Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #62

[margarita25]

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday said Canada is not in a rush to open its borders “too quickly,” as doing so may spark a second wave of coronavirus cases.

Coronavirus: Lifting Canada’s border closure still too risky, Trudeau says

Oh come on, let us in! Let us in! I’m trying to move into cousin @otto ‘s place in order to avoid all these recalcitrants!!!!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday said Canada is not in a rush to open its borders “too quickly,” as doing so may spark a second wave of coronavirus cases.

Coronavirus: Lifting Canada’s border closure still too risky, Trudeau says

Very diplomatic way of saying their southern cousins can forget about visiting. (I have cousins I feel that way about, too.)

 

[margarita25]

True story

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ahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Very diplomatic way of saying their southern cousins can forget about visiting. (I have cousins I feel that way about, too.)

I know @sillybilly is dying to let us in

Remember SB, I was ROLLING on the floor when the U.S. started getting bad, and I said, “Canadians, don’t come here for your own safety!!” And you said something along the lines of “Don’t worry, we’re not planning a trip to your great country anytime soon!!!”

 

[JerseyGirl]

Phoenix Mayor Gallego: Mask policy won't be enforced at Trump event
Phoenix Mayor Gallego: Mask policy won't be enforced at Trump event

Phoenix City Council implemented a mandatory mask policy for anyone age 6 or older in the state’s largest city in public places when physical distancing isn’t possible. It does not apply as a mandate to religious organizations. Other exceptions include those exercising outdoors while distancing and those with certain medical conditions.

 

[Snoods]

Tracking The Pandemic: Are Coronavirus Cases Rising Or Falling In Your State?

I would think the states with the rising cases would have mandatory mask requirements, but it doesn’t appear to be the case.

The northern states do, but the southern states for some asinine reason do not which makes no sense.

Houston is going to be a huge epicenter at this rate.

I was looking at the Houston coronavirus statistics by day, and thought huh, the huge uptick coincides with the beginning of the George Floyd protests, including any incubation period.

Increasing numbers of Houston residents have reportedly been diagnosed with COVID-19 after attending protests against the death of George Floyd.

Houston resident Shamone Turner told KRIV that she took part in a march to Houston City Hall attended by an estimated 60,000 people about two weeks ago and later tested positive for the virus.

Several friends who accompanied her were also said to have tested positive.

”I could not move out of the bed. I was in the bed just sighing," Turner said. "I definitely don't regret getting the COVID, because I was out there doing the right thing for the right cause."

Houston police reported an uptick in cases after the protests began, with at least 23 officers testing positive since June 6, according to The Houston Chronicle.

That’s a great attitude, not a worry about the others she infected as long as she thinks she was doing the right thing.

https://www.newsweek.com/houston-pr...ronavirus-after-marching-george-floyd-1511066

 

[katydid23]

It doesn't need to be that way. If we had flattened the curve enough, it would have allowed time for treatments and a vaccine to be developed. By following the Sweden model going forward, it is entirely possible that 60-70% will become infected prior to a vaccine, but it didn't have to be that way. With more self control, we could have stretched this out until early 2021, when hopefully a vaccine will exist.

Of course, we have those who now want to go with the "well, what if there is NEVER a vaccine" argument. Which makes it much easier for people to accept the fact that we might as well open up, because it's never going to get better, so we're only hurting ourselves hoping for something to come along. And sure, it is possible that will be the case, but not according to what most scientists are saying. Most seem to believe that an effective vaccine will be in production by 2021, and eventually it will be readily available. I have yet to hear anyone with intelligence say that it is unlikely a vaccine will be developed anytime in the next several years.

How could we stretch this lockdown out until 2021?

Maybe you don't have to make a living to support yourself in lockdown, but most people do.
How can anyone expect to have any businesses, stores, jobs, supply lines, etc, if we stayed locked down until 2021?

 

[MajorHoople]

What reason would I have to go get a Covid test? I have not been sick at all this year. I live in a small, quite isolated community in Montana. There have been about five cases in our county.

So? Why would someone like me even need a test?

Speaking for myself, I agree. Why should I burden the medical system seeking a test that I don't need? I've been self-isolating since February and I haven't been sick. This isn't to say that it would be impossible for me to get Covid in the future. That might happen if I let my guard down.

 

[margarita25]

How could we stretch this lockdown out until 2021?

Maybe you don't have to make a living to support yourself in lockdown, but most people do.
How can anyone expect to have any businesses, stores, jobs, supply lines, etc, if we stayed locked down until 2021?

It’s certainly such a difficult equation to balance.

One thing we do know, is that MANY places that reopened, too many to name, have had to close down again.

The whole idea is to have responsible phased openings, based on current numbers and trends, as is the case with NY.

If opening is not done correctly, then that’s where issues can be exacerbated.

If people don’t even try to help reduce risks and transmission, then the results are even more devastating.

The concept that is missing, imo, is that the more we do our individual parts to help slow the spread, the better chances we have of sustaining and rebuilding the work places. Super spreading surely isn’t the answer.

 

[mickey2942]

How could we stretch this lockdown out until 2021?

Maybe you don't have to make a living to support yourself in lockdown, but most people do.
How can anyone expect to have any businesses, stores, jobs, supply lines, etc, if we stayed locked down until 2021?

I don't see a problem with people going to work, doing social distancing, wearing a mask, and going home.

But, what I have seen in the last month, looks like a bunch of sailors on leave, who have been in a submarine for the last six months. People have been absolutely giddy, gallivanting around, congregating, singing, holding hands, arm in arm. What the heck? Political leaders are encouraging public gatherings. And why don't we all go to Disney World next week?!

