Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #65

[COSCitizen]

Maybe we should just throw him out in the street because he isn't "essential"? But then we would need to close treatment to everyone that isn't a firefighter, health care worker, or grocery store associate? I'm wondering what the occupations should be that don't receive treatment so important people can. Jmo

I did not say "Throw him out of on the street." Please do not put words in my mouth.

From an epidemiological point of view, what you said was correct. We cannot choose to treat people just because they are essential. But I do feel it is fair to point out that the most ethical thing a person can do at this point is do everything they can not to get the blasted disease, especially when high-risk factors are involved.

 

[Trino]

Arizona Is in COVID Hell—and Forced to Go After Rogue Gyms
Arizona Is in COVID Hell—and Forced to Go After Rogue Gyms

Noted lawsuits are being filed. Gonna be interesting.

 

[tresir2012]

Aww I see lots of elephants have been getting discovered deceased.. 350 since May. 1 picture showed a herd of them. Experts dont think it is poachers since their tusks are with all the remains. They have yet to rule out poison but seems more likely they have contracted some sort of virus/disease. Just like us humans! All very strangeX

What has this got to do with the coronavirus pandemic?

 

[tresir2012]

i hope he thinks it was worth it!!!

Clearly he does or he would not have gone. I hope he recovers and he has a better chance with these drugs we are now hearing about.

 

[Jade]

I’ve been curious about whether the virus could have been transported in the Sahara dust .

From the same researcher there is this article on dust:

Saharan and Asian dust, biological particles end journey in California

Besides dust, aerosols can be composed of sea salt, bits of soot and other pollution, or biological material. Bacteria, viruses, pollen, and plants, of both terrestrial and marine origin, also add to the mix of aerosols making the transcontinental voyage.

Besides dust, aerosols can be composed of sea salt, bits of soot and other pollution, or biological material. Bacteria, viruses, pollen, and plants, of both terrestrial and marine origin, also add to the mix of aerosols making the transcontinental voyage.

…….having likely originated in the Sahara a few days earlier. Along the journey, the Saharan dust and microbes mixed with other aerosols from deserts in China and Mongolia before wafting over the Pacific Ocean.
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Saharan and Asian dust, biological particles end global journey in California

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The reason of the research is that Sahara dust can spur precipitation for CA:

"We were able to show dust and biological aerosols that made it from as far as the Sahara were incorporated into the clouds to form ice, then influenced the formation of the precipitation in California," said Creamean, who conducted the fieldwork as a UCSD graduate student under Prather, the study leader. "To our knowledge, no one has been able to directly determine the origin of the critical aerosols seeding mid-level clouds which ultimately produce periods with extensive precipitation typically in the form of snow at the ground."
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Who knows!

IMO

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[dmac55]

Re: Arizona

I would appreciate a statewide mandate requiring masks in public places

Closing bars, waterparks, and gyms isn't doing it for me
(Meaning that's not helping me personally, in real-time, to reduce my exposure)

My view/opinion/grumpy self

 

[tresir2012]

I see you beat me too it. However, it isn't fair to blame the Tulsa rally, because apparently he went to the Arizona rally as well.

He could also have had it beforehand so we don't really know. (Eg contracted before the rallies. Symptoms may not have been present.)

 

[10ofRods]

Arizona COVID-19 Doctor on Frontlines: 'I Am Scared and You Should Be, Too'
https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-covid-19-doctor-frontlines-i-am-scared-you-should-too-1515095

Projections for Arizona are for 2,500 more deaths before end of September. I think they will have to delay opening schools. Arizona's CoVid cases began much later than on the east coast, of course. Unfortunately, that projection is already in doubt, because Arizona currently has twice the death rate as predicted a month ago.

So the 2,500 deaths predicted for July-September will go higher and the projection will change as the universities/IMHE come up with new projections.

Arizona has twice as many deaths as projected for the past week (and surely will be at least 2X higher than projected today, given what's available already).

California also exceeds what was projected, but only by 20%, compared to Arizona being 100% above what was projected. So yes, Arizonans are rightfully scared and it's bursting out of Phoenix and into the rest of the state. Poor Yavapai County had only 6 cases per day, two weeks ago and has almost 8X that many per day right now (and rising quickly).

 

[CharlestonGal]

With his health issues and age, why would he go to a rally with no mask and a bunch of other maskless people in attendance?

He's probably asking himself the same question right about now.

 

[tresir2012]

I'm going to try to find another source. I'm taking exception with New Yorks's supposed 100%. Although, nothing surprises me. Jmo

Edit. I was probably misunderstanding the table.

I think it means they traced all the contacts they were given. They didnt get given them all though.

 

[anneg]

The administration had developed an actual pandemic play book for the Trump administration to use. It included mention of a possible novel coronavirus, among other things:


Evidence Shows Obama Team Left A Pandemic ‘Game Plan’ For Trump Administration


And then there was the dismantling of the pandemic response team:

“The Global Health Security and Biodefense unit — responsible for pandemic preparedness — was established in 2015 by Barack Obama’s National Security Advisor, Susan Rice ( here ). The unit resided under the National Security Council (NSC) — a forum of White House personnel that advises the president on national security and foreign policy matters.

In May 2018, the team was disbanded and its head Timothy Ziemer, top White House official in the NSC for leading U.S. response against a pandemic, left the Trump administration, the Washington Post reported ( here ). Some members of the global health and security team were merged into other units within the NSC, the article said.”

