Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #65

[SouthAussie]

I remember what it was like to being young, when school was out for summer. I don't think it's how they've been brought up, it's hormones.

Young people attending covid parties, adults refusing to wear masks, people destroying statues, adults refusing to be tested for covid, people defying travel/lockdown restrictions and travelling to other states ..... people choosing to go in their own direction, instead of pulling together.

I think it could be our societal issues, rather than hormones.

 

[gngr~snap]

Not sure you understood. I was referring to 7000 people anticipated to watch the fireworks display in the National Mall in Washington.

Sorry, I was referring to those people who claim this is all a hoax and it will go away on Nov 3rd.
I think I responded to the wrong post!
Anyone who is willing to go into a crowd like that has to believe they are invincible or have super human immunity.
The stories are out there.
People who decided to knowingly go to a party without a mask and were there with a covid + relative/friend...
Sadly in one case, he is now dead.
Moo
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e-an-idiot-like-me-day-before-dying-covid-19/

 

[MsArk]

Me, too. But for some reason, I don't want to unfriend them. Conflict avoidant, that's me.

Unfollow is an excellent feature as well. Just saying...

 

[gitana1]

In the beginning I was very optimistic like this. I truly believed that by now most of us would have found new ways of being, learned new things about ourselves, taken the time and/or solitude to improve ourselves, and found unique ways to maintain a sense of community. But shoot, before a month was out, people were stressing about their roots and lack of mani/pedi. So I’m not optimistic about us getting onboard as a community, not when this country has managed to turn something like masks political.

Yes. That is a challenge in this country. It’s sad that witnessing devastation is what it takes for some to finally take measure to protect people. Many have died and will die as a result and we can’t reverse that.

However, I am confident that this pandemic is going to recede and we will get back to normal. Changed, but mostly normal. And I truly don’t think it’s going to be years. Just looking at other epidemics and pandemics sort of shows us that.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Let the 20 somethings fend for themselves. They're not concerned about the virus' effects on themselves or those they come in contact with anyways.

Just fence in the frat houses, have the beer trucks deliver kegs on a weekly basis, pizza brought in and dropped off. Instacart or Amazon for whatever else they need.
Stay there and not go out infecting anyone else. Party all you want, but your bubble is the frat house with all your good buddies.
JMO

 

[CeeCeeCat]

He's Glad that he went, and he would not change a thing. Here is his tweet from yesterday:
https://twitter.com/THEHermanCain/status/1278444266881273856

If he doesn't like wearing a mask, he's really not going to like wearing a ventilator.

Here’s a little something from his twitter feed. Ouch.

 

[margarita25]

Y'all! It is happening. Doctors are having to "choose".
This ~ 10 min video crushed my soul.
"Doctor Jeffrey Dellavolpe recalled a recent shift as the worst day so far. He said he had 10 patients and only three beds available."

"Now he says he’s lost track of how many patients in their 20s he has treated."
Inside look: San Antonio Methodist Hospital overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients

oh no...

this is where it keeps getting uglier and uglier, THIS is when and where we really take an extra beating—we saw this in China, and Italy, and NY...China built those hospitals in what, 10 days was it? We’ve had time to prepare.

THIS is when the extra crushing happens. And also, other “preventable deaths” In the hospital due to the overload and maximized resources/:: ugh:: This is what Dr. Sanjay Gupta has been talking about all week when he kept talking about Italy...

What blows my mind is how the HUGE, Top notch, best medical centers in the World in the most developed USA are getting their arses kicked, that tells you something, how bad the situation is. Texas Medical Center, Methodist,
etc etc, you’re talking about some of the biggest and greatest hospital systems in the world, imo. The same with NY. So it’s not like underdeveloped entities...

Can you imagine the burden on lesser developed countries and nations on their health care systems/

sigh.

There have been articles imo that said they should be able to handle overflow in Houston. Remember they had that stadium set up, then dismantled it, but last I heard, iirc, was it was on standby.

Sadly this is what we said. When bodies start piling up like in the waiting rooms of Wuhan hospitals, people might wake up.

I’m hoping this will be okay. The Texas hospital situation. Sending positive energy but it’s not lookin good and we know what comes after “hospitalizations”. Deaths.

 

[ilovewings]

Y'all! It is happening. Doctors are having to "choose".
This ~ 10 min video crushed my soul.
"Doctor Jeffrey Dellavolpe recalled a recent shift as the worst day so far. He said he had 10 patients and only three beds available."

"Now he says he’s lost track of how many patients in their 20s he has treated."
Inside look: San Antonio Methodist Hospital overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients

It is clear they have learned, since when the pandemic first started, that the ventilator can really damage the lungs and they try to keep patients off of it if they can.

