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eh I work for a commercial glazing company that has a contract with a state university and corresponding hospital. We’ve done so many partitions and barriers in the past few months. It’s not exceptionally cost prohibitive. Especially since it’s common for schools to have existing contracts like this in place already.

Thank you for that post - and the work you do. I know that our campus is retrofitting the library successful and some computer labs (so that the students can take their online classes, ha). The problem with many of our newer building is that the A/C vents are right over the podium area and whiteboards can't be moved to reorient the classroom - or the floor is sloped, amphitheater style.

If we could solve the ventilation issue, we'd be installing tons more partitions and that would work for a lot of profs.

Indoor dry air allows CoVid to live in the air longer. We'd have to teach students to wipe down their chairs and desks/tables. Faculty could definitely bring in their own disinfectants (many were doing so in March). But the "living in the air" thing is a big problem and the observed 72+ life of CoVid inside metal ducting is...concerning.

We have no doors that open to the outside, either, just to more overly-ventilated space inside the same building.

If only there were a way of cooling a little plexiglass pod for the prof and the prof could get by without a whiteboard (what a huge thing that is, though - I don't know how math and science can be taught without the board)...

This all sounds like some dystopian future, and yet, here we are.
 
  • #322
LIVE: Coronavirus cases surge in Saudi, UAE after curfews lifted

10:17 GMT - Madagascar re-imposes lockdown amid surge in virus cases
Madagascar has placed its capital Antananarivo under a fresh lockdown following a new surge in coronavirus infections, two months after the restrictions were eased, the presidency announced.

"The Analamanga region (under which the capital is situated) is returning to full lockdown," the presidency said in a statement.

No traffic will be allowed in or out of the region starting Monday until July 20.
 
  • #323
England has reopened its doors to pubs and restaurants -- on what they're calling "Super Saturday" -- but the government's warnings/threats seem to have fallen on deaf ears.

Check out the scene in the SoHo district of London, where an insane number of people broke loose Saturday from their flats and hit the streets and bars. There's zero social distancing and masks are few and far between.

Here's the thing ... the UK has banned gatherings of more than 6 people and there's a strong recommendation that people stay 2-meters apart. Clearly not the case.



Pubs closed back in March due to the virus and the lockdown. The government has warned if people don't follow the rules the pubs will be the first to get shut down again.

Europe has 280,000 confirmed COVID19 cases and 44,000 deaths.

The government has also allowed hair salons, outdoor gyms, playgrounds, hotels, movie theaters, museums and libraries to reopen.

Looks a lot like America.
London Streets, Pubs Packed for 'Super Saturday'

Lol.
It's not 2m anymore its 1+. That's Soho for you. Love the cop in his elevated pulpit.

Is TMZ MSM? This link is California.

Beverly Hills 4th of July Party a Breeding Ground for Coronavirus
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Hundreds of young people in SoCal ran for the hills on the 4th of July ... Beverly Hills that is, where they may get 2 cases of Corona -- and only 1 is the beer.

It's a crazy scene that has been repeated all over the country. Partiers packed in like sardines without face masks. There's a lot of drinking and super-close contact ... ideal for the spread of the virus.

Not that they're listening .... but California is experiencing a huge spike in coronavirus cases. In the last 2 weeks in L.A. County, 28,130 people tested positive and 391 have died.

It's now as clear as can be ... there are lots of people who just don't care if they get the virus or just believe they are impervious to it. Wrong.

They clearly don't believe in science, so the question -- will they get a vaccine if and when it's available?
 
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LIVE: Coronavirus cases surge in Saudi, UAE after curfews lifted

04:28 GMT - Australia’s Victoria state reports 74 new cases
The hard-hit Australian state of Victoria has recorded 74 new coronavirus cases on Sunday after announcing a record 108 new infections a day earlier.

The latest increase resulted in state Premier Daniel Andrews announcing a lockdown of nine inner-city public housing blocks containing 3,000 people, where 27 cases have been detected.

Police are guarding every entrance of the housing estates and residents are not allowed to leave their homes for any reason. Australia had more than 8,400 cases and 104 deaths as of Sunday.
 
