Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #66

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  • #421
:eek: I never thought of the people who were previously in the elevator

It might not be a bad idea to watch how NY city got itself somewhat under control ... at least reduced the numbers drastically. They have a huge population in a relatively small space, and seem to be quite good at learning to deal with that. imo
 
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The CDC reported that combined deaths from pneumonia, COVID-19, and influenza-like illness as a percentage of deaths from all causes fell for the 10th straight week, and is now all the way down to 5.9%, right at the epidemic threshold for pneumonia and influenza-like illness.
COVIDView, Key Updates for Week 26

This CDC chart shows combined deaths pneumonia, influenza-like illness, and COVID-19 as a percentage of deaths from all causes versus the pneumonia and influenza-like illness threshold.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...iew/07032020/images/nchs-mortality-report.gif

Per the CDC data, total COVID-19 deaths for the week ending February 1, 2020 through the week ending June 27, 2020 (112,700) are 8.8% of deaths from all causes (1,284,593) during that same period.
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) (see Table 1)

Per the CDC data percentage of all-cause deaths attributable to COVID-19 reached a peak of 21.7% (16,373 COVID-19 deaths out of 75,282 all-cause deaths) during the week of April 18th, and has fallen each week since, and is now down to just 1.6% (313 COVID-19 deaths out of 19,889 all-cause deaths).
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) (see Table 1)

The percentage has been in the single digits through June:
Week ending June 6: 8.2% (4,306 COVID-19 deaths out of 52,219 all-cause deaths)
Week ending June 13: 6.6% (3,142 COVID-19 deaths out of 47,901 all-cause deaths)
Week ending June 20: 4.4% (1,640 COVID-19 deaths out of 37,618 all-cause deaths)
Week ending June 27: 1.6% ( 313 COVID-19 deaths out of 19,889 all-cause deaths)
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) (see Table 1)
 
  • #423
:eek: I never thought of the people who were previously in the elevator

Yup! Time to get in shape taking those stairs! Breath "cleaner" air...

Do you ride the elevator or take the stairs during the Covid19 pandemic?


Elevator vs. stairs
 
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  • #424

I have visited Turkey several times. It really is a lovely place to visit. This bit is really interesting from your BBC link because of other media I have been reading today.

"Turkey embraces hydroxychloroquine
The country has public health lessons to offer, according to acting head of the World Health Organization (WHO) in Turkey, Dr Irshad Shaikh.

"Initially we were worried," he told the BBC. "They were having 3,500 positive cases per day. But what has worked is testing. And they did not have to wait five or six days for results." He also credits the quarantine, isolation and contract tracing measures but says it's too soon to judge Turkey's treatment protocol for patients.

Controversially that includes the anti-malarial drug, hydroxychloroquine, as standard. It's much touted by President Donald Trump - but has been roundly rejected by the latest international research.

The WHO has temporarily suspended it from their trial of possible treatments for the virus. That followed research published in the Lancet which suggested hydroxychloroquine can cause cardiac problems in Covid-19 patients, and could do more harm than good.

We were given access to a hospital where it has been part of the standard treatment for thousands of patients. The Dr Sehit Ilhan Varank hospital, a two-year old-state hospital, is also state of the art. It's a bright, spacious battlefront against the virus.

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Image captionTurkey has been using the drug hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid-19 patients
Chief doctor Nurettin Yiyit - whose art work is on the hospital walls - says it's key to use hydroxychloroquine early. "Other countries are using this drug too late," he says, "especially the United States. We only use it at the beginning. We have no hesitation about this drug. We believe it's effective because we get the results."

On a tour of the hospital, adding and subtracting protective layers as we go, he explains that Turkey's approach is to "get ahead of the virus", by treating early and treating aggressively. They use hydroxychloroquine and other drugs, along with blood plasma and oxygen in high concentrations.

Dr Yiyit is proud of his hospital's mortality rate of under 1%, and of the empty beds in the intensive care unit. They try to keep patients out of here, and off ventilators.

We meet 40-year old Hakim Sukuk who has left the ICU and is homeward bound, brimming with gratitude.

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Image captionHakim Sukuk is heading home after treatment
"Everyone took care of me so well," he said, sitting up in bed. "It was like being in my mother's arms."
 
  • #425
Yup! Time to get in shape taking those stairs! Breath "cleaner" air...

