I came across a 3+ hour podcast that provides a lot more context for these crimes on the YouTube channel Missing PNW Crimes Revisited. Here's the link:
The podcast features Lorey Oliver, who is a close friend of Joseph Cristobal. The information presented by Lorey consists primarily of her personal recollections and second-hand accounts relayed to her by Joseph. As such, approach these statements with significant caution. The claims are anecdotal, uncorroborated within this context, and constitute hearsay. Furthermore, their reliability may be impacted by the subjective perspectives of the individuals involved and the significant passage of time since the events occurred. The following is a summary of these allegations, presented as they were in the interview for analytical review.
Background: How Lorey Met Joseph: Lorey explains that she met Joseph after he sought help regarding Terri (0:03:03). Joseph first contacted Stacey Green, a well-known advocate in the Kyron Horman case (0:03:03). Since Joseph was in California, Stacey told him about Lorey, referring to her as a "California supporter that's very active" (0:03:11). Following Stacey's recommendation, Joseph contacted Lorey via Facebook (0:03:16). Their first face-to-face meeting occurred at the courthouse during Joseph's first hearing for the restraining order against Terri (0:04:05).
When Lorey first met Joseph in person at the courthouse, her initial impression was that he might be mentally ill (0:04:45). She states, "he was just talking in circles and my brain could not even keep up... half of me thought he was a little bit mentally ill at my first meeting" (0:04:18 - 0:04:53). However, as she got to know him, she revised her assessment completely, realizing, "he was not mentally ill not at all he was just a very frightened individual" (0:08:55 - 0:09:00). This highlights the profound psychological distress and confusion Terri's alleged abuse inflicted on upon him.
Terri's Relationships: Lorey suggests that Terri was simultaneously involved with two men (0:12:21). She was living with one man, a military service member (0:12:32). At the same time, she was dating a co-worker, Joseph (0:12:21). Lorey admits she does not know the specifics of how Terri met the military man she was living with, but clarifies their relationship was "more than roommates" (0:13:03). Lorey also states that Terri and Joseph met through their job (0:21:43). They both worked for the same home healthcare company, where Joseph held a lower-level supervisory position (0:21:48). Lorey suggests their relationship began after Terri started working there and began flirting with him (0:22:38).
Firearm Theft: Lorey explains that the military man was often away for his service (0:12:39). She recounts that he made the mistake of showing Terri where he kept his handgun, allegedly because Terri was feigning that she felt unsafe and that people were after her (0:12:45 - 0:12:52). Lorey is clear that he showed it to her out of concern but "did not give her permission to remove it from that house" (0:13:31 - 0:13:39).
Lorey recounts a story from Joseph where Terri had invited him over to the military man's house. Terri was in a panic because she was "about to get caught at something" (1:06:38 - 1:06:44). Lorey speculates on the exact trigger, saying, "maybe the other guy was gonna come home or she thought something was going on like that" (1:06:44 - 1:06:52). In this panicked state, presumably while trying to rush Joseph out of the house before her other boyfriend arrived, "she ended up slamming his hand in that door" (1:06:52). Terri allegedly slammed Joseph's hand in the door so forcefully that it broke his hand, broke the skin, and caused him to bleed "all over the place" (1:06:59 - 1:07:04). This injury was so severe that Terri and Joseph had to go to the emergency room, and Joseph later had to "wear a cast for a while" (1:05:33 - 1:05:40).
At the hospital, the staff suspected Joseph was a victim of abuse (1:08:04). According to Lorey, even though "Joseph was willing to cover up" for Terri, his "body language was telling the hospital... that he was an abuse victim of hers so they... got the police involved" (1:07:58 - 1:08:16). This means the hospital officially reported the incident to the police as a possible assault (1:07:50). When the military man returned home, he found bloodstains but didn't know what had happened (1:07:10 - 1:07:15). He contacted the police, likely out of concern for Terri. It was then that the police informed him that they had "a report on a possible assault from her" that had been called in by the hospital (1:07:50 - 1:07:58). This new information, combined with the blood in his house, prompted him to check on his handgun, at which point he discovered it was missing and reported it stolen (1:07:22 - 1:07:32). This report of the stolen firearm is what would have led to the warrant for Terri's arrest.