Partly false claim: Trump fired entire pandemic response team in 2018

The article gives a mixed verdict on the supposed reorganization of a system the current administration deemed bloated.

But to say the former administration wasn’t ready for anything this big isn’t necessarily true.

We obviously see that this pandemic shook every nation. But some were more prepared to get a handle on it and come up with comprehensive plans, than others. We have not been so good at it.

The Netflix series Pandemic, which my family and I ironically watched right when this thing was erupting in China, shows that medical experts indeed knew exactly what the risks were and that a pandemic was going to come. They also knew how to deal with it and have prepared expensively. Sadly, politicians don’t always play ball.

A Netflix series predicted a global pandemic. It was dismissed as 'a show about the flu'

But, watching this thing unfold, it’s clear that various governmental officials from every level of government in the US, federal, state, county, and city, of every political persuasion, have made massive mistakes in handling this.

Hopefully we can all learn from this.

^^Respectfully BBM
We can hope, but ... this is America. (good post!)

 

[CSIDreamer]

I think the point is more about people who deliberately put themselves in CoVid territory through repeated voluntary actions. I personally think that interstate travel should be only for essential people right now.

I also hope that more states put travel quarantines into their policies, having seen incidents like this. It's probably impossible to keep large local gatherings from happening, but states can surely quarantine (and require the traveler to pay the cost, if they wish).

Are you trying to say that there's no reasonable way to designate "essential" employees? I think there is and that each state has a pretty similar idea of what those occupations are.

I'm saying that basically saying that hospital beds should only be used for essential workers is a bit much. Jmo

 

[CoverMeCagney]

My kids couldn't hunt last year due to deer dropping dead.

Now that is the epitome of irony

 

[CSIDreamer]

I did not say "Throw him out of on the street." Please do not put words in my mouth.

From an epidemiological point of view, what you said was correct. We cannot choose to treat people just because they are essential. But I do feel it is fair to point out that the most ethical thing a person can do at this point is do everything they can not to get the blasted disease, especially when high-risk factors are involved.

I apologize if I put words in your mouth. But to say he's using resources someone else may be more entitled to have comes close in my opinion. Jmo

 

[CSIDreamer]

Now that is the epitome of irony

Kind of lol. They depend on that deer meat to fill their freezer, though.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Facebook will start telling you to wear a mask to prevent the spread of coronavirus

Facebook announced Thursday it will start recommending that people wear face coverings when out in public as coronavirus cases spike in the United States.

Both Facebook and Instagram users will see an alert at the top of their feeds that encourage wearing masks and direct users to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for additional information.

The development comes as Covid-19 cases spike across the country. More than 2.68 million coronavirus cases have been confirmed in the United States as of Thursday, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

That’s led regulators in 21 states and Washington, D.C., to mandate that people wear masks, though the regulations vary from state to state. Numerous health experts have said masks could save lives by helping prevent the spread of the virus.

 

[10ofRods]

Brilliant article! “Normal died” is basically what I emailed my daughter last night about a job-related move that’s been in the works for almost a year. I will send this to her.

I’m interested in the type of person who reaches the “acceptance” stage immediately and doesn’t try to “bargain” inwardly for an early resolution to the pandemic. I’m that accepting person, not to my credit...it’s just who I am. I didn’t have to work to get there. How do I differ from someone who rails against the unfairness of it all and is still in denial? It would be an interesting study.

I was somewhere in the middle. I tend to be realistic but optimistic. I kept thinking that surely people would work together to stop this. And up until Memorial Day, it sure seemed like that's what people are doing. Then, we had to cut social ties even with our kids (who are not fully social distancing, 3 essential workers, etc).

Depression set in, overriding the optimism. I still "bargain" inside my head ("It'll be okay if we pick up Granddaughter from school in August") and then my husband stares at me like I'm nuts if I verbalize it (although he listens kindly and politely to my schemes).

What if I get the heparin nose spray? AND wear a face shield AND we are never in an indoor space with her, she can wear a mask in the car, etc, etc. It's only 2 hours!!

But I can't have my granddaughter be a likely vector for me to get CoVid. If I get it, it has to be from some random factor, like polluted mail. And I go back and forth daily on whether the mail is dangerous (today, despite statewide mandate to wear a mask - he wasn't wearing a mask!!!)

 

[ilovewings]

With his health issues and age, why would he go to a rally with no mask and a bunch of other maskless people in attendance?

An unanswerable question----lots of people do foolish things for reasons not understood

 

[CSIDreamer]

No one said that. Please stop implying that I said that. You may want to research the strawman fallacy.

Straw Man Fallacy - Excelsior College OWL

It is a very dishonest way of arguing.

One of the things that I liked about this blog post is that the blogger feels that the things one does for one's personal safety and one's public duty align 100% at this time. To stay safe, wash your hands, wear masks, and keep your distance. Stay home as much as your circumstances allow. Herman Cain, despite his publically known high-risk status, chose to do something very risky that was not essential. Now he is in a hospital, taking up resources that could have been used for an essential worker like a firefighter, health care worker, or grocery store associate.

BBM.

 

[10ofRods]

I did not say "Throw him out of on the street." Please do not put words in my mouth.

From an epidemiological point of view, what you said was correct. We cannot choose to treat people just because they are essential. But I do feel it is fair to point out that the most ethical thing a person can do at this point is do everything they can not to get the blasted disease, especially when high-risk factors are involved.

And ethical behavior will always trump law and policy.