Do you ride the elevator or take the stairs during the Covid19 pandemic?

Elevator vs. stairs
I think people climbing stairs are exhaling a lot more than people standing still in an elevator so it's about even imo. If I enter a stairwell I have no idea how many people were there just before me, much the same as an elevator.
 
  • #426
Just saw this report on CNN :mad:

Video shows packed Michigan lake party despite warnings - CNN Video

Gathering at Diamond Lake Sandbar draws hundreds, The word I want to call them is probably going to stay in my head. How can people enjoy that? It is stupid nonsense. Having things go on like this is getting unreal. No words. My young daughter just came home from the grocery store of course wore a mask because she has brains! She had to get groceries for Grandma for when she cares for her this week. Grandma (husbands Mom) has another Chemo treatment tomorrow. Plus my Dad just had his cancer treatment last Wednesday. I am tired of this carefree playtime by people. By all means these people should at least hide their stupidity from others that try. I try to ignore many things even mask choices but this stuff has to stop!
 
  • #427
What government can afford the "lockdown until a vaccine" scenario though? And would you expect people like grocery store clerks, etc, to keep working while the lucky ones stay home and ride it out for another year or more. I keep hearing "we're all in this together" and it makes me laugh.
Depends when the vaccine is ready. UK is paying some furlough costs till September. With a small posivity rate, (less than 5%) reopening has now gone ahead in some countries and some states, with lockdown returning as necessary.
 
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It might not be a bad idea to watch how NY city got itself somewhat under control ... at least reduced the numbers drastically. They have a huge population in a relatively small space, and seem to be quite good at learning to deal with that. imo

They have been amazing - but now, they have decided to open up. Fortunately, it may turn out that they have about 22-22% immunity already. The degree of immunity conferred by a prior case of CoVid seems to vary a great deal.

But, people are back out. Their daily case rate is trending upward (just a little). The weekend numbers aren't in but yesterday, I believe they were at 800+ new cases. Sounds small of course - as CoVid always does at first.

I do think NY will figure out a way to keep those 800 cases from getting to 1000.
 
  • #430
They have been amazing - but now, they have decided to open up. Fortunately, it may turn out that they have about 22-22% immunity already. The degree of immunity conferred by a prior case of CoVid seems to vary a great deal.

But, people are back out. Their daily case rate is trending upward (just a little). The weekend numbers aren't in but yesterday, I believe they were at 800+ new cases. Sounds small of course - as CoVid always does at first.

I do think NY will figure out a way to keep those 800 cases from getting to 1000.

Yes, it is all a steep learning curve for us all, isn't it? I am happy, though, for strong leadership everywhere who a very focussed on helping the population deal with this nasty pandemic.
 
  • #431
You apparently didn't read or understand the points he made in the piece.

As for the gone comment, he's referring to the COVID-19 situation in Switzerland no longer being a significant issue. Switzerland had its first reported case on Feb. 25th, hit 30,000 cases on May 5th, and has had only about 2,000 cases since. Similarly, Switzerland had its first reported COVID-19 death on March 5 and had reported a total of 1,805 COVID-19 deaths by May 6th, but has reported only 160 COVID-19 deaths since.
70 new cases today in S'Land. 1,003 active cases.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 11,543,532 Cases and 536,344 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
 
  • #432
Does anyone exactly know the present stance of WHO regarding Hydroxychloroquine? I have seen posts saying trials were stopped due to it being harmful and seen others saying it was successsful due to a study in Michigan. Now we have this additional positive statement from a Turkish WHO source. It is all a little confusing. The 1% mortality is pretty impressive from Turkey, stated in that MSM report.
 
  • #433
I think people climbing stairs are exhaling a lot more than people standing still in an elevator so it's about even imo. If I enter a stairwell I have no idea how many people were there just before me, much the same as an elevator.
Yup! We all have to weigh all the factors we can and make our safest decisions.

Forgot my mask! Should I go in the store anyway?

The store is super crowded, should I come back later?

8 of us are invited to a family cookout - do I go?

Should I stop at that garage sale?

Garage sale outside Charlotte was exposure site for COVID-19

OOPS! I GUESS NOT
 
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  • #435
BBM

I know you mean well @Trident, and your suggestions are great for those who are feeling a bit low because they are at loose ends, but a depressed person isn’t depressed because they are failing to put enough effort into life. Depression is a very tricky thing, and to be told there is “no need to be depressed” if you’ll just do this and this and that and that and, and, and....is not helpful.