Source:
Terri Horman to appear in California court on gun charges
Terri's official explanation of the broken hand was that the entire event was a complete accident (1:05:46). However, Joseph did not believe her. Lorey states that even at the time, "he had always thought that was an intentional act on her part even though she claimed it was an accident" (1:05:40 - 1:05:46). This highlights a key aspect of their dynamic: Terri would allegedly commit an act of violence and then immediately dismiss it as a mistake, while Joseph was left believing he had been deliberately harmed.
Restraining Order: According to what Joseph told Lorey, the knife incident was a direct result of him mentioning the Kyron Horman case (1:11:46). At what Lorey believes was a Thanksgiving gathering, Joseph brought up the case in front of other people, which caught Terri off guard (1:11:52). Later, when they were in the kitchen alone, she allegedly held a knife to him and threatened him, saying, "don't you ever bring up that case again" (1:29:52 - 1:29:58). Lorey suggests this was the final act that prompted a terrified Joseph to file for the domestic violence restraining order (1:30:04).
Source:
Kyron Horman's stepmother accused of domestic violence
Car Theft: Lorey explains that Terri convinced Joseph, who already owned a Mercedes, to upgrade to a newer model (1:32:32 - 1:32:43). Joseph intended to pay for the new car with cash he had saved (1:33:10). Lorey alleges that while Joseph went to the bank to get the money, Terri persuaded the salesman to change the ownership paperwork to list only her name (1:33:45 - 1:33:52). To conceal this, Lorey claims Terri had the dealership use her aunt's mailing address for the title (1:34:00). Consequently, when Joseph would come home from work each day looking for the pink slip in the mail, Terri would simply tell him it hadn't arrived yet, all while the title had been delivered to her aunt's house in her name (1:34:06 - 1:34:23). After Terri was arrested for the stolen car at the home of her new landlord, the landlord asked her what happened (1:36:10). Terri allegedly fabricated a story on the spot, saying, "oh there was just a little confusion you know that my aunt thought the car was stolen..." (1:36:15 - 1:36:21). This demonstrates an ability to lie calmly and convincingly, even immediately following a serious police incident.
When Joseph recovered the stolen Mercedes, he found a bracelet inside that Terri had left behind (2:05:09). The bracelet was engraved with the words "Mother and Daughter Everlasting Bond" (2:04:45). Lorey states her belief that the bracelet was a gift from Terri's own mother to remind her of her bond with her daughter, Kiara, whom she wasn't seeing (2:06:18). Joseph claimed Terri had previously acted as if the bracelet was "very meaningful to her" (2:07:13). The fact that she so carelessly abandoned an object meant to symbolize her most important maternal bond provides significant insight into her character and capacity for genuine attachment.
Source:
Terri Horman Arrested for Third Time in 2016
Connection to Kyron Horman Case: Lorey describes how Terri slowly revealed her connection to the Kyron Horman case, first calling it an obsession in Oregon (0:27:18), then claiming to be a relative (0:27:52), and finally admitting to being the stepmother (0:28:10), all while portraying herself as a victim. Lorey also believes Joseph was a victim of chronic gaslighting, which left him confused, scared, and initially questioning his own perceptions of her behavior (1:09:59).
Financial Motivation for Publicity: Joseph allegedly told Lorey that Terri's primary motivation for appearing on the Dr. Phil show was financial (1:13:00). He claimed Terri told him, "well they've (Kaine and Desiree) made enough money off of it, it's time for me to make some money off of it" (1:13:00 - 1:13:09).
