Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #65

[MimosaMornings]

It’s like breathing through a wet towel when the temp is 85 & humidity just as bad.

Staying in as much as possible - only going out early morning or evening (if the mosquitoes aren’t bad) 6pm it’s 91 degrees with a realfeel of 102 and 80% humidity.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Thanks for you suggestion-it is appreciated--you have a great holiday too!!!!

We had three windows replaced on Tuesday. One of the guys had to come into the house, and I told him to let me know when he needed to come into the den where my computer and main TV are. That is one of the three windows that we replaced. He did the other two windows first, and then told me that he was ready to do the last window. I left the room and went into the kitchen while he was installing the new den window. I always wore my mask, and DH wore a mask when he paid them upon completion. Sprinkler guys went in basement from garage and didn't come in contact with us until DH wrote them a check. They were here twice because they didn't fix what needed to be fixed Try not to stress out about it because you'll end up with a throbbing headache like I did when I fretted about a dental appointment

 

[MimosaMornings]

Here are Mayor Turner’s 5 ‘voluntary’ recommendations for Houston amid COVID-19

“Turner issues five “voluntary” recommendations that he hopes businesses and residents will choose to comply with over the next three weeks:

1. Extending the mask order, Turner asks all residents to wear a mask when in the presence of another person.

2. Turner said employers of all workplaces should ensure social distancing or work remotely when possible

3. Turner requests businesses to reduce their occupancy from 50% to 25%.

4. Turner asks faith-based organizations to return to virtual services

5. Turner pushes residents to reduce social gathers to less than 10 people.”

Turner requests urgent help in letter to Abbott, says Houston has small window to change trajectory

 

[Tony1902]

Huzzah!

I can almost taste it.

It’s called a ‘to-go cup’ in south Louisiana. I asked for one in a fancy restaurant in San Francisco & the server looked at me like I was insane. ‘A what cup? No ma’m that’s illegal’ ma’m? I was only 35

 

[tresir2012]

It saddens me to see what is happening in the U.S. These numbers are astounding as of late.

I think the case numbers going up is not surprising. More testing will find more cases. So it is the hospitalisations ànd deaths that are more meaningful to me.

IFR will not be known until long after the pandemic is over. CFR can be calculated in real time, which is what we see on sites like worldometer.

ETA: The OP is arguing that IFR is .05%, which is likely to be in the ballpark when all is said and done, but it cannot be definitively calculated as of yet. OP is not talking about CFR, which is the 5% or 10% we see on various sites.

Having said that, debating IFR at this point is fruitless as this number cannot be calculated by anyone. People are making educated guesses, but this number is not knowable.

Is the CFR based on deaths from hospitalizations or all cases divided by deaths? What is IFR?

 

[jjenny]

i have a question--we are having our air onditioner replaced
tomorrow-- the guys will be mostly in the basement and outside--
do you think they need to keep their masks on while they work
in the basement and outdoors-- we dont plan to be around them
in the basement though we might talk to them when they work
outdoors

It's up to you, but I would make them wear masks inside. I don't think masks are necessary outside, but I'd make them put them on before they come inside (even into the basement).

 

[charminglane]

i have a question--we are having our air onditioner replaced
tomorrow-- the guys will be mostly in the basement and outside--
do you think they need to keep their masks on while they work
in the basement and outdoors-- we dont plan to be around them
in the basement though we might talk to them when they work
outdoors

I had a whole new system put in during lockdown in April.
Since the guys were in the basement and outside I was not concerned with them wearing a mask.
The only issue I had was that they really needed to use a restroom as all the fast food places they went to for lunch did not have open restrooms. I let them in with their masks and I disinfected the hall bathroom each day when they left. I only used the master bath. Disposable hand towels, sanitizer access, and wipes available. I then let the room sit for a few days after they completed the job before I used it again.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Southeast Texas beaches closed for Fourth of July weekend

There is going to be a bunch of p*ssed off people who don’t bother to read the news and drive down there anyway.....

 

[Tadpole12]

THE LATEST: Hospitalizations increase by one, positivity rate below 1 percent

Global COVID-19 cases nears 11 million
by July 3 2020

Coronavirus cases worldwide top 10 million with nearly half a million deaths — and 25% are in the US

June 28 2020

 

[jjenny]

It’s like breathing through a wet towel when the temp is 85 & humidity just as bad.

Have you tried a silk mask? Silk is actually cooling.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Chicago to implement 14-day quarantine for travelers coming from these 15 states

CHICAGO - People traveling to Chicago from 15 states with increasing numbers of confirmed cases of the coronavirus will have to quarantine for two weeks upon arrival or face possible fines, city officials announced Thursday.

To comply with the order that takes effect Monday, travelers must stay at a single home or other dwelling for 14 days except to seek medical care or be tested for COVID-19.

As of Thursday, that means people coming from Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Utah will be affected.

The order also applies to city residents returning from a visit to a designated state.

It wasn’t immediately clear how Chicago officials will enforce the order.

According to a website explaining the change, people could face fines of between $100 and $500 per day, totaling up to $7,000.

 

[MimosaMornings]

For anyone considering going to the Myrtle Beach or Grand Strand area......
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/01/myrtle-beach-reopening-coronavirus/

“Myrtle Beach reopened to survive the summer. Now it’s a coronavirus ‘petri dish’.”

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100 teens from DC-area test positive for
COVID-19 after Myrtle Beach trip, officials say

“Around one-hundred teens from the Washington, D.C. area have tested positive for COVID-19 after a trip to Myrtle Beach, according to Dr. David Goodfriend, the director of the Loudoun County Health Department in Virginia.”
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https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/coronavirus/article243927337.html

Myrtle Beach will now require face masks be worn in public places as COVID-19 cases soar

“Myrtle Beach will now require face masks be worn in public places following weeks of coronavirus cases rising significantly in both South Carolina and Horry County.