Respectfully, perhaps you don’t realize or acknowledge that a depressed person may not be able to pull themselves together to do any of this, including praying and reading the Bible, no matter how much they want to. And feeling like a failure because they blame themselves for not trying hard enough, they will feel more depressed. And that could tip someone over the edge to giving up.

I say this as someone who has struggled with depression and takes medication. It is the medication that enables me to do many of the positive things you suggest, and it helps me stay positive right now. I don’t have the option of handling depression without meds. I’ve tried. I’ve really, really tried. I’m really glad you are able to do so many positive things without needing meds for messed up brain chemistry. But the truth is, we are living in tough times that are unprecedented and many people who have never felt deep depression are struggling, and not for lack of trying.
JMO

And I know you mean well also Lilibet. Thing is I know all about depression being BiPolar II, raised by a manic-depressive mother and a few other interstng relatives, I know all about the highs and lows and in betweens of this disease.

With credentials out of the way, let me say I'm saddened that a heart-felt post, meant with love and kindness couldn't be taken that way. I'm sorry that everything has to be a fight and one-upmanship during this time of trouble with the virus and other things.

What we need right now, IMO, is more love, understandding, positive ways to face every day, not more harping on anything and everything. Maybe it's time people lightened up. I hear a walk in God's sunshine is a great help against Covid 19.

My Opinion Only, in love
 
  • #436
The CDC reported that combined deaths from pneumonia, COVID-19, and influenza-like illness as a percentage of deaths from all causes fell for the 10th straight week, and is now all the way down to 5.9%, right at the epidemic threshold for pneumonia and influenza-like illness.
COVIDView, Key Updates for Week 26

This CDC chart shows combined deaths pneumonia, influenza-like illness, and COVID-19 as a percentage of deaths from all causes versus the pneumonia and influenza-like illness threshold.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...iew/07032020/images/nchs-mortality-report.gif

Per the CDC data, total COVID-19 deaths for the week ending February 1, 2020 through the week ending June 27, 2020 (112,700) are 8.8% of deaths from all causes (1,284,593) during that same period.
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) (see Table 1)

Per the CDC data percentage of all-cause deaths attributable to COVID-19 reached a peak of 21.7% (16,373 COVID-19 deaths out of 75,282 all-cause deaths) during the week of April 18th, and has fallen each week since, and is now down to just 1.6% (313 COVID-19 deaths out of 19,889 all-cause deaths).
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) (see Table 1)

The percentage has been in the single digits through June:
Week ending June 6: 8.2% (4,306 COVID-19 deaths out of 52,219 all-cause deaths)
Week ending June 13: 6.6% (3,142 COVID-19 deaths out of 47,901 all-cause deaths)
Week ending June 20: 4.4% (1,640 COVID-19 deaths out of 37,618 all-cause deaths)
Week ending June 27: 1.6% ( 313 COVID-19 deaths out of 19,889 all-cause deaths)
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) (see Table 1)
I noticed this earlier today and thought it is worth keeping an eye on.
 
  • #437
And I know you mean well also Lilibet. Thing is I know all about depression being BiPolar II, raised by a manic-depressive mother and a few other interstng relatives, I know all about the highs and lows and in betweens of this disease.

With credentials out of the way, let me say I'm saddened that a heart-felt post, meant with love and kindness couldn't be taken that way. I'm sorry that everything has to be a fight and one-upmanship during this time of trouble with the virus and other things.

What we need right now, IMO, is more love, understandding, positive ways to face every day, not more harping on anything and everything. Maybe it's time people lightened up. I hear a walk in God's sunshine is a great help against Covid 19.

My Opinion Only, in love

I completely agree. A walk with my dog on the beach is the cure to many things.
 
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  • #439
Yes, and remember it's not just sharing the same air with one person next to you, but your sharing the air of 50 people who just went before you in the past half hour in that tiny space with no ventilation!..:confused:
Yeah its frightening. I wear an N95 just for the elevator. I switch when I get out.
 
  • #440
Yup! Time to get in shape taking those stairs! Breath "cleaner" air...

Do you ride the elevator or take the stairs during the Covid19 pandemic?


Elevator vs. stairs
I live on the 28th floor...lol
 
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