Preparation for Dr. Phil: A prime example of her calculated nature, according to Lorey, was Terri’s preparation for her appearance on the Dr. Phil show. Joseph allegedly told Lorey that Terri would only agree to do the interview if the show provided her with the questions in advance (0:28:55). For a month straight, she obsessively rehearsed her answers (0:30:00), practicing them in the bathtub and trying out "different tones, different ways, different... wordage" to see what sounded best (0:29:21 - 0:29:33). This plan backfired when Dr. Phil switched the questions on her during the actual taping (0:30:52). Because she was unprepared, Terri became visibly tense and uncomfortable (0:31:06). Lorey makes the shocking claim that Joseph told her Terri was so rattled and "shook up" by the unexpected questions that she "literally wets her pants" either during or immediately after the show (0:31:47 - 0:31:54).
Source:
Terri Horman was on Dr. Phil's show Wednesday, will appear again Thursday
Plot to Harm Stacey Green: Lorey recounts a particularly disturbing story from Joseph, which she presents as a prime example of Terri's alleged use of sexual manipulation (0:47:21). Joseph claimed to Lorey that one night, immediately after a moment of intimacy as they were "cuddling and talking" (0:47:29 - 0:47:35), Terri began trying to persuade him to murder Stacey Green, a vocal online advocate for Kyron (0:47:40 - 0:47:54). Lorey recounts that Terri instructed him to go to Idaho, where he could buy a gun without the same background checks, and then use it to kill Stacey (0:50:02 - 0:50:13). According to what Joseph told Lorey, he immediately refused the plot, telling Terri that she was "acting crazy and irrational" and that there was "no way was he ever going to do something like that" (0:50:29 - 0:50:38).
Financial Fraud: Lorey alleges that Terri financially ruined Joseph. She claims Terri took out numerous credit cards by forging his name on the applications (1:34:41 - 1:34:46). To hide this, Terri allegedly rented a private mailbox and had the bills sent there so Joseph would not see them (1:43:23 - 1:43:41). Lorey states Terri ran up all the cards and also regularly asked Joseph to pay her child support for her daughter, Kiara, because she couldn't afford the minimal monthly amount (0:37:08 - 0:37:19).
Use of Burner Phone: Joseph concluded Terri was using a burner phone by observing her pattern of secretive behavior (2:16:43). He told Lorey that Terri would frequently go outside to sit in her car to make private calls, leading him to believe she was intentionally hiding conversations from him on a separate, unknown device (2:17:05 - 2:17:12).
Betrayal of Supporters: Lorey suggests Terri has a pattern of turning on even her most loyal supporters. Lorey mentions Sandi Lessman, who was once a "staunch supporter" and "best friend" (0:08:10, 0:11:02). However, Lorey claims she heard that Terri "screwed Sandi over by stealing her son's money and then sleeping with him," leading to a falling out (1:11:29 - 1:11:44).
Speaking in Code: According to Joseph, Terri used coded language with her family and supporters to communicate secretly (2:15:19 - 2:15:33). Lorey gives the example of the phrase "sound the alarms," which she was told was a predetermined signal meaning that Terri believed she was about to be taken into police custody (2:15:48 - 2:15:54).
Computer Left Behind: Lorey explains that when Terri abruptly left Joseph's home for good, she abandoned her personal computer (0:26:31). This computer became a key source of insight for Joseph, and later, for Lorey and an investigative reporter (0:09:15). Lorey states that she, Joseph, and investigative reporter Thom Jensen (whom covered Kyron's case) spent hours going through the computer's contents together (0:26:26 - 0:26:31).
They discovered the "cucumber video": a graphic, self-made video of a "younger version of herself (Terri) with this cucumber" (0:43:51 - 0:44:03). Lorey was shocked, but Thom Jensen, the reporter, stated he had seen the video before during his time investigating the case in Portland (0:45:13), linking it to communications with Michael Cook (0:45:26).
Source:
Kaine Horman accuses wife of having affair
Joseph found a "very bizarre story" that Terri had written on the computer (1:04:41). It was a fictional piece about a missing boy where everyone suspects a particular woman, but in the end, "she turns out to be the hero of the day" and vindicates herself (1:05:09 - 1:05:19).