 

[Lilibet]

Today I got an email from a senior living facility (independent and assisted living) in our town where a good friend lives. They haven’t allowed visitors in months and we haven’t been notified that visitors are allowed. The email was an invitation to a July 4th Celebration...BBQ at noon, brass band on the smallish patio at 2:30 and fireworks at 6:30....Whaaaaaaat?!!!

I know the management staff, so I replied to the email asking if it had been sent in error, since we hadn’t been told they were allowing visitors. I said “This sounds like quite a gathering!” There was no mention of masks or social distancing, although I know they have been diligent about that. And with about 200 residents and possible guests...say it isn’t so! The Oregon Governor would have a cow. I hope that it was a plan they had months ago pre-Covid and the email had been set to send automatically. Otherwise, I will forget about the flowers I was going to send to the director and staff to thank them for being terrific and having no cases.

 

[tresir2012]

they're everywhere

I've not met one. But then I have been in lockdown for 3 months. Where do you meet them? Have you not been in lockdown also? If not then you are very lucky to live somewhere that has avoided it.

 

[tresir2012]

Some pushback on the COVID party meme. This is from the Wired site:

‘Covid Parties’ Are Not a Thing



Edited to fix grammar

Ok thanks for posting this. Based on these reports, I put it in the same bin as "the US bought up all the Remdesivir and PPE" stories. The garbage bin.

 

[tresir2012]

Is that you, Donald?

It's not more testing, don't fall for that one; the US is falling down the testing per capita list so the massive rise in cases is extremely disproportionate. There's 5 times the population of the UK but almost 100 times the number of new cases today.

(and yeah, I know our death rate is horrible and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and blah blah blah, but numbers is numbers)


I don’t understand your logic here. If all those other countries have tested more of their population, why aren’t we also seeing their case rates double/triple within a few weeks? Do you reckon it’s imminent in the UK? That we’ll see a massive case increase any day now?

I’m just trying to figure out why it’s so high and I don’t think it’s just “more testing” because otherwise we’d all see the same pattern.

It's not logic when you can clearly look at the number of tests and positives. The states with increasing cases have also all had high numbers of protests since May so that is my logic for the increases combined with parties for the end of term from the students and the returning US citizens from Mexico. A perfect storm. With the UK we had a ramp up of testing in April and May plus increases in positives and in June we hit our peak of deaths. These states are behind the other states that have already peaked, like we were behind Italy and Spain. Spain was having lockdown protests while our stats were still rising. It is to be expected with such a big country and should really be compared with Europe.

 

[tresir2012]

It's not more testing. Please see attached chart. Positive test rate in FL has increased 5-fold since May. That's increased disease prevalence. Absolute test numbers have also increased but the positivity rate is the primary factor and it's scary.
America’s COVID warning system

ResourcesBlogContact Us
Counties



Florida

Critical


COVID RISK LEVEL
Florida is either actively experiencing an outbreak or is at extreme risk. COVID cases are exponentially growing and/or Florida’s COVID preparedness is dangerously below international standards.

We have made improvements to how we calculate the infection rate. This change may affect the overall Risk Level. Learn more.

INFECTION RATE

Active cases are rapidly increasing

1.36

High
POSITIVE TEST RATE

Indicates insufficient testing

16.3%

High
ICU HEADROOM USED BETA

Can likely handle a new wave of COVID

33%

Low
CONTACTS TRACED BETA

Too many cases and too little tracing

4%

Critical

This sort of tells it's own story. They admit they have done too little testing and have now ramped it up. Infection rate is high now therefore. They also admit they have only contact traced 4%, so those others are infecting people without knowing they had it.

Not sure if this happened in UK also, but we did ramp up the testing massively so that could have helped us. Maybe getting patients on the drugs quicker may have helped UK too.

 

[margarita25]

For our friends in Canada, UK, Australia and more, I always especially post our news videos here because I know sometimes you can’t always access certain articles - I remember now important videos were as we watched so many videos of other countries together in the early days.//Canadian media and South Korean, and Australian media...

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[SouthAussie]

For our friends in Canada, UK, Australia and more, I always especially post our news videos here because I know sometimes you can’t always access certain articles - I remember now important videos were as we watched so many videos of other countries together in the early days.//Canadian media and South Korean, and Australian media...

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Thanks for sharing, margarita.

I wonder why these Houston medics are not wearing masks?

 

[tresir2012]

It's really sad when you victimize people, especially the elderly, who are infected with COVID-19. And especially sad when people do so because of their politics. Did we say that Trudeau's wife took away treatment from essential workers, or Boris Johnson? Or the protesters? And if someone on here or their spouse gets infected because they take the risk to get their hair cut, or play golf, or have a backyard get together with their family, or other event that some deem as "non-essential", will we have the same victim blaming for them as well?

