Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #66

[Reasonable & Just]

You are more polite than I. I call it callous and sadistic.

The Governor's office is still closed to the public protect him from Covid, right? It's almost like some people matter more than others. It really burns me to see the talking heads and politicians push the "sweep it under the rug" narrative from the comfort of their homes.

Of course schools need to go back in session. The economy goes nowhere without it, and a generation will sacrifice its future. But are they actually going to support safety? Any guidance about logistics - other than insisting on 5 or more days per week for the entire student population? Will there be money for PPE and retrofits? Doubtful with that guy at the helm. All of this came 10 hours after an all-caps tweet, so we know where the marching orders are coming from. But who knows...

 

[CharlestonGal]

This is a pandemic - a national emergency. State or federal should fund the costs IMO.

If it can fund Biden's law firm why can't it fund the tests of those who cannot afford a test?

Biden-founded law firm, as well as a company tied to Pelosi, received PPP funds, docs show | Fox News

It is immaterial where I am from - I was employed by POTUS and the DOD for decades. I am allowed to comment on WS.

There is a long list of things our government "should" do for our citizens. "Should" doesn't make any of it so.

 

[tresir2012]

Because millions of people don't have health insurance...?

The US health care system is very difficult for outsiders to understand, particularly when they are accustomed to having a national health care scheme as most developed nations do.

We must purchase our health care here in the US and it's so expensive millions cannot afford it. Medical bankruptcy is woefully common and people lose their entire savings, homes, and retirement accounts to medical bills.

On top of the usual sorry state of US health care, millions in the US have lost their jobs due to covid, which means they also lost their health insurance.

As I said, it can be difficult for outsiders to understand when they are accustomed to their government providing health care as a basic right. We don't have that.

We pay for it too. It isn't a "basic right". I know that is hard for those outside the UK to understand but it isn't free.

 

[COSCitizen]

Just due to wording, I *think* the state of indiana covered uninsured tests but billed where insurance exists. It was something to the effect of "tests are free to everyone, but please bring insurance info if you have insurance". Jmo

I think that's the way Colorado was handling it at one point. Not sure now if things have changed.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

This is a pandemic - a national emergency. State or federal should fund the costs IMO.

If it can fund Biden's law firm why can't it fund the tests of those who cannot afford a test?

Biden-founded law firm, as well as a company tied to Pelosi, received PPP funds, docs show | Fox News

It is immaterial where I am from - I was employed by POTUS and the DOD for decades. I am allowed to comment on WS.

Then from your lips to POTUS' ears - this was on June 26 - during a pandemic: Obamacare Must 'Fall,' Trump Administration Tells Supreme Court

Seriously, I hope you have some influence, and I am not being snarky about it. We could use all the help we can get. Jared got help (and that's some self-dealing right there that should never have been permitted) Jared Kushner’s family, Trump building tenants received coronavirus business aid: SBA. Trump's Grand Doral resort is about to get another shot in the arm this week for a "briefing" that could be done safely in DC, rather than travel to a hotspot and endanger more SS agents. Trump to travel to coronavirus hotspot to talk South America drug trafficking - CNNPolitics

So why not help us, the taxpayers?

 

[tresir2012]

There is a long list of things our government "should" do for our citizens. "Should" doesn't make any of it so.

In my opinion they should. If they want to lockdown and remove the right to work, they should pay for the costs of taking that away. Testing is a cost of that. If people die because they cannot afford the test or the health care then that is not a first world nation IMO.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I predict a lot of distance learning. From what I've seen locally (indiana) a lot of parents are opting for alternative, out of the physical school, learning. I would hope parents in Florida do likewise.

New York schools will likely do a blend, but I don't understand how the child care part will work - lots of kids cannot be left alone. Are you hearing any solutions in your neck of the woods?

 

[CharlestonGal]

We pay for it too. It isn't a "basic right". I know that is hard for those outside the UK to understand but it isn't free.

Interesting. So your citizens get medical bills for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, too, like we do?

I didn't think so.

 

[SouthAussie]

We pay for it too. It isn't a "basic right". I know that is hard for those outside the UK to understand but it isn't free.

I understand it. It is a basic right. No-one is excluded. And yes we do all pay for it ... except for those people who live solely on govt benefits for their entire lives.

Thank goodness we have it at this time, to help us financially should we end up in hospital with the virus.

 

[CSIDreamer]

New York schools will likely do a blend, but I don't understand how the child care part will work - lots of kids cannot be left alone. Are you hearing any solutions in your neck of the woods?

Not really. I'm not in the thick of conversations but I'm guessing stay at home parents or those working from home are at the advantage. Jmo

 

[Tate123]

Florida Department of Education rules that schools must reopen next month

I'm worried for our teachers, staff and administrators. Especially with our numbers rising every day - how in the world are you going to social distance in the classroom? FL is delusional.
JMO

This is unconscionable really... parents/grandparents/vulnerable be damned.