  • #325
Thank you for that post - and the work you do. I know that our campus is retrofitting the library successful and some computer labs (so that the students can take their online classes, ha). The problem with many of our newer building is that the A/C vents are right over the podium area and whiteboards can't be moved to reorient the classroom - or the floor is sloped, amphitheater style.

If we could solve the ventilation issue, we'd be installing tons more partitions and that would work for a lot of profs.

Indoor dry air allows CoVid to live in the air longer. We'd have to teach students to wipe down their chairs and desks/tables. Faculty could definitely bring in their own disinfectants (many were doing so in March). But the "living in the air" thing is a big problem and the observed 72+ life of CoVid inside metal ducting is...concerning.

We have no doors that open to the outside, either, just to more overly-ventilated space inside the same building.

If only there were a way of cooling a little plexiglass pod for the prof and the prof could get by without a whiteboard (what a huge thing that is, though - I don't know how math and science can be taught without the board)...

This all sounds like some dystopian future, and yet, here we are.
What is the problem with the A/C vent being over the podium?
 
  • #326
Thank you for that post - and the work you do. I know that our campus is retrofitting the library successful and some computer labs (so that the students can take their online classes, ha). The problem with many of our newer building is that the A/C vents are right over the podium area and whiteboards can't be moved to reorient the classroom - or the floor is sloped, amphitheater style.

If we could solve the ventilation issue, we'd be installing tons more partitions and that would work for a lot of profs.

Indoor dry air allows CoVid to live in the air longer. We'd have to teach students to wipe down their chairs and desks/tables. Faculty could definitely bring in their own disinfectants (many were doing so in March). But the "living in the air" thing is a big problem and the observed 72+ life of CoVid inside metal ducting is...concerning.

We have no doors that open to the outside, either, just to more overly-ventilated space inside the same building.

If only there were a way of cooling a little plexiglass pod for the prof and the prof could get by without a whiteboard (what a huge thing that is, though - I don't know how math and science can be taught without the board)...

This all sounds like some dystopian future, and yet, here we are.

I am on the admin side, so I’m not in the field like our glaziers. They really did such a great job during the chaos and panic at the beginning of all of this. They did a lot of work at the hospital to make space for covid patients.

I would assume your school has a good team of electricians, plumbers, and glaziers on contract who could make it work. But that costs money, so I could understand why the school would be hesitant to pull the trigger. I’m amazed at some of the stuff our guys can make work.

eta- also, unless it’s a smart board, a whiteboard is just a piece of white glass. Peanuts to cut and install a piece.
 
  • #327
Go Uruguay!

Uruguay's Covid-19 Policy of "freedom with responsibility" shows success | The Thaiger

To the Government of Uruguay’s relief, their policy of “independence with responsibility” in the containment of the Covid-19 pandemic seems to have been successful… so far. Yesterday, when Europe opened its borders to 15 countries, Uruguay became the only Latin American country to be included. With less than 1,000 registered Covid-19 cases and just 27 deaths, the 3.4 million-plus nation is a significant anomaly in the south American countries that have become the new hotzone of coronavirus cases. Read more HERE

Uruguay currently has just 83 confirmed cases, while its giant neighbour Brazil is the hardest hit country in the world after the US.

This performance is especially impressive as there has never been an official lockdown to the extent other countries have imposed. Instead, in the midst of industrial businesses, school and border closures, authorities ‘advised’ people to stay indoors and strictly adhere to social distancing.

The message was conveyed to the public by media and police helicopters flying overhead with frequent updates and positive messaging, education and information.
 
  • #328
Interesting, although the Chronicle of Higher Education reports that 62% of colleges and universities in the U.S. plan to reopen for the fall semester. That is the plan in Ohio. Students and parents are saying that they won't pay full tuition for online learning for another semester. So this is driving the reopening. We are having a virtual faculty senate meeting this week to discuss the reopening on our campus. Because I am in a high-risk group as defined by the CDC and ADA, I am able to work remotely. But that won't be an option for most people, and they are concerned.

that’s grim, but I see the point - some of the colleges are above $50k; and then there was that push a while back for the universities to outdo each other with amenities, like the university with the lazy river (lol) and I can’t remember what-all; and to have the classes be the same ones you can grab on Coursera or iTunes U just doesn’t cut it.
 