Prayers for Herman Cain and his family, hope to see him back on the trail soon.

When BoJo got it, everyone was rooting for him. I saw no negative posts on here or in the press. His praise for his nurses was heartfelt. We cannot get to the stage where we vilify those who get it. That takes us back to the Dark Ages.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Coronavirus: Care home staff and residents to get regular COVID-19 tests from next week

Staff and residents in care homes in England will be regularly tested for coronavirus from next week, the government has said.

Care home workers will be tested weekly, while residents will receive a test every 28 days, according to the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC).

It has also promised intensive testing in any care home facing a coronavirus outbreak or an increased risk of a flare-up.

The programme will be rolled out from Monday to all care homes for people aged over 65, and those with dementia, which have registered to receive re-testing over the next four weeks.

It will then be expanded to the entire care home sector from August.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the government's response to the pandemic "has always been led by the latest scientific advice from world-class experts".

"We will now offer repeat testing to staff and residents in care homes, starting with homes for elderly residents before expanding to the entire care home sector," he added.

 

[tresir2012]

I noticed the overall case count has dropped by 30,000ish. Wonder what happened there.

EDIT
We have updated the methodology of reporting positive cases, to remove duplicates within and across pillars 1 and 2, to ensure that a person who tests positive is only counted once. Methodologies between nations differ and we will be making future revisions to align approaches as much as possible across the 4 nations.Due to this change, and a revision of historical data in pillar 1, the cumulative total for positive cases is 30,302 lower than if you added the daily figure to yesterday’s total. We will revise the methodology note explaining this in more detail in due course" [source] [source]

Good spot. Some double counting.

 

[margarita25]

Thanks for sharing, margarita.

I wonder why these Houston medics are not wearing masks?

View attachment 254096

Good observation.

De ja vu of the Diamond Princess...there was a similar photo and discussion re: a medic.

 

[tresir2012]

That’s not what health experts say, though. I mean there’s a reason someone like Abbott is suddenly doing things like making masks mandatory when he specifically stated cities and counties could not, previously. The surge in hospitalizations is what we need to look at.

And the thing is, there is more testing when more people feel ill and go to get tested, don’t you agree?:


“President Donald Trump blames the rising number of COVID-19 cases on increased testing and suggests case counts would drop with fewer tests. But infectious disease and public health experts dispute that claim, saying the surge in coronavirus cases in Sunbelt states reflects a potentially dangerous new phase of the pandemic.

Arizona, California, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma and South Carolina reported record-high new daily coronavirus cases during this week, as case counts continue to rise in more than half of U.S. states.

Arizona hospitals on Tuesday reported the highest-ever number of beds and ventilators used for confirmed or suspected COVID-19 patients.

The World Health Organization recommends sufficient testing so that 5% or fewer individuals who take tests have the virus, but these states exceed that. When the positive test rate is higher, it could mean states are testing only the sickest individuals and missing those who show no symptoms but can still spread the virus.

With cases surging in states with such high positive test rates, "that is not because of an increase in testing," but an indicator cases are spreading, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security.
COVID-19 testing can't be blamed for coronavirus surge in Sunbelt

BBM

I just posted one of the increasing states counts and they have only 4% contact tracing but 16% of tests coming back positive. I think that is a high percentage however you look at it so if they test 100k a day then they would find 15k a day cases presumably. Those cases won't all be hospitalized either.

From my post upthread re Florida.

" America’s COVID warning system
ResourcesBlogContact Us
Counties



Florida

Critical


COVID RISK LEVEL
Florida is either actively experiencing an outbreak or is at extreme risk. COVID cases are exponentially growing and/or Florida’s COVID preparedness is dangerously below international standards.

We have made improvements to how we calculate the infection rate. This change may affect the overall Risk Level. Learn more.

INFECTION RATE

Active cases are rapidly increasing

1.36

High
POSITIVE TEST RATE

Indicates insufficient testing

16.3%

High
ICU HEADROOM USED BETA

Can likely handle a new wave of COVID

33%

Low
CONTACTS TRACED BETA

Too many cases and too little tracing

4%

Critical

This sort of tells it's own story. They admit they have done too little testing and have now ramped it up. Infection rate is high now therefore. They also admit they have only contact traced 4%, so those others are infecting people without knowing they had it.

Not sure if this happened in UK also, but we did ramp up the testing massively so that could have helped us. Maybe getting patients on the drugs quicker may have helped UK too."

I have just thought about A/C and whether the increase in cases in hot states could be due to higher temperatures and more use and being indoors with A/C spreading it as with the restaurant study in Ghangzhou early in the pandemic?