Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #66

[Lilibet]

My 89 year old father that I often lament about on here has been admitted to Walter Reed this morning. He tested neg for Covid btw (we just got that news) he is having some issues with right side weakness that just happened this morning and they have found fluid around (not in) his lungs. I too hate that people say "well they would have died in 4 months anyways" that is truly awful..these are real people who mean something to someone. No one is immune to illness and grief.

I’m so sorry about your Dad, @tabitha111. It’s very hard. Please take care of yourself. Hugs.

 

[tresir2012]

The bar managers need to stick to the guidelines that have been set in place. With customers and tables so far apart. Since we are still in the grips of a Pandemic, hand on heart, if that were my pub I would've pulled the shutters! My children lost their Great Grandfather to this in April so perhaps I take it a tad more personally, have more respect and whatnot. But it doesn't have to be that way,. For everybody to lose somebody in order to take it serious. Or does it? X

That is a public street in Soho and the police were there. What more do you think should be done? Sorry for your loss. Have you written to your MP if you are unhappy? That is what I did and I got a resolution.

 

[Lilibet]

I’m so sorry about losing your Dad @CharlestonGal. Hugs.

 

[Tate123]

I guess in one scenario, everyone runs about and does their level best to get CoVid. We reopen schools as normal, put kids on school buses, open up the colleges and universities, recruit new medical students (from a very thin pool) as the current ones get CoVid and take a month or two to recover. We live with decreasing numbers of nurses and techs per patient.

New York only managed to get to about 20-22% of its population being CV+ after what they went through.

It'll still take a long time to get through the entire population.

BTW, people who leave nursing homes after an average of 13.7 months are not always leaving due to death.

And people stay far, far longer in assisted living.

Further, please keep in mind that in several states (including mine), people who were not in nursing homes to begin with were transferred to nursing homes for their very brief stays/hospice care before dying.

At any rate, the average age of death in Italy was 79 (hardly any nursing homes) and in the US, we don't know what it is, but perhaps 70-72. The earliest data said 69, but I do not believe that got through peer review.

If you all think 70-72 is the point in time where we just give up on folks, please let me know, as it changes my worldview considerably.

Anyway, if "Society" decides to get all focused on everyone getting CoVid ASAP, I'll just remain my usual avoidant, a-social self, as I intend to avoid it. Too late for me to move to Australia or New Zealand or Vietnam, so I'll just have to avoid it here at home. Currently, that means 4X more people have to get CoVid (and 4X will die) in my county, before we ever get to where Sweden is - and that's surely where we're going.

Given, however, that the overall health indices of my State (California) are not as good as Sweden's (but better than many other U.S. states), we'll have lots of hospital expenses to cover. There goes the state budget (which is about half of total spending in many states - so the shift away from police, fire, education, roads and infrastructure into health expenses will be quite dramatic).

How long will this take? I've decided I'm not as interested in that question today, but welcome any estimates.

Many nursing homes offer rehab facilities in order to survive. They are much more transient these days.

 

[tresir2012]

Instead of a white-board, couldn’t you do the writing on your computer/laptop screen and have it projected to a whiteboard/screen?

Or get more ducting to move it away from the podium. I am seriously thinking A/C is a problem. It took a long time to track down the problem regarding legionella and my OH was involved with that fiasco in the 80's and 90's till it was resolved. Why did the Task Force rush down to Florida and the other states like they did? It will be interesting to hear what they say on their return.

 

[musicaljoke]

If that’s the case, at 74 I’m toast. I try not to dwell on it, but I already feel discounted by young people. Their careless actions, whether they realize or intend it or not, say to me that I no longer count as someone worth living if push comes to shove. So I stay home and I will do so as long as it takes to feel safe venturing out. I expect that will be a long time. It’s a good thing I’ve accepted that I just have to deal with it, as the President now advises.

I'm a fair bit younger, and I too sometimes feel as though I need to justify my existence when I see the care-less actions of some people, and especially when that seems to be tolerated at state levels. But I am also hopeful when I see the determination of many of the teens in our area to protect their parents and grandparents. They continue to sacrifice all their social outings, dating, school events, team sports, summer jobs, worship teams, and so much more.

They are bearing up under a lot of loss at this challenging time in their lives. Some of them celebrated their last day of highschool by being escorted to their locker by someone wearing a mask, cleaned out their locker and were escorted back out. That was it! No goodbyes to special friends, no thankyous to teachers who meant a lot to them. No graduation or prom dresses for them.

Yes, there are plenty of twits that care for no one but themselves, but the good people inspire me.

 

[Cool Cats]

Patrons at the Ocean Casino in Atlantic City, N.J., on July 3. Some scientists are warning that airborne transmission of the coronavirus in indoor settings has been underappreciated. Credit... Mark Makela/Getty Images

• Published July 4, 2020
  Updated July 5, 2020, 4:45 p.m. ET

239 Experts With 1 Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne

 

[Lilibet]

I'm a fair bit younger, and I too sometimes feel as though I need to justify my existence when I see the care-less actions of some people, and especially when that seems to be tolerated at state levels. But I am also hopeful when I see the determination of many of the teens in our area to protect their parents and grandparents. They continue to sacrifice all their social outings, dating, school events, team sports, summer jobs, worship teams, and so much more.

They are bearing up under a lot of loss at this challenging time in their lives. Some of them celebrated their last day of highschool by being escorted to their locker by someone wearing a mask, cleaned out their locker and were escorted back out. That was it! No goodbyes to special friends, no thankyous to teachers who meant a lot to them. No graduation or prom dresses for them.

Yes, there are plenty of twits that care for no one but themselves, but the good people inspire me.

Yes, that’s encouraging to see @musicaljoke. These teens show more maturity than some twice or three times their age. Thanks for posting.