  • #329
Ty for the update mj.
I wonder what religions reasons would prohibit the wearing of a mask.
I can understand if religious garb, costume, restricts a mask from being functional.

For customers seen removing their face masks "a verbal reminder to customers" of the requirement.

I suppose there may be some religious regalia that prohibits add-ons, or maybe there are elements in some religious services that make wask wearing impossible. If that's the case, there is an exemption for wearing the mask. But those times will be few and far between, so probably insignificant on the whole.

And yes, a verbal reminder to customers of the requirement to wear masks is all that is required. This is Canada, after all. A simple, "Please, Sir, your mask", should suffice.
 
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A million infected in just 8 days. 1st million took three months.

It took just eight days for coronavirus to infect 1 million people

Around the world, the COVID-19 pandemic is accelerating.

While some countries such as Australia and New Zealand have managed to flatten the curve, in many other parts of the world the number of cases has continued to reach new highs.

On Sunday, the World Health Organization (WHO) recorded 183,000 new cases — the single largest number of new cases reported in one day.

Over the past week, there have been more than 150,000 new cases per day on three separate days.

The numbers of new infections are now growing at such a rate that while it took some three months to reach the first 1 million cases, the last million cases was reached in just eight days.
 
  • #332
I hope my flight credit (from the airlines cancelling my summer visit to the US) does not expire before I am able to return there to visit my friends. :(
It expires in Dec 2021.
Ask for a refund. My friend had a voucher a couple of months ago and just recently asked for a refund due to a law change. Although they said no he got his money back straight to his bank account in a few days. He still has the voucher too.
 
  • #333
I suppose there may be some religious regalia that prohibits add-ons, or maybe there are elements in some religious services that make wask wearing impossible. If that's the case, there is an exemption for wearing the mask. But those times will be few and far between, so probably insignificant on the whole.

And yes, a verbal reminder to customers of the requirement to wear masks is all that is required. This is Canada, after all. A simple, "Please, Sir, your mask", should suffice.
Can I come and live with you? I'm small and don't take up much space.:)
 
  • #334
There have been almost 37,000,000 tests in the US (slightly fewer yesterday, obviously). POTUS was just rounding off to a higher number, a common tactic in campaign speeches.

Meanwhile, more and more science is showing that even the asymptomatic have lasting consequences (harmful, not harmless) to CoVid. So far, there are no harmless symptoms of Covid. The loss of sense of smell is tied to CoVid traveling up the nerves from the nasal passages into the brain. It is not a harmless symptom at all.

Ministrokes and lung damage are the two most common harmful findings in the asymptomatic and mild cases.

I'm sure most of you know that there is a post-CoVid syndrome affecting children:

New study looks at post-COVID-19 emerging disease in children

In the UK, doctors and researchers are calling for a new diagnostic code, Post-Covid Syndrome, as so many people are not fully well, even if they are no longer testing as positive for active CoVid:

Calls for 'post-Covid syndrome' to be recognised

The US has the same experience:

Here’s What Recovery From Covid-19 Looks Like for Many Survivors

It's too soon to know what to say about viral recurrence or about the lung problems that the asymptomatic show on x-ray. But, it's concerning that some people do relapse after having been cleared by their swab tests.

Clinical recurrences of COVID-19 symptoms after recovery: viral relapse, reinfection or inflammatory rebound?

There are predictors of a severe course that are related to genetics and epigenetics, but the number of genes involved is definitely more than just 1-3:

Blood biomarker score identifies individuals at high risk for severe COVID-19 a decade prior to diagnosis: metabolic profiling of 105,000 adults in the UK Biobank
Thanks for this. I find it both worrying (more for my 23 yo son who lost sense of smell too) and reassuring that I'm not imagining things.

That said, really trying to pull myself back today. Coloured my hair, painted nails, did 30 mins pilates and 10 mins on the exercise bike (building that up slowly!). Also walked the dog, sat in warm sun for half an hour or so and tidied a bit in the garden. Beef stew in oven ready for the key worker to return soon.

