Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #62

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“In fact, the pandemic may not slow during the summer as some experts had hoped it might. Instead of distinct waves — a first wave in the spring, followed by a quieter summer and a second wavein the fall — the nation, still stuck in its first wave, may continue to see the pandemic persist without a summer respite.

“This is more like a forest fire. ... Wherever there is wood to burn, this fire is going to burn. And right now, we have a lot of susceptible people,” Michael Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, warned Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I don’t see this slowing down through the summer or into the fall. ... I think we’re going to just see one very, very difficult forest fire of cases.”“

Social gatherings help fuel rising coronavirus spread in parts of California

eta: I saw the MTP episode yesterday- the speaker above has a book about germs/pandemics, iirc .
:lookingitup:

eta2:
'Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs'
 
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SBM

The people who worked at those restaurants no longer have jobs. The owners of the restaurants no longer have a business. The city no longer collects sales tax from income generated by those restaurants. The owner of the building where the restaurant is housed, no longer collects rent. The closing of any business in a city, impacts the economy of the city---which impacts you---whether you frequented that business often or never.

Two major chain stores in our city closed today. I've never shopped at either of them, nor ever planned to, but I find it troubling that they've closed---and I DO care.

I care about our restaurants too, even though I’m not comfortable eating out. As you describe, it’s a ripple effect. Our small city of 22,000 is very dependent on tourists. The main attraction won’t be open this year. The city already projects an over $6 million budget shortfall this year in restaurant and hotel taxes lost. Budget cuts will affect everyone because every department in the city government will have to lay off employees...police, fire, street repair, etc. Most businesses are individually owned rather than large chains. I expect many to close, even if the four chain stores manage to stay open with layoffs. This will affect many individual families and the character of the town will be seriously altered. Even though we’re retired and are able to stay home, we will certainly feel the effects of economic losses in our town. Sadly, there are no good solutions that balance the economy and public health IMO.
 
  • #343
California:

California Hits New High In COVID-19 Hospitalizations

“Hospitalizations are seen as a more reliable metric for tracking the coronavirus pandemic than new case numbers as the figure does not hinge on the availability of testing. Before Saturday set a high of 3,574, the previous record was on April 29, when 3,497 people were hospitalized in the state.

The rise in hospitalizations comes as California has entered stage two of its reopening plan, allowing some businesses to resume operations, including retail, offices, personal services and child care.

The majority of new cases in the state are in Southern California and the Central Valley. Los Angeles County has the most hospitalized patients — 1,515 — followed by Orange and Riverside counties.”“

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Gov. Newsom delivers sobering update about COVID-19 in California as businesses begin to reopen

“Newsom said that California is still in the middle of the first wave of the virus.

“Those that suggest that we’re out of the woods, those that suggest this is somehow going to disappear, these numbers tell a very, very different and sobering story,” Newsom said.“

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“Governor Newsom made it very clear how we can get those numbers to go back down.“

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“Newsom also provided new figures on California’s finances, the state is facing a $54.3-billion budget deficit due to the economic challenges presented by the pandemic.“



Newsom: Report California restaurants for shirking COVID rules

“As the new daily case counts in the state continued to climb in recent weeks, Newsom harped on the need to be vigilant in reopening efforts across the state.

“It is your individual decision making that will determine our fate and or future,” he said in a Monday afternoon address.“

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““The reason we’re doing this is simple. Wearing face coverings saves lives and mitigates spread,” Newsom said during his Monday press conference. “As we reopen, all I ask is that we are more vigilant than we have been.”“

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article243719082.html

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https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article243727272.html

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First COVID-19 case in California Capitol after staffer tests positive

“An Assembly employee tested positive for COVID-19, marking the first confirmed case of the novel coronavirus in the state Capitol, according to an email sent to legislative staffers Monday.“

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Avenal inmate is 19th California prisoner to die after contracting coronavirus

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“As counties discuss bringing back everything from zoos to tattoo parlors, many residents and public health officers are worried change is happening too fast, and without a clear idea of the impact.

“The problem is we’re not seeing the kind of flattening we would like,” said Dr. Lee Riley, an infectious disease expert at UC Berkeley.

Riley said hospitalization numbers are more telling than case numbers in terms of how the virus is behaving.

“The fact that there’s also an increase in the number of hospitalizations suggests that it’s not just because of the testing," he said. "That means that there are more transmissions occurring.”“

https://www.capradio.org/articles/2...as-california-covid-19-hospitalizations-rise/

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Imo, California’s Governor has really shown strong leadership and assertiveness, and has been really responsible, responsive and proactive since the beginning. I’ve been quite impressed with him since the start, jmo. There was one comment which he made a few months ago which I especially appreciated, “My job as Governor is to help keep to you all safe”.
 