 

[oviedo]

How is Covid preventable and why are posters victim blaming?

preventable in that if she had not attended a church function with a lot of people she would not have gotten it possibly - it's not victim blaming IMO.
ETA: from the article - this is what I was referring to -

Report: Teen who died from COVID-19 attended a huge church party | Boston.com
A medical examiner’s report recently made public, however, is now raising questions about Carsyn’s case. The Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner found that the immunocompromised teen went to a large church party with roughly 100 other children where she did not wear a mask and social distancing was not enforced. Then, after getting sick, nearly a week passed before she was taken to the hospital, and during that time her parents gave her hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug touted by President Donald Trump that the Food and Drug Administration has issued warnings about, saying usage could cause potentially deadly heart rhythm problems.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Active US cases now 1,583,827.

Next up is Brazil at 490,423, followed by India at 261,261.

We (US) have to turn this around somehow. We have to. Despite our leaders sweeping it under the carpet.

Seriously, what the actual hell, America??? We can't continue like this.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I predict a lot of distance learning. From what I've seen locally (indiana) a lot of parents are opting for alternative, out of the physical school, learning. I would hope parents in Florida do likewise.

I don't think distance learning was well received and a success here in the US during the Mar-June shutdown.

 

[SouthAussie]

Active US cases now 1,583,827.

Next up is Brazil at 490,423, followed by India at 261,261.

We (US) have to turn this around somehow. We have to. Despite our leaders sweeping it under the carpet.

Seriously, what the actual hell, America??? We can't continue like this.

No, you can't.

I was reading a study today about how this is affecting the mental health of so many Americans. 1 in 4 people suffering.
Isolation, depression, anxiety, fear .........

The study I was reading was from April. Goodness knows how the count of people mentally suffering is now, in July.

 

[oviedo]

I don't think distance learning did too well in the US during the Mar-June shutdown.

Interesting - my neighborhood community club said it did not work well for their elementary aged children in the beginning - almost all of them (80) were unhappy with it - but that was mixed with working parents unable to work because of it (younger children). I have several parents with college age kids who did not like it and thought it wasn't helping their student's education - my own experience was quite positive - my student is not returning to campus and will graduate early through online only because her major allows it and the university supports it. I think it depends on the student and the teacher(s) - I will see how the club parents react because for now, parents can choose online as well as in person.
JMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

We found the average charge per COVID-19 patient requiring a hospital stay to be $73,300. That charge is the estimated cost for a patient with no health insurance. It’s also the cost for a patient seeing an out-of-network provider and whose health plan has no out-of-network benefit.

The average estimated in-network amount per privately insured patient is lower: $38,221. The in-network amount is the amount that the providers in the plan’s network have agreed to accept as full payment. It includes both the amount the plan pays and the amount the patient pays. The amount the patient pays is based on the cost-sharing provisions of the plan.

Costs for a Hospital Stay for COVID-19 | FAIR Health

These numbers are useful to know to help you understand how much the COVID-19 pandemic is costing our country. But it’s also important to know that they’re not the actual amount you’re likely to have to pay if you or someone in your family gets COVID-19. If you have insurance, your costs will be determined by the cost-sharing terms of your health plan. If you don’t have insurance, your costs will vary based on your specific case. And you may be able to negotiate a lower amount with your providers.

 

[tresir2012]

the last time I checked Amazon for masks, I had to search quite a long time to find a listing for folks without a medical business license. I hope the limits on purchasing are helping.



I’m on Obamacare right now and it’s exorbitant if you want a high level of service. Granted I have now discovered I didn’t need platinum; but in prior years I’ve needed a lot of physical therapy for crappy back, etc. The platinum is $1,100-plus per month, and I still paid out of pocket for dental.

Also, when I was looking last November, it was my anecdotal experience that certain insurance purveyors were only offering a certain number of plans for a certain number of enrollees under Obamacare, and that when they topped out, those vendors disappeared entirely from the marketplace (I had searched once in October, before opting to keep prior employer’s COBRA for remainder of plan year; and United/Oxford at minimum had entirely disappeared as an option by beginning December when I went back).

I cannot comment what I think as it is OT to the COVID thread. What I suggest is that posters check prices of Covid drugs in America and other nations. Also, when looking at studies, check the bottom of the study, where they have to declare conflicts of interest.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Active US cases now 1,583,827.
Next up is Brazil at 490,423, followed by India at 261,261.
We (US) have to turn this around somehow. We have to. Despite our leaders sweeping it under the carpet.
Seriously, what the actual hell, America??? We can't continue like this.

"LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT!"

'We need to live with it': White House readies new message for the nation on coronavirus

ugh, my tongue hurts.

 

[mickey2942]

I don't think distance learning was well received and a success here in the US during the Mar-June shutdown.

The problem is that distance learning is not equal for all students. Especially those who receive Special Education services.