Good days / bad days :)
 
  • #335
-- it is a fact that too many people are being irresponsible by not wearing masks, not social distancing, attending crowded places such as bars, restaurants, or any type of large gathering. These people are preventing the virus from being contained and in fact causing spread of this horrible virus. Worst yet, if they don't have symptoms, they spread the disease to others.

I don't believe authorities want to completely contain it but just slow the spread so health services can cope. Otherwise we would not be coming out of lockdown until there is a vaccine. MOO.
 
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  • #336
Ten out of the 12 hospitals in Texas' Rio Grande Valley are now full

Hospitals in the Rio Grande Valley sounded the alarm Saturday as their beds filled to capacity with COVID-19 patients and some began transferring patients elsewhere.

Ten of 12 hospitals in Hidalgo, Cameron and Starr counties are now on “diversion status,” which means all their beds are full, although Hidalgo County spokesperson Carlos Sanchez said it’s a “fluid situation so diversions may be lifted at any moment.”

Sanchez said the state has sent medical personnel and supplies to the area to help overwhelmed hospitals, “but personnel remains a concern.”

In the Rio Grande Valley, the number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 has more than tripled over the past two weeks, from 253 people on June 22 to 820 on July 4.
 
  • #337
Okay, so onto some numbers. It's been a while since anyone posted about numbers and CoVid on these threads. <modsnip>

I'm going to do the United States numbers first.

We have tested, as of July 4 end of day, about 37 million people, a bit more than 1% of the population as a gross figure, but many people have been tested more than once. The US does not collect public data on how many individuals have been tested. That number is probably closer to 30M.

We have no nationwide system of contact tracing and only a few states are managing to do even a fraction of what is needed on that front.

Of the 30M individuals tested, 2.9 million tested positive. So we'll say 10%. If each of the tests had been done on individuals, it would be about 9.5% positivity.

As most of you know, this number (positivity) has fluctuated a great deal from place to place and over time. Early on, during the test kit shortage, tests were reserved for those about to enter the hospital. Now, many more people are getting tested.

10% positivity is not good. Various estimates say that the real rate of CoVid in the larger population must therefore be at least 5% - or perhaps 10% too, or perhaps higher (asymptomatic). We don't know. At first we were told that 50% of the CV+ people were asymptomatic, but now we know some were merely presymptomatic - or that they had unusual or mild symptoms (symptoms have been added since the first days).

If the rate is 10% population-wide, then that means 1 in 10 people you meet have CoVid. Or have had it. If you live someplace like Florida where the positivity rate is 17-20%, then it's 1 in 5 people around you...are or have been positive for CoVId. Florida's situation is a bit more dramatic, since we know that early on, their positivity rate was much lower than 20% and it's only been in the past week that it's gotten to 17-20% - so that means those are active cases, many of whom were sent home to "self-quarantine" (another topic where considered decision-making needs to be made).

The CMF (case mortality rate) for CoVid worldwide is 5%. So, if you get CoVid, you stand a 95% chance of surviving - but we all know that's age-graded. Under 25's are not dying in numbers that will even register on this global scale. For people aged 25-44, the mortality rate is likely around .25-.5% (higher with comorbidities, lower with others).

The median age of a symptomatic CoVid patient in the United States is 48. In Italy, it was 63.

The median age at death from CoVid in the US is not known, but estimated to be around 70. Worldwide, it's 79. I was able to calculate some data from California, where the 50%ile for deaths is about 72-73. In general, life expectancy in California is a bit higher than it is for some other states, but the differences should be small.

So..what about those new case rates of over 50,000 per day??

What does this mean? How scary is that? Well, given that many of those people will, if they ever get x-rayed, show some lung issues, it's a serious problem. But what about hospitalization and death?

Currently, only about 1% of the people testing positive are hospitalized. Fewer are being put on ventilators, ICU beds tend to go to people with multiple co-morbidities and very low oxygen saturation on admission (or with electrical issues with their hearts or with kidney failure). All of these serious consequences can happen very suddenly with CoVid. This rate is down from earlier, for many reasons.

IMHE projections show that with the larger number of younger people in hospitals, mortality rates will not be 5% of all cases, but some number much lower. They project about 600-650 deaths per day for at least the next month (so about 1.5% of the total new daily cases). Older people are still getting CoVid, obviously, and people in their 70's and 80's, not in care homes, are our most vulnerable population.