The Myrtle Beach City Council met in a special meeting Thursday morning to approve a motion that allows City Manager John Pedersen to issue an executive order requiring residents and visitors to wear face masks or coverings in all retail, personal service, food establishments, hotels, amusements and where a six foot distance can’t be observed.

The decision comes as the city prepares for thousands of tourists to inundate the area for the July 4 holiday.

“We’ve tried this voluntarily for over a month and many have been very, very good but others have ignored our voluntary requests, our pleas, and they have gone home and become very ill,”

 

[tmar]

I just realized that coming on this thread put me in an immediate lousy mood. Not because of any of the members ... just the news ... there's so much of it and it's all bad. I'm gonna go outside to enjoy the beautiful weather and try to forget about Covid for awhile (good luck with that I know).

With so much 'bad news' about, I find going outside helps enormously.
Whether, walking the dog, pulling out weeds, hanging out clothes or food shopping for essentials, being outside helps.
Here, nearby postcodes have gone into 'lockdown' and perhaps my suburb may be next, so I am enjoying what I can, social distancing at all times, worrying about 'what next'.
I think I'll even try to have my haircut, so I look better, so my dog recognizes me, as to 'how I looked when times were better'.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I think the case numbers going up is not surprising. More testing will find more cases. So it is the hospitalisations ànd deaths that are more meaningful to me.

Is the CFR based on deaths from hospitalizations or all cases divided by deaths? What is IFR?

CFR (case fatality rate) is all identified deaths divided by all identified cases.

IFR (infected fatality rate) is all identified deaths divided by all infected cases. To calculate IFR you have to know how many people are actually infected, not just tested and identified.

 

[ilovewings]

I've had a/c people in the past few days service both of my units. I backed off and told them to take the masks off. It's hotter than hell (working both in my home and garage). When they needed to come in, they donned the masks anyway. We didn't; our choice, but kept a distance.

Do what makes you comfortable. I guess there's no right or wrong answer.

Thanks--appreciate your input--it is hard to believe that interactions like this,that
used to be normal, is so fraught with stress

 

[COSCitizen]

IFR will not be known until long after the pandemic is over. CFR can be calculated in real time, which is what we see on sites like worldometer.

ETA: The OP is arguing that IFR is .05%, which is likely to be in the ballpark when all is said and done, but it cannot be definitively calculated as of yet. OP is not talking about CFR, which is the 5% or 10% we see on various sites.

Having said that, debating IFR at this point is fruitless as this number cannot be calculated by anyone. People are making educated guesses, but this number is not knowable.

So this makes sense. Google tells me that IFR is Infection Fatality Rate, which I can see would be very much a retrospective calculation. (I comfort myself that there will be people writing dissertations about this stuff in the future. That means we HAVE a future.) CFR is Case Fatality Rate which currently is much higher and what is being tracked on Worldometer.

This is my summary of a post on a blog called Virolgy Blog by Vincent Racaniello, who seems to be a professor at Columbia University. The post, written in April, seems relatively straightforward, though the numbers he cites didn't hold up very well considering what we are seeing now. But then, he probably didn't anticipate the many decisions that have been made on a personal, local and national level about how much risk to vulnerable populations is acceptable. He also has some suggestions about how to test to get a better handle on the likely IFR, but I don't know how much of that has been done.

Infection Fatality Rate – A Critical Missing Piece for Managing Covid-19

Here is a more recent discussion of IFR on the site nature.com. It is not willing to commit to a number and is a good discussion from mid-June of some of the problems in determining it.

How deadly is the coronavirus? Scientists are close to an answer

 

[COSCitizen]

CFR (case fatality rate) is all identified deaths divided by all identified cases.

IFR (infected fatality rate) is all identified deaths divided by all infected cases. To calculate IFR you have to know how many people are actually infected, not just tested and identified.

Thanks. I got curious after you wrote about this previously and found a couple of sites discussing it.

 

[tresir2012]

You think we are "victimizing him?"

"On Wednesday, Cain tweeted that people were fed up by social-distancing guidelines and mask requirements."
Former Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain is hospitalized with the coronavirus 11 days after attending Trump's Tulsa rally

I think that calling a coronavirus victim a knob is victimisation yes. (You didn't call him that but another poster did.)

 

[CharlestonGal]

So this makes sense. Google tells me that IFR is Infection Fatality Rate, which I can see would be very much a retrospective calculation. (I comfort myself that there will be people writing dissertations about this stuff in the future. That means we HAVE a future.) CFR is Case Fatality Rate which currently is much higher and what is being tracked on Worldometer.

This is my summary of a post on a blog called Virolgy Blog by Vincent Racaniello, who seems to be a professor at Columbia University. The post, written in April, seems relatively straightforward, though the numbers he cites didn't hold up very well considering what we are seeing now. But then, he probably didn't anticipate the many decisions that have been made on a personal, local and national level about how much risk to vulnerable populations is acceptable. He also has some suggestions about how to test to get a better handle on the likely IFR, but I don't know how much of that has been done.

Infection Fatality Rate – A Critical Missing Piece for Managing Covid-19

Here is a more recent discussion of IFR on the site nature.com. It is not willing to commit to a number and is a good discussion from mid-June of some of the problems in determining it.

How deadly is the coronavirus? Scientists are close to an answer

Exactly. I've been following along for a couple of months and it's an interesting endeavor. I do think they are getting reasonably close at this point.

 

[tresir2012]

CFR (case fatality rate) is all identified deaths divided by all identified cases.

IFR (infected fatality rate) is all identified deaths divided by all infected cases. To calculate IFR you have to know how many people are actually infected, not just tested and identified.

Ok so Infected number is impossible to know unless everyone is tested.