Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #62

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I'm a product of this advice handed down by Grandmoms and Great-grandmoms that taught us to dab mucus membranes inside the nostrils with salt water every cold and flu season. I'd say our effective rate to not pass on a virus to family members was more than double the published rate. Mom always knows best!

Could SALT WATER fight Covid-19? Sottish scientists begin gargling trial | Daily Mail Online

June 25, 2020

Professor Aziz Sheikh, director of Edinburgh University’s Usher Institute, said: 'We are now moving to trial our salt water intervention in those with suspected or confirmed Covid-19, and hope it will prove to be a useful measure to reduce the impact and spread of the infection.

HOW COULD GARGLING SALT WATER TREAT THE CORONAVIRUS?
Researchers at Edinburgh University trialled saltwater gargling and 'nasal irrigation' in a trial on people with upper respiratory tract infections, otherwise known as coughs and colds, and found it reduced their symptoms and the length of their illness.

Their study, published in the journal Scientific Reports last year, found 93 per cent of people said gargling reduced their symptoms, their illnesses lasted two days less, on average, and they were 35 per cent less likely to pass it on to a family member.

Scientists hope the cheap, simple therapy could have similar benefits for people with the coronavirus, reducing the severity of their cough and preventing the illness from worsening.

Explaining how the salt could achieve this effect, the study said direct contact with salt may have a toxic effect on the viruses themselves and damage or kill them.

It may also stimulate 'innate immune mechanisms' inside cells in the airways, they suggested, effectively boosting the body's own ability to fight off infection.

Salt may also be soaked up and used by the body's cells to create a chemical called hypochlorous acid which is found in bleach and known to kill viruses, the researchers said.

Thank you for this link. I always gargle with salt water when I have a sore throat, and it helps. My DH and I always have bottles of saline nasal spray on hand, and he also uses nasal irrigation every day to help his allergies. I will say that frequent use of saline nasal spray once flu symptoms started for me a couple of years ago did not keep me from getting a bad case of flu. Maybe if I'd been using it regularly before the symptoms started...?

Your link also discussed dexamethasone (scroll to near the end of the story). I use a liquid dexamethasone mouth rinse every night and always gargle with it in addition to swishing my mouth for at least 2 minutes. I think if I get exposed to COVID, I'll do some extra gargles for a while! Pretty sure it can't hurt.
 
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The real debate in here seems to be who’s responsible for our health and well-being during a pandemic.

I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t want the government making decisions for me regarding my health and well-being. This isn’t a one size fits all virus/pandemic for people and places.
jmo

That is certainly how the media has portrays it. I wonder if the headline writers at some of these places go home and scream at their families in large, bold capitalized fonts about the COVID APOCALYPSE!!!! Or do they finish a shift, take the family out to dinner and say "dang, I forgot my mask, think I'll get dirty looks?"

The real debate that I experience, at least in terms of what takes place on this forum, and with my friends and family, is about the proportionality of response.
 
  • #945
I think of when we have measles or chickenpox we must stay away from other people, to protect those people.

We know there is a raging coronavirus pandemic. We don't know exactly who is carrying the virus. Protection seems the best avenue for all.

Agreed.

Idiots are all around us. They'll still be around regardless of what they are told to do or what laws are put into place.

Protect yourself and your family as best you can.
 
  • #946
Who is inventing statistics? Me or him do you mean?

I always check statistics and this graph is a visual showing the improvement in UK and USA deaths, which is what the article is referring to IMO.

Weekly confirmed COVID-19 deaths

Hope the link works.
This link I have provided to the raw data appears to show at least an 80% reduction in the weekly cumulative deaths so a 90% reduction based on the daily numbers could be feasible IMO.
 
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/18/metro/were-like-family-despite-pandemic-nonprofit-continues-serve-disadvantaged-youths
We’re like family’: Despite pandemic, nonprofit continues to serve disadvantaged youths

Massachusetts/more at link


Before the pandemic, More Than Words provided job training and a pay check to vulnerable young people by letting them run the nonprofit’s two bookstores in Boston and Waltham.

The bookshops are currently closed, but More Than Words is pressing on with its mission: to empower and provide resources to youths who are in foster care, are homeless, or are court-involved by helping them take charge of their lives.

“Before COVID we were a busy and noisy place filled with youth earning a paycheck while they learn skills and move their lives forward," said Naomi Parker, the group’s chief advancement officer. "It looks very different now, but our mission and work [have] remained the same.”
 