Since most of the new cases are in the group under 65, we can expect mortality rates to go down overall. But with the higher number of cases...total deaths will continue to rise. If 250,000 Americans are newly diagnosed with CoVid in the past 5 days, we can expect 600-700 of them to die daily in the next days or weeks. Not all will be hospitalized prior to death, obviously (especially since so many are young and relatively mild in symptoms - the organ failure issue that seems to strike people suddenly still affects the young).

If the mortality rates by the end of this week (July 11) are higher than 650, and patient age in general is lower, then we have to assume that the sheer number of comorbidities in the young American population (particularly obesity) are affecting survival rates.

650 people dead, per day, is 4550 people dead per week. 19500 per month. IMHE projects an additional 45,000 deaths by end of September. They are optimistic that we'll come down from the extraordinary current rate of 45-50,000 new cases per day (and that many of those will be in younger people who do not require hospitalization).

IMHE optimistically thinks that we'll cut back down on social contact and mobility and has not factored in the unknown variable of school reopenings. Obviously, August is projected to be a month with more deaths than June or July. July will likely exceed the optimistic projections by at least a little bit as hot spots occur in older populations (and both Florida and Arizona have so many elderly).

All of you can wager, as you wish, on whether all those relatively asymptomatic, newly-diagnosed CoVid+ people will actually stay at home. And how long do people really need to stay at home? Interesting question with new research, I need to do more homework.

IMHE, sadly, projects that if we do not tighten our restrictions on public life, that we'll be at 86,000 cases per day in September - and their mortality predictions for October and beyond have not yet been calculated, because no one knows which direction we're going in terms of opening/closing.

That will be 8,600 hospitalizations per day in September, which will overload hospitals in many states. If you want to see some of this in graphic form, try this:

Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
 
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  • #338
I don't believe authorities want to completely contain it but just slow the spread so health services can cope. Otherwise we would not be coming out of lockdown until there is a vaccine. MOO.

in order to contain it as much as possible and slow the spread, more people must
do those things i discussed in my post or the virus will continue to spread out of control
like it is now.
 
  • #339
in order to contain it as much as possible and slow the spread, more people must
do those things i discussed in my post or the virus will continue to spread out of control
like it is now.
It's not out of control where I am except one city that is still in lockdown (whack a mole mode till 19th July). So in the states, those with more than 5% positive tests need to be taking action, not everyone.

<modsnip: removed snark>
 
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What is the problem with the A/C vent being over the podium?

As you know, the virus lives for a while outside of human bodies. It can easily disperse itself entirely through a room, via just one carrier. Then, in the kinds of buildings I work in, the air is recirculated. It's too expensive to take 115-118° air from outside and cool it. So, when the system is working, the air is recirculated (day and night) through the building.

The ducts are made of metal. The virus survives up to 72 hours in the ductwork. So every single carrier in every single classroom in each of our buildings gets their virions blown throughout the building. Studies show that sitting right next to the intake system is a bad place to sit, sitting or standing right under the outflow area is not good at all.

This is true of restaurants, airplanes, bars and all other buildings with mechanical air movement. Coronavirus is in the air. HVAC systems that recirculate the air are correlated with flu viral outbreaks too, so this isn't new. We have successfully managed (sometimes) to get the heat turned off in the winter here (flu season). I haven't gone into a classroom with a working heat system in 10 years. And I'm glad. It actually took quite a bit of action to get the heat turned off in our offices as well.

Further, as I've posted over and over: humidity affects the amount of time CoVid remains viable in the air (dry is worse). Both A/C and heating dry the air. If we were to add humidifiers (cleaned several times a day of course) to classrooms, it would decrease the amount of virus in the ventilation system (but only by about a third - not nearly enough to keep a person standing directly under an output vent from getting a pretty hefty viral load).

Grocery stores are generally kept cool (and dry, except for the produce sections in some stores). Restaurants usually have ventilation. This is why those who work in those places are especially vulnerable.

I'm putting together some links on the A/C topic (I've posted a bunch before). I have permission from Tricia to post a link to them on my blog, when they're ready.
 
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