 

[Cool Cats]

July 5, 2020, 10:29 AM EDT

..Elevators could be coronavirus-transmission hotspots and not just because of the buttons. They are small and enclosed. Someone can sneeze, leave, then you walk in.

An asymptomatic coronavirus carrier infected an apartment neighbor without sharing the same space. A study blames the building's elevator buttons.

People stand in designated areas to ensure social distancing inside an elevator at a shopping mall in Surabaya, Indonesia on March 19, 2020,

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Arts venues get £1.57bn government lifeline

Good news for "the Arts"

 

[Deleted member 158085]

July 5, 2020, 10:29 AM EDT

..Elevators could be coronavirus-transmission hotspots and not just because of the buttons. They are small and enclosed. Someone can sneeze, leave, then you walk in.

An asymptomatic coronavirus carrier infected an apartment neighbor without sharing the same space. A study blames the building's elevator buttons.

People stand in designated areas to ensure social distancing inside an elevator at a shopping mall in Surabaya, Indonesia on March 19, 2020,

This cannot be safe. I accidentally got in the elevator with a co-worker last week and immediately wondered WTH I was thinking. That was just one person that I’m next to for hours at a time anyway. But stuck in a space that small? Nope. I climbed 5 flights at the doc office a few weeks back because I wasn’t going to get in the elevator with strangers in dubious masks.

 

[Sillybilly]

This post lands at random.

The Covid19 forum was set up by Tricia for those who take this virus seriously and are concerned about its effects on them and their loved ones. If you aren't concerned about Covid then please don't post here with a view to downplaying or minimizing the threat and making others feel that their concerns are not warranted.

If Covid does not concern you, this thread is not for you.

 

[SouthAussie]

Ask for a refund. My friend had a voucher a couple of months ago and just recently asked for a refund due to a law change. Although they said no he got his money back straight to his bank account in a few days. He still has the voucher too.

No refunds. Our govt has authorised the airline conpanies to issue flight credits. They are trying to keep our biggest airlines, Qantas, from going under.

I am content with my flight credit ... it can be used on other flights. If I can't come to the US, I will go to Canada when I am allowed. (Or go to NZ several times. )


ETA: If Qantas were sent into bankruptcy when our international borders were suddenly slammed shut, none of us would have got anything. It seemed fairest that we all shared the burden.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Turkey seems to be doing well.

How Turkey took control of virus emergency

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Just saw this report on CNN

Video shows packed Michigan lake party despite warnings - CNN Video

Gathering at Diamond Lake Sandbar draws hundreds, minus masks

 

[CharlestonGal]

Excess Deaths From COVID-19 and Other Causes, March-April 2020

Between March 1, 2020, and April 25, 2020, a total of 505 059 deaths were reported in the US; 87 001 (95% CI, 86 578-87 423) were excess deaths, of which 56 246 (65%) were attributed to COVID-19. In 14 states, more than 50% of excess deaths were attributed to underlying causes other than COVID-19; these included California (55% of excess deaths) and Texas (64% of excess deaths) (Table). The 5 states with the most COVID-19 deaths experienced large proportional increases in deaths from nonrespiratory underlying causes, including diabetes (96%), heart diseases (89%), Alzheimer disease (64%), and cerebrovascular diseases (35%) (Figure). New York City experienced the largest increases in nonrespiratory deaths, notably from heart disease (398%) and diabetes (356%).

These estimates suggest that the number of COVID-19 deaths reported in the first weeks of the pandemic captured only two-thirds of excess deaths in the US. Potential explanations include delayed reporting of COVID-19 deaths and misattribution of COVID-19 deaths to other respiratory illnesses (eg, pneumonia) or to nonrespiratory causes reflecting complications of COVID-19 (eg, coagulopathy, myocarditis). Few excess deaths involved pneumonia or influenza as underlying causes.

 

[Shelby1]

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I need to say this because it bothers me every time I see it. The continued stressing of "they would have died in 5 or 6 months anyway" strikes *me* as flippant and callous. Well, maybe they would have died peacefully in their sleep, but instead they died a horrible death, ventilator or no. <modsnip: quoted post was removed>

My mother is almost 94. And while we have a very rocky relationship, I'd just as soon she not die from Covid19.

Thanks for listening.

100% agree.

I lost my 96 year old grandfather a few weeks ago. He was in a care home. And, while he tested negative for Covid, I know that it contributed to his death due to him not being able to have family and friends visit. He was super with it and loved visits. He went downhill fast when they had to restrict all visits (they did the right thing--several people that worked there and residents tested positive for Covid).

 

[Cool Cats]

This cannot be safe. I accidentally got in the elevator with a co-worker last week and immediately wondered WTH I was thinking. That was just one person that I’m next to for hours at a time anyway. But stuck in a space that small? Nope. I climbed 5 flights at the doc office a few weeks back because I wasn’t going to get in the elevator with strangers in dubious masks.

Yes, and remember it's not just sharing the same air with one person next to you, but your sharing the air of 50 people who just went before you in the past half hour in that tiny space with no ventilation!..

 

[Midgie2]

Yes, and remember it's not just sharing the same air with one person next to you, but your sharing the air of 50 people who just went before you in the past half hour in that tiny space with no ventilation!..

I never thought of the people who were previously in the elevator

 

[rogue ant]

I don't believe authorities want to completely contain it but just slow the spread so health services can cope. Otherwise we would not be coming out of lockdown until there is a vaccine. MOO.

What government can afford the "lockdown until a vaccine" scenario though? And would you expect people like grocery store clerks, etc, to keep working while the lucky ones stay home and ride it out for another year or more. I keep hearing "we're all in this together" and it makes me laugh.