Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #70

[Trino]

Then we cross that bridge when we come to it. We are not there yet.

Brick and mortar schools, most likely, are not the distant future. In 100 years I don't see them being around.

 

[Trino]

Until we have a vaccine or cure there must be a change in lifestyle for most of us. When a mayor is sued because he/she orders mask wearing, and a business refuses to shut down it can appear that actions are not being taken to get Covid under control.

Every child in school represents one or more households. How many first graders are going to social distance, especially when they cannot "see" the virus. MOO, is children are going to catch and carry this virus home with them. Not to mention what will happen when teacher start taking the virus to their families, or worse.

Let's stop the spread of this virus. That IMO should be our priority. We can reverse economic problems, we cannot reverse death.

Re schools: Do as I say, not as I do - at the highest level.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Re schools: Do as I say, not as I do - at the highest level.

Those with means are likely not going to muck around with this. They will hire tutors and nannies until the coast is clear. Those without means will send their kids back to school because they cannot afford tutors and need the schools to provide de facto daycare so they can return to work. The typical divide between the haves and the have nots.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Partying Like There's No Pandemic: Hundreds Of Maskless Revellers Pack The Streets Of New York With Plastic Cups And No Social Distancing Until 4Am - And Cops Can't Do Anything


The streets of Astoria in Queens, New York, were packed on Friday night with people partying without a single face mask in sight.

Video shot and posted online shows throngs of revelers with drinks in hand and mingling closely with one another - with the coronavirus pandemic seemingly out of mind.

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Wow.

 

[margarita25]

World Sets Daily Record In New Coronavirus Cases

“A street artist spray paints a protective face mask over an old mural featuring a Venezuelan Indigenous man, in Caracas, Venezuela, on Saturday. Globally, new daily cases hit an all time high, the World Health Organization reports.”
Matias Delacroix/AP

 

[Simply Southern]

Right. And no one can find this response plan to which she refers. It's been two months and no one has found it yet.

I would certainly like to know what this response plan says we are supposed to be doing to manage covid.

ETA: If it's unconstitutional to have a national plan, why does the press secretary say they have one?

I don't think the national emergency response plan will be public information. CDC, FEMA, and other agencies issue pamphlets, flyers, etc with information for citizens.

The federal, state, local government, hospitals, schools, power, medical companies and more are required to have emergency plans for every emergency/ disaster. The plans all follow the same format, local plans roll up to state, state roll up to the feds. All plans are based first local response followed by state, and finally feds.

We see these plans used in mock disasters and drills. A good example is hurricane, earthquake, or mass fires.

The plans are extremely detailed. Much of this information is not shared with the public, NOT available under the FOIA. Not sure what classification the government places on them, but hospitals label every page, " proprietary information" or "client attorney privileged", preventing even the court or government from acquiring access.

Moo...Certain congressional committees I would think have access to view/read the national plan.

The plans have some pretty difficult/gory stuff to read, especially mass casualty disasters.

What the government, businesses, hospitals, schools do release are guidance sheets, pamphlets, posters with simple information to assist citizens.

My work involved preparing these plans and I helped with our county one. It's a joint effort by all local agencies, Red Cross, EMS, hospital, HD, Fire, LE, power company, hospital and more.

Moo...

 

[Trino]

Let's see what happens next. Of course, by the time it gets to the USSC, CoVid will hopefully be over.

(I can't believe the state supreme court did that - poor WI).

There have been at least 45,118 cases of coronavirus in Wisconsin, according to a New York Times database. As of Saturday evening, at least 852 people had died. 5829 cases in the last 7 days.

 

[Midgie2]

Those with means are likely not going to muck around with this. They will hire tutors and nannies until the coast is clear. Those without means will send their kids back to school because they cannot afford tutors and need the schools to provide de facto daycare so they can return to work. The typical divide between the haves and the have nots.

My thoughts exactly!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I would certainly be interested in hearing some of your own answers to this crisis. How people are going to be kept safe while things open up. What timelines may be for vaccinations ... if any. How the whole nation is going to stop infecting each other.

The whole world is in this together. Proper worldwide research by all is a good thing. As is seeing both sides of the coin. imo

I think that between wearing masks and social distancing we can open up more businesses when hospital capacity is okay. Sooner is better than later but I have no exact date.

School openings is a tough one. I don't have any kids so I have no personal stake in that <modsnip: No MSM link to source>

 

[Midgie2]

While it seems to be safer to be outside, hence all the outdoor bars and restaurants serving on patios etc. But what happens when the weather turns colder? I mean it may seem obvious to not go inside to these places I have no doubt that it will continue to be a source of many infections. And the people who frequent these places will be hell bent on keeping them open, no matter the cost.
Or they will gather at peoples homes.
And I see much of that in my neighborhood.
I fear for this winter.

Those with means are likely not going to muck around with this. They will hire tutors and nannies until the coast is clear. Those without means will send their kids back to school because they cannot afford tutors and need the schools to provide de facto daycare so they can return to work. The typical divide between the haves and the have nots.

My thoughts exactly!

 

[CharlestonGal]

I don't think the national emergency response plan will be public information. CDC, FEMA, and other agencies issue pamphlets, flyers, etc with information for citizens.