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Even asymptomatic patients need to open their eyes! COVID (could be a ticking time bomb)

MOO- People need to stop "gatherings". Wear a mask, shop and get what you need when necessary.
Visit a friend outdoors wearing a mask observing social distance.

Or... sit outside a closed window on your cell... no mask needed.

IMO this virus will have long term consequences, even with little to no symptoms.
The 20 (something) crowd needs to pay attention to what the scientific community is telling them!
They are also spreading COVID while asymptomatic.
"When they say ’recovered,’ they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant,”
"Or that you may come back after discharge with a massive heart attack or stroke, because COVID makes your blood thick as hell. Or that you may have to be on oxygen for the rest of your life.”
What they don't tell you about surviving COVID-19
 
  • #346
This is what is so infuriating to those of us that are out there trying to keep the world turning. I used to want to scream when someone said they were staying home for another week because "next week will be one week 'safer' than this week." Well, as most of us knew, that was never going to be the case. So now they sit at home hoping that the rest of us will keep their restaurants and bars and music venues and galleries and museums afloat until some magical "cure" makes everything "OK." I've given up on them - it's time to fill the void. Good to see some like-minded members - sometimes the endless hysteria gets a bit soul crushing.
ITA. We cannot stay in lockdown forever. UK is opening up and people have to realise, we actually only closed down so hospital beds would not be overwhelmed, which happens every winter with flu'. If hospitals are coping, we will be open IMO.

Just adding a link to a Guardian article that comments on UK Gov 2011, flu' pandemic planning for reference regarding my flu comments.

What are the UK's plans for dealing with a pandemic virus?
 
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“In fact, the pandemic may not slow during the summer as some experts had hoped it might. Instead of distinct waves — a first wave in the spring, followed by a quieter summer and a second wavein the fall — the nation, still stuck in its first wave, may continue to see the pandemic persist without a summer respite.

“This is more like a forest fire. ... Wherever there is wood to burn, this fire is going to burn. And right now, we have a lot of susceptible people,” Michael Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, warned Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I don’t see this slowing down through the summer or into the fall. ... I think we’re going to just see one very, very difficult forest fire of cases.”“

Social gatherings help fuel rising coronavirus spread in parts of California

eta: I saw the MTP episode yesterday- the speaker above has a book about germs/pandemics, iirc .
:lookingitup:

eta2:
'Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs'

We have just passed Midsummers day and we are really low in Wales and the UK. We flattened the curve weeks ago and are heading downhill. Barring too many more social gatherings, we can look forward to a tourist season, at least for a couple of months, then time to reevaluate, if an anticipated vaccine does not materialise.

How many confirmed cases are there in your area?

Downward trend in daily deaths continues
The new coronavirus, which causes the disease Covid-19, was first confirmed in the UK at the end of January, but the number of daily confirmed cases and related deaths only began to increase significantly by the second half of March.

The UK has the highest official death toll in Europe and the third highest in the world, after the US and Brazil. However, the government and many experts say it is too soon to make international comparisons.

On Monday the government announced a further 15 deaths - the lowest daily death toll since 15 March.

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The majority of the UK's deaths have been in England, with around 38,000 so far - about 90% of the total for the UK.

In Scotland, the official government figure for deaths is 2,472, but data on death registrations from the National Records of Scotland (NRS) suggests it had reached nearly 4,070 by 14 June. Both sets of figures show the number of new deaths related to coronavirus in Scotland has been declining for seven weeks.

No new deaths were reported in Scotland or Northern Ireland on Monday for a second day running.

In Wales, the death toll increased by one, to 1,478.

Last week's figures from the ONS show that while the number of reported deaths in the UK for the week to 5 June rose slightly, it remains close to the normal range for the time of year.

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More at link


It is so encouraging to see those graphs fall like that.

 
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Qmfr / for clarity: I’m reading this back and realize I was not clear in my quote in the first paragraph. What I meant was that it was stated in a video that parents didn’t want to bring their kids to the rally because they were afraid of the protestors there)



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Let’s see what the latest is on MIS-C...

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Eta / new msm (SMDH):

Geisinger Doc: MIS-C can be subtle, keep children away from big crowds |

Gee ya think!?

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Requesting permission from @sillybilly for a thread on MIS-C? Tia.

Do you have a MSM link for the first para?
 
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Good post. Guess you may call me a pessimist because I am not seeing a good way out of COVID-19. The virus is again taking hold, rising in 24 states as of today, and we are not yet to phase two.
How to survive? People survived during the Great Depression, but, of course, the virus is pushing us beyond 1929 economics. Survival is going to be trying both physical and economics, and many are unprepared. Wish us luck.
Maybe those states haven't peaked yet like NY and NJ . I hope those states can cope. I trust we have turned the corner in the UK so good luck while we await the vaccine and/or the second wave.
 