Has everyone gone completely mad?!

 

[Spider92]

Anyone seen any statistics, by state, of what percent of the population wears masks in public? Would need to be based on controlled observations. Would love to see it correlated with new case counts.

 

[MimosaMornings]

How are parents supposed to go back to work when they have no childcare?
Not everyone can work from home.

Businesses are opening but childcare is lagging behind due to all the new restrictions and limiting the number of children. People are afraid to tell employers no much longer - they need their jobs to support their family.

So do they ask grandparents who have carefully maintained their isolation?
I don’t see a sustainable outcome.
JMO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Anyone seen any statistics, by state, of what percent of the population wears masks in public? Would need to be based on controlled observations. Would love to see it correlated with new case counts.

I would bet 30% wear masks in Indiana. Just from what I see running all over for work. But they're pretty good about social distance. Carts are still being disinfected as well. Our counts are pretty good. I think we opened up hair salons and such May 11? Current stats at link with historical graphs. Jmo

ISDH - Novel Coronavirus: Indiana COVID-19 Dashboard

 

[margarita25]

How are parents supposed to go back to work when they have no childcare?
Not everyone can work from home.

Businesses are opening but childcare is lagging behind due to all the new restrictions and limiting the number of children. People are afraid to tell employers no much longer - they need their jobs to support their family.

So do they ask grandparents who have carefully maintained their isolation?
I don’t see a sustainable outcome.
JMO

One thing I thought was, um, “ironic”, shall we say, is that in the NBC news video I posted here, there was talk about rally numbers being low “because parents had to stay home with the kids because they were worried about their children’s safety due to dangerous “protestors””.

But they’re not worried about their child getting MIS-C??

No way in HELL I’d take my little child into a high risk situation like that. IMO this is parental negligence. Worse than negligence, it’s blatantly endangering the safety of their CHILD imo.

I’ll tell ya right now, if we see an innocent child contracting MIS-C from that rally (or ANY event including protesting), it’s going to be a SAD, SAD day. Even more sad than it already is, if that’s even possible.

 

[Bailey38]

Well, I have no idea; however, there was a Scripps report a while back which talked about the beach being a potentially risky place - see my post #510 here for reference:

Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #48

Thank you! Interesting.

 

[MrX]

Has everyone gone completely mad?!

Those of us on the other side of the issue say exactly the same thing. And I'm not trying to be funny or glib. We are really angry about this. Those of us that understand that there is a very real possibility that this virus will be with us forever are not going to sit at home, waiting for a day that may never come.

The early mortality rate was the result of a new disease ravaging an at-risk population. Treatment pathways are improving every day, just as we learn more about who is at risk, and why (diabetes, for example, is now "un-managed" diabetes.)

There is probably about a month left, before the dam breaks - eventually more people will look at mortality instead of cases, and when the $600/week checks end, a tsunami of new folks will rejoin society.

 

[margarita25]

How are parents supposed to go back to work when they have no childcare?
Not everyone can work from home.

Businesses are opening but childcare is lagging behind due to all the new restrictions and limiting the number of children. People are afraid to tell employers no much longer - they need their jobs to support their family.

So do they ask grandparents who have carefully maintained their isolation?
I don’t see a sustainable outcome.
JMO

One thing I was blown away by was an article posted here yesterday, which talked about the high number of people who will NOT be returning to work in the fall due to coronavirus concerns. I believe the article was in reference to NYC. This in itself is huge, as it potentially represents a factor relating our economy going forward.

IMO, again, it’s really time to prepare and plan supply-wise, etc. for total excrement to hit the fan, worse than it already is.

I still can’t find chicken or mushroom soup or Clorox wipes or bleach.

This is about the worst time for one to let his/her guard down. It’s time for us WSers to really go back to that place that we were in in February and March as far as getting prepared again, jmo. This is not slowing down. Time to kick it up.

Let’s do another drill that we did before/ stock up on your medications, etc.

moo

 

[jjenny]

"State health authorities said this week that more than 230 cases were tied to an outbreak at the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church in Union County, which held services in defiance of Oregon's stay-at-home order."
236 people got the coronavirus after an Oregon church held services during lockdown — more evidence that religious gatherings are superspreading hot spots

 

[LadyL]

This is cool.

Global Deaths Due to Various Causes and COVID-19

 

[margarita25]

BBM:

"State health authorities said this week that more than 230 cases were tied to an outbreak at the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church in Union County, which held services in defiance of Oregon's stay-at-home order."
236 people got the coronavirus after an Oregon church held services during lockdown — more evidence that religious gatherings are superspreading hot spots

Like we needed any more evidence of this.

We learned this from the Daegu, South Korea cluster (and other church clusters) back in February, or whenever that was.

Eta:

“South Korea announced thousands of coronavirus cases in the space of only a few days in late February. The surge in cases centred mostly around one main cluster from a church in Daegu city. The outbreak initially pushed South Korea’s tally of confirmed cases much higher than anywhere else outside of China and cases there have continued to rise since.“

2019 coronavirus: The Korean clusters

 

[JerseyGirl]

12 states show record spikes in coronavirus cases

Since Friday, 12 states have recorded record highs in new coronavirus cases, an ABC News analysis found.

Using data from The COVID Tracking Project, the outlet confirmed that
Florida,
Texas,
Arizona,
Utah,
South Carolina,
Nevada,
Georgia,
Missouri,
Montana,
California,
Tennessee, and
Oklahoma
all showed rising cases as results came in over the weekend.

bbm