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Major incident declared at packed beach

I had intended to be more positive today but arrrghhhh!!!! The interviewees in the clip beggar belief

:mad::(:confused:

I sympathise with the towns and the tourists. The rubbish is a disgrace but it happens all the time under normal circumstances. They have been locked up for months. It will ease.

"One woman from Birmingham admitted she felt uncomfortable, but said: "You've got to understand, after three months lockdown in the city centre, even seeing the sea is worth it." "

Get the pubs open and the sport back on quickly.

Cheer up because it will be raining tomorrow and they will probably all go home.
 
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Agreed.

Idiots are all around us. They'll still be around regardless of what they are told to do or what laws are put into place.

Protect yourself and your family as best you can.

Looks like they are all back at Durdle Door beach again. My lovely beach is great. Not telling where it is. :-)
 
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We make killer seafood and pastas. Cioppino with garlic bread anyone?

LOL I was literally just about to say I'd be there in a heartbeat if I was in California - I was seconds away from asking @KALI for a menu so I can choose what I'd have!
 
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Seeing the packed beaches, I dont know the answer to my question. Is home air conditioning a normal thing there? Jmo
No. It usually isn't hot enough.
 
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Seeing the packed beaches, I dont know the answer to my question. Is home air conditioning a normal thing there? Jmo

Nope, generally only in offices and public buildings. Could do with it today, it is scorchio!
 
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ICU beds at the Texas Medical Center total at 97 percent capacity

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The White House confirmed it will no longer fund 13 testing sites, including seven in Texas, despite that state reporting record highs in the number of coronavirus cases.

Four of the testing sites that will lose funding are in Harris county, which includes Houston, where doctors have warned that hospitals are nearing capacity. The four sites administer thousands of tests a day.


 
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I feel like I'm watching somebody bleed out and band aids being applied with some of these States. So very sad.
 
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Thank you: a pandemic is a SOCIETAL PROBLEM- In order to lessen sickness and deaths there must be cooperation of the people. Leadership starts at the top-- In prior cases of infectious diseases , H1N1, Ebola and Sars, the federal government took control and coordinated with the states: Fortunately, those viruses didn't turn in to a pandemic but the Playbook was in place when Trump became president because a pandemic was considered when, not if. He basically tossed the playbook and all plans that were in place to deal with a pandemic. He put the responsibility on the states - and what ensued was chaos for quite a while.

All of this ignores the reality today. The genie is out of the bottle - the virus is so widespread, at this point, that containment is a fantasy. When I read about "eliminating" or "breaking the back" of the virus I'm reminded of something my Father says "we have a cure for cancer - it's called killing the patient."

Whether people like it or not, virus responses will eventually be treated like environmental regulations, workers rights, and everything else that distinguishes countries based on relative "safety." In the U.S., for example, States vary in their response to drunk driving - in some it's a slap on the wrist, in others it involves mandatory jail time. The same will happen with Covid - some States will impose stringent safety measures, while others will err on the side of personal freedom and the right to work. Real Estate sites already break down cities and States based on a variety of parameters - Covid will just be another one.
 
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CARROLLTON, Texas — As North Texas watches COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations surge, one family is shouldering a health crisis that they never expected to face.

That crisis, all began on May 30 when just a single relative, unknowingly infected with COVID-19, interacted with seven family members at a surprise birthday party.

North Texas family shaken after 18 relatives test positive for COVID-19 following surprise birthday party
Incredibly sad. It didn't have to happen :(
 
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Hospitalizations from coronavirus in Texas have risen 60% in the last week, which is one of seven states that have reported their highest coronavirus patient admissions during the pandemic in recent days.

from your first link
Freakin god.
I admit to feeling somewhat detached up here in mass now.
but still very wary
Send them all the help. And prayers if you do such things. But all the help.

ICU beds at the Texas Medical Center total at 97 percent capacity

Trump plan to cut federal support for Covid-19 testing sites sparks alarm
The White House confirmed it will no longer fund 13 testing sites, including seven in Texas, despite that state reporting record highs in the number of coronavirus cases.

Four of the testing sites that will lose funding are in Harris county, which includes Houston, where doctors have warned that hospitals are nearing capacity. The four sites administer thousands of tests a day.

 
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