Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #70

[Midgie2]

While it seems to be safer to be outside, hence all the outdoor bars and restaurants serving on patios etc. But what happens when the weather turns colder? I mean it may seem obvious to not go inside to these places I have no doubt that it will continue to be a source of many infections. And the people who frequent these places will be hell bent on keeping them open, no matter the cost.
Or they will gather at peoples homes.
And I see much of that in my neighborhood.
I fear for this winter.

 

[Bravo]

While it seems to be safer to be outside, hence all the outdoor bars and restaurants serving on patios etc. But what happens when the weather turns colder? I mean it may seem obvious to not go inside to these places I have no doubt that it will continue to be a source of many infections. And the people who frequent these places will be hell bent on keeping them open, no matter the cost.
Or they will gather at peoples homes.
And I see much of that in my neighborhood.
I fear for this winter.

Agree

 

[CSIDreamer]

HHS directed and posted on the CDC site, yesterday. The links in the last thread, will try to find. But its up and running with the same data.

Certain information was never, nor do I see being available to the public. Like number of Covid pts, drugs on hand inventory, ICU capacity..that's considered proprietary information and won't be released. Can you imagine if it was, folks would be hospital shopping.

Aside from drug inventory, that's all on my state dashboard. # of new admissions, # currently hospitalized, ICU bed usage, ventilators in use. It's a statewide tally though, not per hospital.

 

[Simply Southern]

Aside from drug inventory, that's all on my state dashboard. # of new admissions, # currently hospitalized, ICU bed usage, ventilators in use. It's a statewide tally though, not per hospital.

It is for Virginia Hospitals as a whole but not by each individual hospital.

 

[tresir2012]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

TY. I am a little worried as it is marked "not for public distribution" .

Is there a publically available copy?

 

[zecats]

You know which masks are great and comfortable in a summer? Real silk masks. People who are complaining they can't breathe in masks should really just try them. Silk is good for skin and is very breathable.
Apparently they might be good as covid protection too. So instead of doing ridiculous things like wearing a mesh or a lace mask, just use a real silk mask.
"The researchers found that when used for protection of the face, silk is the most effective at preventing the penetration of droplets, and the least absorptive of water, because of its intensely hydrophobic character compared to the other fabrics tested. In short, the face coverings made of 100% washed silk repelled water just as effectively as masks, but are hydrophobic, unlike the latter, and can be made ready for immediate reuse by sterilization."
Silk useful as face mask and PPE in COVID-19

I have a silk gaiter that looks nice around my neck when I'm not wearing it as a mask. But I did recently get my Disney (cotton) masks with Mickey and Minnie patterns. I see them as the latest fashion statement personally.

 

[CharlestonGal]

TY. I am a little worried as it is marked "not for public distribution" .

Is there a publically available copy?

No idea.

 

[24Roses]

Iowa numbers today: As of 10:00 a.m. today, we have 287 new confirmed cases for a total of 37,903 confirmed cases of which 27,800 have recovered. 3 more have passed away for a total of 785. July 18: 287 new cases, 249 recoveries, and three deaths Here is what the IDPH has for their 11:00 a.m numbers today: 37,904 confirmed cases of which 27,806 have recovered and 787 have passed away. Iowa COVID-19 Information

 

[Simply Southern]

It is that easy actually. During the next round of coronavirus relief package discussions this month, congress can simply invoke the Spending Clause and deny aid to states that do not meet certain conditions. A declared public health emergency certainly exceeds the threshold for "the general welfare of the country."

Dianne Feinstein has already written such an amendment to the next bailout bill. Easy peasy.

Calif. Sen. Feinstein wants to deny coronavirus money to states that don't require masks

Not so much easy peasy...

It did pass the House of Representatives but would have to pass the Senate and president can sign or veto.

If vetoed.... Then it would be pushed back to both the House and the Senate to override with a majority vote to override the veto.

Not sure this bill will pass the next two check points.

Moo....

 

[zecats]

@Bravo , is your PM still giving daily pressers on such?

Others, is Cuomo still giving pressers on such?

I followed and then went away from this for a month, and I don't even know. I followed daily for months...

I don't see links for such being posted anymore, so I assume have stopped. Such a shame if so that they aren't taking place.

If you have FB, you can follow Gov Cuomo there. Many of his updates are there instead of the national news channels these days. He does continue to post all the numbers as in the past. And you can get a bit of his personality mixed in when he "adds to his story," with his daughters, his mom, his dog, and "the boyfriend." Our Governor, Murphy, is still doing daily press conferences and these again are on his FB page or often on the state public new station..NJ.com.

 

[tresir2012]

While it seems to be safer to be outside, hence all the outdoor bars and restaurants serving on patios etc. But what happens when the weather turns colder? I mean it may seem obvious to not go inside to these places I have no doubt that it will continue to be a source of many infections. And the people who frequent these places will be hell bent on keeping them open, no matter the cost.
Or they will gather at peoples homes.
And I see much of that in my neighborhood.
I fear for this winter.

In Berlin, they still have outdoor seating but with blankets on the chairs.
(Personal experience of Berlin in the cold weather)

 

[tresir2012]

No idea.

Well where did you get it from? We have to be able to have a verified source for facts.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

So here's a snapshot from my NY town, which is getting ready to bring back college kids.

Last week, it felt delightful to go shopping and see the Starbucks reopened in the store. People wearing masks, distancing, all that. This week, same good behaviors, but WAY more people, and the mall is open now.

