNN

 

[margarita25]

They could need to use it if they visit the toilets. I wouldn't call it a waste of time.

As they all breathe in APVLD!!

 

[Lilibet]

Would you have a link? I missed that.

Regarding rally goers thinking coronavirus is a hoax:

Mark Kelleher, of Oklahoma City, dismissed the threat of the virus as “fear ."

“I think it’s all a hoax, to tell you the truth," Kelleher said.
President Trump looks to reset campaign amid pandemic with Tulsa rally

This is a very common belief among Trump’s base and just one example.

ETA: And the President’s own son is not far off from calling it that:

In an interview with Fox News’s Jeanine Pirro, Trump suggested the president’s critics were using the pandemic to undermine his father’s rallies, calling it a “cognizant strategy” that would cease once it was no longer politically expedient.

“You watch, they’ll milk it every single day between now and November 3,” the younger Trump said. “And guess what, after November 3, coronavirus will magically, all of a sudden, go away and disappear and everybody will be able to reopen.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/17/eric-trump-coronavirus/

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Nick Cordero’s Wife Visits Him in the Hospital and Gives Update on His Blood Pressure

I can’t believe he’s still hanging in there. A couple of weeks ago it sounded like he wasn’t expected to make it.

If he does, I wonder how he will feel about all of what was done to save him. I think he’s a good example for why we need to all have our living wills in place. Not everyone is ok with being on a ventilator or being fed through a tube. Hopefully this is what he would have chosen for himself. For me, it would be too much.

 

[margarita25]

Kicked to the curb for not being on the right page

Poor Fauci. Moo. And everyone who has worked their tails off. Just kick us in the face. All of us, medical workers, contact tracers, citizens who have done their parts to stay home, Cuomo...

Just kick us in the gut and heart and face, moo.

 

[tresir2012]

It's in the high 80's in Tulsa today, so the venue must surely have its A/C on. With 20,000 people indoors, even in the evening, it will be fairly uncomfortable without a little ventilation. If anyone is infected (very hard to know which models to use to predict that number, as people are coming from all over), they will be breathing out about 100,000 virions with each breath while not talking or yelling. This is enough to infect 2 people on either side of that person within about 10 minutes. Within 20 minutes, it's enough to infect a couple of people in front of that person.

We know that CoVid has spread on at least two main east-west highway arteries in the US - rather dramatically related to travel stops, convenience stores, etc. So it is likely that at least 4-5 people in that crowd are actively transmitting (and may not know it yet - highest transmission is just before the more serious symptoms occur (or in the case of the asymptomatic, from day 3-14 of infection, approximately). We don't really know how long people-in-general stay infectious, the average is probably about 2 weeks after the fever spikes, but we know very little about the asymptomatic or paucisymptomatic (my new word of the month - few symptoms).

We know some people are still transmitting virus 21 days out and I think the record is 28 days.

If someone is coughing and has CoVid, they will likely infect 5-10 people around them.

Of people who get CoVid in the US, 5% will die. 54 and under - only 1%. Obviously, older age groups are more vulnerable, with over 90's being in the range of 10-20% mortality.

Looking at the crowds in Tulsa, I can see that many are obese and many are older. They're already pressed together outside, where transmission should be lower, especially if there's a breeze and it is sunny. But again, if anyone is coughing or sneezing, the people nearby can still get it.

This becomes a natural experiment for all of us to watch. Many of the people are not from Tulsa, they will go back to where ever they go back to. Some of those places will not be doing contact tracing, etc., so we will never know for sure what the impact of such an event will be, but I predict that some of the people who work at that venue will end up infected, be hospitalized and the public told about their situation.

BTW, even a 1% risk of dying of CoVid (if infected) is way beyond my personal risk allowance. When I was on a medicine that had a 1 in 120,000 risk of causing blood clots, I thought that was not too bad. 4 weeks later, I was unconscious on my kitchen floor. But 1 in 100 is much, much scarier.

I hope people who are taking that kind of risk in a big indoor venue (of whatever kind) have their affairs in order, just in case. Especially a medical directive, because patients with CoVid, if hospitalized, really do need an advocate.

So apart from this being an indoor rally and temperatures are being taking, how do you think that rates against the outdoor protests with no temperature controls, also taking into account the demographics of this crowd, old and obese against those of the protests? Does the temperature taking reduce the higher risk/fact of it being indoor in your opinion?

 

[Bravo]

I can’t believe he’s still hanging in there. A couple of weeks ago it sounded like he wasn’t expected to make it.

If he does, I wonder how he will feel about all of what was done to save him. I think he’s a good example for why we need to all have our living wills in place. Not everyone is ok with being on a ventilator or being fed through a tube. Hopefully this is what he would have chosen for himself. For me, it would be too much.

I know. They have thrown everything they have at this man. I guess being fairly young his Wife has not given up. What will his quality of life be if he even pulls thru? So sad.

 

[margarita25]

But everyone is getting temperature checked. I guess some asymptomatics could get in. But they wont be huffing and puffing it into the air if they are asymptomatic. We cannot be wrapped in cotton wool forever. As I keep saying, the main concern is can the health service cope and that is the main impetus all along. The governments are not interested in getting the R number to zero everywhere, only below 1. MOO.

??? What?

 

[anneg]

So the other members of the family must have infected him. Very sad. What job did the father do?

The article didn't say.

 

[tresir2012]

Folks attending have likely been taking Tylenol prior to getting in. IMO

To keep their temperature down you mean? Oh I would never have even thought of that. It took me a while to even get your post. Devious.

 

[Bravo]

To keep their temperature down you mean? Oh I would never have even thought of that. It took me a while to even get your post. Devious.

Yes that's what I meant

 

[tresir2012]

Indeed. When people say “but the protestors,” I think to myself that the big difference between the spontaneous protests and the President holding a rally and convention inside without social distancing and masks is that he is really the only one in the country, as the leader, who can have a positive influence on people by modeling recommended safe behavior.

That wouldn’t have stopped the protestors (many, many of whom wore masks), but it would set the tone for everyone, including those who resist precautions. The leader of any country, not just the U.S. President, has that responsibility to the citizens to lead by example.
JMO

I think a lot wore masks so they wouldn't be recognised - that's what happened in UK.

 

[margarita25]

Yes that's what I meant

Yeah we talked about this a lot with China. Getting through the checkpoints, etc.