The federal, state, local government, hospitals, schools, power, medical companies and more are required to have emergency plans for every emergency/ disaster. The plans all follow the same format, local plans roll up to state, state roll up to the feds. All plans are based first local response followed by state, and finally feds.

We see these plans used in mock disasters and drills. A good example is hurricane, earthquake, or mass fires.

The plans are extremely detailed. Much of this information is not shared with the public, NOT available under the FOIA. Not sure what classification the government places on them, but hospitals label every page, " proprietary information" or "client attorney privileged", preventing even the court or government from acquiring access.

Moo...Certain congressional committees I would think have access to view/read the national plan.

The plans have some pretty difficult/gory stuff to read, especially mass casualty disasters.

What the government, businesses, hospitals, schools do release are guidance sheets, pamphlets, posters with simple information to assist citizens.

My work involved preparing these plans and I helped with our county one. It's a joint effort by all local agencies, Red Cross, EMS, hospital, HD, Fire, LE, power company, hospital and more.

Moo...

I have been heavily involved in drafting various DoD disaster contingency plans, and while they weren't written expressly for public consumption we had no problem with the civilian sector having access to them. In fact, we shared them with civilian healthcare facilities and local officials to assist them in their own plans. They were not state secrets, nor should they be. imo

 

[Trino]

Those with means are likely not going to muck around with this. They will hire tutors and nannies until the coast is clear. Those without means will send their kids back to school because they cannot afford tutors and need the schools to provide de facto daycare so they can return to work. The typical divide between the haves and the have nots.

And, the haves will have the ability to move their families to safe havens while chauffeurs, nannies, and cooks shelter them from reality. The 1%.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think that between wearing masks and social distancing we can open up more businesses when hospital capacity is okay. Sooner is better than later but I have no exact date.

School openings is a tough one. I don't have any kids so I have no personal stake in that <modsnip: No MSM source>

Then perhaps we can agree that a national approach is a good thing? And compliance by all, with collaboration and compromise between all state leaders and all county leaders. Instead of these piecemeal approaches by every individual state, whose citizens can freely travel and infect other state's citizens.

We feel the pinch of not being able to travel. But, honestly, tough measures bring better results.

 

[Simply Southern]

I have been watching some friends chat about Cuomo's newer ruling that food must be served with a drink. You must be seated.

"Our area is good, that is not fair"
"The poor bartending staff, having to run around and serve drinks and food"
"What if they don't have a kitchen. My favourite bar is going to close"

They neglect to realise that anyone within NYS can (and do) travel to their pretty area for a weekend, drink right with them in a bar, perhaps get very friendly with them, and spread the virus.

Now you can have the Cuomo Potato chip.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/17/pub-sells-cuomo-chips-to-comply-with-buy-food-with-booze-rule/

NY pub sells ‘Cuomo Chips’ to comply with governor’s regulations

A pub in Saratoga Springs, New York, is selling "Cuomo Chips" to comply with the state's new "buy food with booze" order.

 

[SouthAussie]

Now you can have the Cuomo Potato chip.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/17/pub-sells-cuomo-chips-to-comply-with-buy-food-with-booze-rule/

NY pub sells ‘Cuomo Chips’ to comply with governor’s regulations

A pub in Saratoga Springs, New York, is selling "Cuomo Chips" to comply with the state's new "buy food with booze" order.

Lol.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Then perhaps we can agree that a national approach is a good thing? And compliance by all, with collaboration and compromise between the state leaders and county leaders. Instead of these piecemeal approaches by every individual state, whose citizens can freely travel and infect other state's citizens.

We feel the pinch of not being able to travel. But, honestly, tough measures bring better results.

That's not going to happen in the US. The Federal government cannot order the States to do that.

 

[SouthAussie]

That's not going to happen in the US. The Federal government cannot order the States to do that.

I completely get that. I am suggesting collaboration and compromise between states in my prior post. The Federal Govt here cannot order states either, but the individual states are strategically working on solutions together.

All I hear is negativity to other's fairly successful approaches ... when our constitutions have many similarities. "That can't happen here". Yes, it can. With effort and compromise and encouragement and smart thinking. imo

 

[margarita25]

Florida:

If COVID-19 keeps spreading, lockdown could be only weeks away

 

[CharlestonGal]

I think that between wearing masks and social distancing we can open up more businesses when hospital capacity is okay. Sooner is better than later but I have no exact date.

School openings is a tough one. I don't have any kids so I have no personal stake in that <modsnip: No MSM source>

Approximately 2 million children are homeschooled in the US with no apparent deleterious effects. All states allow it as a viable method of schooling for children. In districts with poor schooling, homeschooled kids test out at a higher level than the average public school kid. I homeschooled my child for varying periods and she consistently achieves a 4.0 in her college courses. She is also highly social and well adjusted. <modsnip: opinion stated as fact; no MSM source>

 

[margarita25]

“With 10,328 new COVID-19 cases, the total count rose to 337,569, according to figures released by the Florida Department of Health. The state has seen a large increase in cases in the past several weeks, with more than 83,000 cases confirmed in the last seven days, about 25% of the total count.

Florida also reported 90 deaths Saturday, bringing the death toll to 4,895. Deaths are reported when confirmed to be COVID-related; about a third of the 90 added in Saturday’s report occurred before last Monday.”

Florida Adds 10,328 Coronavirus Cases, 90 Virus-Related Deaths Saturday