Husband and I visited local restaurant to eat outside. We did see the indoor dining space - lots of plastic partitioning. It all should "feel" normal, but it's really a sense of dread.

Kiddo tells me about customers scoffing more and more about masks in the store. It's like we are victims of our own "success" in that our county has few cases. So people think it's not a problem, that it's all hype. What people fail to understand is exponential growth - you start slow and low, but when you get careless, it will skyrocket. All they see is the success. Then reality hits, seemingly out of nowhere. This seems to be happening in parts of CA right now. It will happen to us, too, I am sure.

So I bought some powdered milk and a little extra toilet paper and food while I was out. We have to be in this for the long haul, and plan for success (progress + safety) every step of the way.

Glad you are finding a little more "normal" (new normal). We havent eaten out here yet but our local pub is now open for business.

Re supplies, I think now is a good time to buy because a lot of things that were in short supply a while back are now plentiful here. For instance, Mr HKP bought a box of hand sanitiser. It's just going to live in the under stairs cupboard, out of sight and out of mind (but enough for family if needed later). We also have a good stock of Dettol (our "Lysol"). I need to restock our Paracetamol (Tylenol?) supplies because I took those round the clock. These were hard to find for a short time.

We'll put in early orders for logs for the wood burner and oil (we have oil fueled hot water and heat). Make sure car fuel doesnt get too low.

Food wise, I dont plan to stockpile too much. I found that we were out of shopping circulation for two weeks, when my guys here had to self isolate around me, which wasnt too bad. We had enough food to see us through that, except for milk - yes, powdered milk is a good idea. I might buy some yeast and bread flour, if the dates are ok. Otherwise, I'll just make sure the cupboard staples are replenished - tuna, passata, kidney beans, pasta etc.

I think these steps will subtley reassure me without making me feel panicked. Or cause my son to label me a doomsday prepper

 

[ilovewings]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...n_virussuperspreader-235pm:homepage/story-ans

Good article with lots of info about superspreaders and the events that result in the spread of the virus. There are so many variables it makes your head spin!

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I have a silk gaiter that looks nice around my neck when I'm not wearing it as a mask. But I did recently get my Disney (cotton) masks with Mickey and Minnie patterns. I see them as the latest fashion statement personally.

I had a v sweet chat with my mum today. She said her hairdresser had a mask with polka dots, her sister has bought some with twinkly stars and she's going to browse a weblink someone gave her to choose some. I said who'd ever have thought that we'd be talking mask fashion?!

 

[10ofRods]

Thanks for this perspective.

I think the Supreme Court would have to decide. Can you imagine how bogged down that would get.

Many people don’t understand federalism and the division of powers. The federal government cant’t force laws upon the states. It’s not that easy. Thus the pickle we are in.

Let’s not forget the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The Supreme Court ruled that I have to cover the top of my body, no choice. It's really unlikely that a mask decision would have to go to the SC (I'd love to see which State Supreme Courts take a stance against prior UCSC decisions).

We already have a lot of regulation at the federal level...in fact, much of it deeper into technology and more controversial than wearing masks.

If the current administration can threaten to withhold federal funds to states whose schools open, it could surely threaten to do the same about mask wearing.

 

[10ofRods]

While it seems to be safer to be outside, hence all the outdoor bars and restaurants serving on patios etc. But what happens when the weather turns colder? I mean it may seem obvious to not go inside to these places I have no doubt that it will continue to be a source of many infections. And the people who frequent these places will be hell bent on keeping them open, no matter the cost.
Or they will gather at peoples homes.
And I see much of that in my neighborhood.
I fear for this winter.

This is exactly why most epidemiologists also fear the winter. Here in California, it won't be as stark a contrast, but all over the world, many places will get cold. Late last winter, ski resorts in Europe became super-spreaders.

It seems to me that what with so many summer occupations (people who work at fairs, festivals, etc) axed this year, we'd want to save the winter gig people from the same fate.

I just don't get why people don't realize that we have to shut this down and get it under control if the economy is ever to recover.

Winter could be pretty grim - and now that there's CV in every single state (and pretty much throughout every state, even if in small numbers), the states that truly have cold weather are in for it. I haven't seen much or any research about whether CV slows down in transmission if places are kept cold, but it does seem that it does not. It is able to survive fairly cool temperatures.

The idea that so many jobs (in the US, nationwide) are "essential" may need to be re-examined.

And surely...we want the schools to open, so we need to get off our backsides and solve this. It's going to take a nationwide system of cooperation (aka Federal Policy).

 

[slowpoke]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed BUT the response below has been edited by Admin to give context>

Here’s an article about this with a link to a tweet that includes the "Pandemic Handbook" document. The article also says that in a 5/14 exchange with reporters on the WH lawn Kayleigh McEnany acknowledged the playbook, holding it up, but dismissed its usefulness.
Obama team left pandemic playbook for Trump administration, officials confirm

 

[Simply Southern]

Every little bit helps. FDA approves pool testing.

FDA issues first emergency use authorization for Covid-19 pool testing - CNN

The US Food and Drug Administration on Saturday announced it has issued an emergency use authorization that allows the laboratory Quest Diagnostics to pool samples from up to four individuals to test for Covid-19.

This is the first Covid-19 diagnostic test in the United States to be authorized for use with pooled samples, the agency said in a statement.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Task force: '1 in every 8 Coastal Bend residents has COVID-19' | khou.com

85 infants tested positive for coronavirus in 1 Texas county as U.S. sets new daily case record

I really don't want this to be true. I hope they suffer no consequences of the infection.