Lorey also mentions finding "a lot of nude pictures of herself (Terri)" on the device (1:28:40).
Lorey confirms that detectives from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office flew to California to interview Joseph in person (0:52:02). During that visit, Joseph gave them the computer (0:52:02, 0:54:37). However, after law enforcement returned the computer to him, Joseph became convinced that they had tampered with it (0:54:53). Lorey states that he "swore that certain files had been deleted from it" (0:54:43). Joseph's suspicion was fueled by a manipulative story Terri had told him: she claimed the Kyron investigation was stalled because she'd had sexual relationships with married officers at the sheriff's department and was using that as leverage to ensure they would protect her (0:52:11 - 0:52:29). While Lorey did not believe this, it explains why Joseph was paranoid and accused law enforcement of deleting evidence from the computer.
Terri Speaks Spanish: Lorey makes a definitive claim that Terri speaks Spanish (2:13:23). This point is raised as a significant piece of information with direct implications for the Kyron Horman case. Lorey states, "she absolutely speaks Spanish... she spoke Spanish way back when she was with Kaine" (2:13:23 - 2:13:30). When one of the hosts asks how she can confirm this, Lorey replies, "I can confirm it through Joseph" (2:14:55). The topic first arises when the group discusses Terri's recent travels to Mexico. Lorey speculates that Terri might be establishing an escape route, noting, "...because you know she speaks Spanish... we know that she's married to a Hispanic man... she speaks Spanish" (2:12:51 - 2:12:56). Lorey speculates that because both of Terri's parents were teachers, they likely encouraged her to learn it in high school and college for the career advantages it would provide (2:13:36 - 2:13:50). Another host adds to this, suggesting that since Terri's own specialty in teaching was language, "it would make sense that language and getting a dual language was important to her" (2:13:58 - 2:14:09).
Source:
2018: Terri Horman, Kyron Horman's stepmother, remarries in Nevada
The podcast hosts note that one of the arguments used by Terri's supporters to discredit the murder-for-hire plot allegation involving the landscaper (Rodolfo Sanchez) was a supposed language barrier (2:14:22). The supporters claimed Terri couldn't have asked him to kill Kaine because "he didn't speak English and she didn't speak Spanish" (2:14:27). Lorey's confirmation that Terri does speak Spanish directly refutes that defense and eliminates the language barrier as an obstacle in that alleged plot.
Source:
Landscaper wore wire, asked Terri Horman for $10,000 in murder-for-hire plot, sources say
Motive for Kyron's Disappearance: Lorey presents a theory that Kyron’s disappearance was a calculated act of revenge by Terri, designed to inflict pain on multiple people simultaneously (2:58:23). Lorey makes the significant claim that Terri had applied for a teaching position at Skyline Elementary School (0:22:10). The job was instead given to Kyron's teacher at the time, Ms. Porter, whom Terri reportedly "resented" (0:22:10). Lorey states that the reason Terri was not hired by the school was that she had a prior DUI and a "child endangerment charge on (her) record that (she) pled guilty to" (0:22:17 - 0:22:25). Lorey speculates that by making Kyron disappear from the school, Terri intended to hurt not only the teacher who got the job she wanted but also the school itself, which she potentially planned to sue for negligence (2:58:56 - 2:59:01, 2:56:29). This act would also serve as the ultimate revenge against her husband, Kaine, and Kyron's mother, Desiree, whom Terri was allegedly jealous of (2:58:29 - 2:58:42).
Source:
Kyron Horman's blended family: Friends describe a close, supportive group
Timing of Kyron's Disappearance: Lorey offers an explanation for the specific timing of the disappearance, suggesting Terri needed to silence Kyron before he could reveal something (2:26:58). Lorey believes that Kyron, at age seven, was becoming old enough to be aware of Terri's "inappropriate" behavior, potentially including her relationship with the landscaper (2:26:42, 2:28:57). Terri had claimed that Kyron was exhibiting strange behavior, such as coming into a room, staring blankly, and leaving (2:26:00). Lorey reinterprets this, suggesting Kyron was working up the nerve to confront Terri or tell his father what he knew, but would lose his nerve and leave (2:26:13 - 2:26:35). Lorey theorizes that Terri realized Kyron was on the verge of talking (2:29:22). Since he was scheduled to be with Desiree that weekend, Terri knew she had to act immediately to prevent him from revealing what he knew to his mother (2:29:28 - 2:29:34).