  • #350
French defy lockdown with annual music festival

Thousands of people gathered across France on Sunday to celebrate an annual music festival, defying coronavirus lockdown restrictions.

Revellers ignored social distancing rules and danced in the streets for the Fête de la Musique, known as Music Day in English.

Police clashed with some revellers in Paris and with demonstrators in Nantes, using tear gas against protesters.

Images posted online of the celebrations drew sharp criticism.

France has eased many of its coronavirus restrictions. President Emmanuel Macron declared a "first victory" over the virus earlier this month, and on Monday schools reopened for all pupils under the age of 15.

But there are worries the government is lifting the lockdown too quickly. France has confirmed 160,377 cases of the virus and 29,640 deaths - the fifth-highest tally worldwide.

What happened on Sunday?
Millions of French people usually pour onto the streets for the annual event, celebrating at official events and also with impromptu concerts.

Health minister Olivier Véran asked people to "continue to respect [social distancing measures] in all circumstances, to protect yourself and your loved ones".

But images posted online showed thousands thronging roads in cities across the country - including in the Canal Saint Martin and Marais districts in Paris - ignoring distancing rules and largely partying without face masks. Current rules prohibit public gatherings of more than 10 people.

People celebrated well into the night and early into Monday morning. At Les Invalides in Paris police fired tear gas to disperse crowds after some threw projectiles.

In the end, seven people were arrested in the capital.

In France people are supposed to maintain 1m (3.3ft) distance from each other in public, masks are required on all public transport and gatherings of 5,000 or more will not be allowed until 31 August at the earliest.

Image Copyright @RemyBuisine@REMYBUISINE
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In Nantes, there was also a demonstration in memory of Steve Maia Caniço, a 24-year-old who drowned in the river during last year's festival, following a police raid on a free concert.

Thousands marched through the city and eventually clashed with officers.

More at link.

UK is close behind France in the pandemic so it will be interesting to watch their stats over the next few weeks. They are allowing crowds back for Sport Stadiums in July.
 
  • #351
I care about our restaurants too, even though I’m not comfortable eating out. As you describe, it’s a ripple effect. Our small city of 22,000 is very dependent on tourists. The main attraction won’t be open this year. The city already projects an over $6 million budget shortfall this year in restaurant and hotel taxes lost. Budget cuts will affect everyone because every department in the city government will have to lay off employees...police, fire, street repair, etc. Most businesses are individually owned rather than large chains. I expect many to close, even if the four chain stores manage to stay open with layoffs. This will affect many individual families and the character of the town will be seriously altered. Even though we’re retired and are able to stay home, we will certainly feel the effects of economic losses in our town. Sadly, there are no good solutions that balance the economy and public health IMO.
It's awful how COVID-19 is impacting businesses, but concern for health just isn't going away. Since March 10, we have gone to two outside casual patio restaurants and Subway twice, and each time we were concerned. How many who work in restaurants and hotels are asymptomatic? Social distancing at restaurants and cleaning isn't going to help in such situations. Yes. We are thinking of ourselves over others and businesses.
 
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German district sees lockdown return as country tries to suppress regional outbreaks

A district in Germany where there has been an acute outbreak of coronavirus cases at a meat-processing plant is being put back into lockdown, the premier of North Rhine-Westfalia said Tuesday.

State premier Armin Laschet said he was putting the district of Guetersloh, home to around 360,000 people, back under lockdown until June 30. The move comes after at least 1,000 workers at a meat processing plant in the area contracted Covid-19.

Bars, museums, galleries, cinemas, sports halls, gyms and swimming pools in Guetersloh will now be closed, and picnics and barbecues prohibited, according to Reuters.
 
  • #353
House panel set to grill Anthony Fauci, CDC director on Trump's coronavirus response as states see spikes

Dr. Anthony Fauci is among those scheduled to testify before House lawmakers on Tuesday about the Trump administration's coronavirus response, a hearing that comes as states working to reopen their economies have seen a spike in COVID-19 cases.

Fauci, the top infectious-disease expert at the National Institutes of Health will appear before the House Energy and Commerce Committee. He will be joined by Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention; Stephen Hahn, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration; and Brett Giroir, assistant secretary for health for Health and Human Services.

The hearing comes as states ramp up reopening efforts and a growing number see spikes in the number of cases – such as Florida, which recently reported a record number of daily cases.

Coronavirus has infected 2.3 million Americans and killed more than 120,000.

Fauci was last on Capitol Hill in May, when he testified before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee and warned senators that reopening efforts by states needed to be done cautiously because it presents a "real risk that you will trigger an outbreak."

