Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #65

[HongKongPhooey]

Kind of lol. They depend on that deer meat to fill their freezer, though.

Let them eat steak?

(taxi!)

 

[10ofRods]

I'm saying that basically saying that hospital beds should only be used for essential workers is a bit much. Jmo

No one said that. But if you've been reading the news and this thread, you know that in Texas, Arizona and Florida, hospitals are in fact being asked to come up with triage plans, just as they did in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Maryland (and other places).

No one is talking about "only essential workers," but about ethical practices when people are about to be turned away from hospitals (and also the ethical responsibility that we, as individuals, have to try and ensure that people who are essential - particularly healthcare workers - are protected as much as possible).

It's a pretty simple argument. Sadly, the entire society is disrupted due to the unethical behavior of some people, who then clog hospitals with increased numbers of cases. This time, we're seeing more public comment/quitting/breakdowns from nurses, doctors and others who work in hospitals. I wonder if the volunteers who traveled to help in New York (many of whom got CoVid) will do so again? and again? and again? Until they all get CoVId?

Everyone should know that airplane travel is a CoVid risk. Delta had, as of 3 weeks ago, 500 employees with CoVid. The TSA has had numerous cases. Other airlines are silent (not cool, IMO). Southwest has been fairly transparent but the risks are still there.

 

[tresir2012]

Watch LIVE: Governor Mike DeWine press conference

Ohio press conference.

Ohio creates color-coded public health alert system to monitor COVID-19 spread across each county

 

[Sundog]

Herman Cain hospitalized with the virus.

https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1278728243214942208

But at least he had a good time at the Tulsa rally recently.

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Keeping him in my thoughts and prayers.

 

[COSCitizen]

And ethical behavior will always trump law and policy.

If hospitals do in fact start triaging patients based on age, number of young dependents, chance of survival, and commorbidities (all of which really suck for me) when deciding whether to put somebody in an ICU bed, does that mean that person "owns" that ICU bed and gets continued treatment, even if someone that is younger or more likely to survive arrives needing a bed?

 

[margarita25]

Closing bars to stop coronavirus spread is backed by science

Authorities are closing honky tonks, bars and other drinking establishments in some parts of the U.S. to stem the surge of COVID-19 infections — a move backed by sound science about risk factors that go beyond wearing or not wearing masks.

In the words of one study, it comes down to the danger of “heavy breathing in close proximity.”

Crowded indoor spaces filled with people yelling, leaning close to hear one another and touching the same sticky surfaces are “the opposite of social distancing,” said Dr. David Hamer of the Boston University School of Medicine.

“Young people have less severe illness, so they may be infected and able to infect others inadvertently,” Dean said, noting outbreaks in Japan and South Korea associated with restaurants, bars and karaoke parties.

“Congregation at a bar, inside, is bad news,” Dr. Anthony Fauci told a Senate panel Tuesday. “We really have got to stop that.”

I’ve noticed in the past sometimes coming down with the flu like clockwork after going to a bar, and I always figured it was via dirty glasses. I heard one time that it’s safer to order a bottled beer as opposed to a draft beer in a mug, as the glasses may not be cleaned all that well and people put their mouths on them. I’ve seen some bartenders just do the quick dip in the sink to clean.

So, as a result, if I’ve ever been in a place that didn’t seem “clean” to me, perhaps a dive bar (my favorite), I’ll order bottled beer.

In hindsight, after learning what we have here the last 6 months, I’m realizing flu transmission could’ve occurred other ways as well, surfaces, maybe even just sitting next to someone and talking to them, and not just via a dirty glass.

My question is, can influenza be asymptomatic, and does asymptomatic transmission occur? I’ve never researched influenza these deeply before. Can you get it just from talking to someone closely?

 

[tresir2012]

No one said that. But if you've been reading the news and this thread, you know that in Texas, Arizona and Florida, hospitals are in fact being asked to come up with triage plans, just as they did in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Maryland (and other places).

No one is talking about "only essential workers," but about ethical practices when people are about to be turned away from hospitals (and also the ethical responsibility that we, as individuals, have to try and ensure that people who are essential - particularly healthcare workers - are protected as much as possible).

It's a pretty simple argument. Sadly, the entire society is disrupted due to the unethical behavior of some people, who then clog hospitals with increased numbers of cases. This time, we're seeing more public comment/quitting/breakdowns from nurses, doctors and others who work in hospitals. I wonder if the volunteers who traveled to help in New York (many of whom got CoVid) will do so again? and again? and again? Until they all get CoVId?

Everyone should know that airplane travel is a CoVid risk. Delta had, as of 3 weeks ago, 500 employees with CoVid. The TSA has had numerous cases. Other airlines are silent (not cool, IMO). Southwest has been fairly transparent but the risks are still there.

Don't they have plans for temporary hospitals? Haven't they been watching the New York, California and world news?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

No UK death figures today, it's a good 4 or 5 hours after the usual time, what's occurring?

 

[tresir2012]

I’ve noticed in the past sometimes coming down with the flu like clock work after going to a bar, and I always figured it was via dirty glasses. I heard one time that it’s safer to order a bottled beer as opposed to a draft beer in a mug, as the glasses may not be cleaned all that well and people put their mouths on them. I’ve seen some bartenders just do the quick dip in the sink to clean.