Threat to Sell Kyron: Lorey states that before Kyron's disappearance, Terri once threatened Kaine directly regarding his son (0:58:11). She allegedly told him, "I could put him into the sex trade, and there'd be nothing you could do, and you'd never find him" (0:58:18 - 0:58:23). This provides a disturbing precedent for Terri viewing Kyron as a pawn to be used or disposed of to hurt Kaine.
Stealing from Dementia Patients: Joseph allegedly suspected Terri of stealing from the vulnerable clients she was assigned to in her home healthcare job (0:37:31). He specifically believed a necklace Terri wore on the Dr. Phil show was stolen from one of her dementia patients (0:38:09 - 0:38:15).
Speculation of Online Solicitation: Lorey recounts that she and reporter Thom Jensen were sent a Craigslist ad by Joseph (1:56:33). The ad featured a partially obscured photo of a woman who looked very similar to Terri, bent over a bed and advertising a "good time" (1:57:08 - 1:58:12). While Lorey is careful to state they could not be 100% certain it was Terri, she suspected it was a method for Terri to meet married men whom she could later manipulate or blackmail (1:58:55, 1:59:12).
Ego and Conquest: The video offers a specific motive for Terri's alleged affairs with married men. Joseph told Lorey that Terri "...enjoyed getting a married man in bed with her because it made her feel like she was a better woman than the wife was... that every married man she could get to participate was another... feed to her ego" (2:00:44 - 2:01:05). This detail strengthens the theory that her actions toward Desiree were driven not just by jealousy, but by a deeper, pathological need for conquest and validation.
Joseph's Fear and Desperation: Lorey paints a vivid picture of Joseph's state of terror after his relationship with Terri ended. She emphasizes that he was "absolutely terrified of her" and this fear drove him to desperation (1:31:27). Joseph was effectively homeless and "couch surfing between friends," but his friends were also afraid and kept telling him, "we can't have you bringing your danger here" (1:47:36 - 1:47:41). He felt he couldn't even go near his own family because he "didn't know what she was capable of" (1:49:19). This desperation led him to repeatedly ask Lorey for help. He first asked if he could hide the recovered Mercedes on her property, mistakenly believing she had a large barn (1:44:24). He then went further, "wanting to hide out at my house" (1:44:44). Lorey states that he didn't just ask, "he begged me, I mean begged me... I believe he was terrified, I do" (1:47:18 - 1:47:23).
Despite believing his fear was genuine, Lorey had to refuse his requests. Her decision was based on a chillingly logical assessment of Terri's character. Lorey explains that because she knew Terri had a history of manipulating men to do her "dirty work" (1:45:14), citing the murder-for-hire plot against Kaine and the alleged plot against Stacey Green, she "could not be absolutely sure that I wasn't being set up to be the victim" (1:45:53 - 1:45:59). She feared that if she helped Joseph and introduced him to her property and her guard dogs, it could be part of an elaborate ploy by Terri to target her.
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In conclusion, the extraordinary claims recounted by Lorey, while anecdotal, create a coherent narrative that contextualizes many of the publicly reported events from that period. The alleged pattern of manipulation, violence, and fraud, if true, offer a plausible context for the series of legal troubles she faced, which included the firearm theft charge, the domestic violence restraining order filed against her, and her subsequent arrest for driving a stolen vehicle. This raises a critical, inquisitive question: Does this alleged pattern of behavior in California provide a framework for understanding the events that transpired in Oregon on June 4, 2010? While this account does not constitute proof, it offers a compelling, albeit disturbing, psychological portrait that invites further scrutiny.