At the time, the White House made Fauci available to testify before the Republican-controlled Senate but did not for the Democratic-controlled House. After Fauci was barred from appearing before House lawmakers, Trump called the House a "bunch of Trump haters."
 
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House panel set to grill Anthony Fauci, CDC director on Trump's coronavirus response as states see spikes

Dr. Anthony Fauci is among those scheduled to testify before House lawmakers on Tuesday about the Trump administration's coronavirus response, a hearing that comes as states working to reopen their economies have seen a spike in COVID-19 cases.

Fauci, the top infectious-disease expert at the National Institutes of Health will appear before the House Energy and Commerce Committee. He will be joined by Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention; Stephen Hahn, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration; and Brett Giroir, assistant secretary for health for Health and Human Services.

The hearing comes as states ramp up reopening efforts and a growing number see spikes in the number of cases – such as Florida, which recently reported a record number of daily cases.

Coronavirus has infected 2.3 million Americans and killed more than 120,000.

Fauci was last on Capitol Hill in May, when he testified before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee and warned senators that reopening efforts by states needed to be done cautiously because it presents a "real risk that you will trigger an outbreak."

At the time, the White House made Fauci available to testify before the Republican-controlled Senate but did not for the Democratic-controlled House. After Fauci was barred from appearing before House lawmakers, Trump called the House a "bunch of Trump haters."

Fantastic.

When will this occur?
 
  • #355
Yesterday:

British men's number one Dan Evans says Novak Djokovic should "feel some responsibility" after Grigor Dimitrov, Borna Coric and Viktor Troicki all tested positive for Covid-19 after playing at his Adria Tour event.

Bulgaria's Dimitrov played Croatia's Coric on Saturday in the second leg of the world number one's event in Zadar, Croatia.

Andy Murray says it has been a "lesson for us all", while Nick Kyrgios says it was a "bone-headed decision" to play.

"I just think it's a poor example to set," said Evans.

'Djokovic should feel responsibility'


Today:

World number one Novak Djokovic has become the latest tennis player to test positive for Covid-19.

 
  • #356
Fantastic.

When will this occur?

Today starting at about 11:00 a.m. Eastern. Here is a link:

Watch Live: Fauci, Redfield To Testify On Trump Administration's COVID-19 Response

The committee's Democrats will likely press the witnesses for details on why the federal response has not been more effective, and whether Trump prevented health experts from taking action sooner.

At his campaign rally on Saturday in Tulsa, Okla., Trump said that he told his administration to "slow the testing down" for the coronavirus. McEnany praised the president's response. "We could have lost 3 million lives but we lost far fewer because Trump took action early," she told reporters.

The witnesses' prepared testimony suggests they may seek to highlight the expanded availability of testing, the numerous briefings between White House officials and state governors to coordinate a response, and the ongoing efforts to develop tests and treatments and vaccines for the coronavirus.
 
  • #357
I care about our restaurants too, even though I’m not comfortable eating out. As you describe, it’s a ripple effect. Our small city of 22,000 is very dependent on tourists. The main attraction won’t be open this year. The city already projects an over $6 million budget shortfall this year in restaurant and hotel taxes lost. Budget cuts will affect everyone because every department in the city government will have to lay off employees...police, fire, street repair, etc. Most businesses are individually owned rather than large chains. I expect many to close, even if the four chain stores manage to stay open with layoffs. This will affect many individual families and the character of the town will be seriously altered. Even though we’re retired and are able to stay home, we will certainly feel the effects of economic losses in our town. Sadly, there are no good solutions that balance the economy and public health IMO.
I wonder too, as here in NJ, if a gradual opening of restaurants, businesses, pools, etc will make any difference to a full blown opening of same. I like to think it will and that our gov has been carefully releasing us all back into a somewhat normal life.

For example, restaurants were at first only curbside and delivery, then last week they could start seating people outside. July 2, they will be able to seat inside with distances between tables. Masks have normally been required anywhere and everywhere when inside a business or close to others not in immediate family.

As this virus seems here to stay for a duration, I suspect the gradual openings are mainly to slow the spread and ease/prevent more burdens on the health care institutions.
 
  • #358
UK protesters accuse police of targeting black people during lockdown

As well as showing solidarity with demonstrators in the US, Britons have expressed anger and frustration at the increased use of stop and search during the lockdown in areas with large black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) populations.

Anti-lockdown protests aren’t just an American thing. They’re a global phenomenon.

Am wondering if this is why most of Europe are out of lockdown now? Once citizens all over the world started protesting I think governments realised they had to start easing up. One recent protest was in the Hague (link already previously posted).
 
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Old news from June 1, right after the killing of George Floyd.
You should wait till I have finished posting and have made my point first IMO.
And I don't call 3 weeks ago old news anyway. This virus can take 14 days to show symptoms or longer.
 
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