So, as a result, if I’ve ever been in a place that didn’t seem “clean” to me, perhaps a dive bar (my favorite), I’ll order bottled beer.

In hindsight, after learning what we have here the last 6 months, I’m realizing flu transmission could’ve occurred other ways as well, surfaces, maybe even just sitting next to someone and talking to them, and not just via a dirty glass.

My question is, can influenza be asymptomatic, and does asymptomatic transmission occur? I’ve never researched influenza these deeply before. Can you get it just from talking to someone closely?

Get an annual flu jab. They are very good. Usually around October time frame, our doctor writes to us and tells us to go in to the surgery or a pharmacy. They are free in the UK to Seniors or health workers but only about £10 if you have to pay.

 

[Tillicum]

Ohio introduces Alert System to address coronavirus county by county, Franklin County ‘grave concern’ | NBC4 WCMH-TV

“We know that the number of COVID-19 cases is rising dramatically,” DeWine said. “We’ve seen them climb over the last three weeks . . . this is a worrisome and concerning trend.”

DeWine said coronavirus experts are telling him there is likely community spread in every Ohio county.

DeWine provided a summary of how the coronavirus is spreading based on information from local health departments across the state.

• Large family gatherings (i.e. birthday and graduation parties)
• Other large gatherings (i.e. protests)
• Workplace
• Bars and restaurants
• Tourist destinations
• People who are showing symptoms don’t stay home
• People aren’t social distancing
• People aren’t wearing masks

 

[tresir2012]

No UK death figures today, it's a good 4 or 5 hours after the usual time, what's occurring?

Maybe no deaths?

 

[mickey2942]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/01/coronavirus-autopsies-findings/

Those kids throwing the "Covid-19" parties should read this article. Scary $&^%.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Maybe no deaths?

Haha very unlikely but I WISH!!

 

[margarita25]

Herman Cain hospitalized with the virus.

https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1278728243214942208

But at least he had a good time at the Tulsa rally recently.

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Yikes.

 

[10ofRods]

If hospitals do in fact start triaging patients based on age, number of young dependents, chance of survival, and commorbidities (all of which really suck for me) when deciding whether to put somebody in an ICU bed, does that mean that person "owns" that ICU bed and gets continued treatment, even if someone that is younger or more likely to survive arrives needing a bed?

I think all hospitals are already transferring patients as rapidly as possible to non-ICU beds. I know they are in my county (where suddenly, we only have 8 left). A friend who works in the CoVid ICU in another county tells me that from the start of pandemic reaching their hospital to now...the average number of days in the ICU was dropping. They too are seeing an uptick, but she says their prior experience about who *not* to put in the ICU has gotten better.

To some extent, hospitals can turn a non-ICU room into an ICU room with certain steps (the hospital closest to me has done that, and right now is using a few of those beds).

One issue is that as we've locally now reached a greater number of hospitalized CoVid patients than ever before, nurses and doctors with no prior experience in CoVid are coming online to treat it, and they have a learning curve to go through, too.

 

[COSCitizen]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/01/coronavirus-autopsies-findings/

Those kids throwing the "Covid-19" parties should read this article. Scary $&^%.

Remember a while ago when the US military was purportedly saying that someone who had COVID 19 was permanently disqualified from enlisting, even if they had completely recovered. I think the military modified that policy, but I remember thinking at the time "I wonder what they know, considering they were able to examine healthy young recruits who had recovered while serving."

 

[margarita25]

Herman Cain hospitalized with the virus.

https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1278728243214942208

But at least he had a good time at the Tulsa rally recently.

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I just realized we haven’t had our weekly Friday happy hour dance parties lately like we used to. I’m watching them dance thinking “how fun” (even though I’ve got the grace and moves of a hippo on the dance floor).

So anyway, in the order of mental health, I think we should remember to dance.

My favorite dance video:

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[COSCitizen]

I just realized we haven’t had our weekly Friday happy hour dance parties. I’m watching them dance thinking “how fun” (even though I’ve got the grace and moves of a hippo on the dance floor).

So anyway, in the order of mental health, I think we should remember to dance.

My favorite dance video:

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It's Thurday? I think.

 

[CharlestonGal]

https://www.reviewgeek.com/46635/wa...-in-theaters-in-its-parking-lots-this-summer/

With the ongoing pandemic, heading to the movie theater may seem like a risky proposition. Drive-in theaters are the perfect solution, except that they’re a rare beast to find. That may change, though, as Walmart plans to open up drive-in theaters in its parking lots.

Walmart says there will be popcorn and beverage service, and that it’ll be family-friendly theaters. With everyone staying in cars, social distancing should be easier to maintain.

The pair of companies didn’t offer any more details, like timing, pricing, or movie showings, but we’ll keep you updated as the information becomes available. In the meantime, Walmart set up a drive-in website with promises of updates soon.

 

[margarita25]

It's Thurday? I think.

Start stretching out for tomorrow so we don’t pull something or take a hip out and I’ll meet you tomorrow for happy hour. Maybe cousin @otto has some of his vodka hand sanitizer left and can join us.