Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #71

[Tadpole12]

I was at a beach this week in which social distancing seemed to work. The park managers had put red cones along the water front, in a single line, with probably about 30' between them. You had to set your chairs, towels, etc. at one of the cones. From the cone, you could walk straight to the water, and play or swim in the space directly in front of your cone.

It worked really well. There was no need to walk through anyone else's space. Even little kids could figure it out. When there were no cones left, then no more folks were allowed on the beach. It was a large beach, and not all the cones were filled, so I don't think anyone was turned away.

Ya, everyone's just trying to figure it out and keep traffic in popular beach areas.

Wasaga Beach installs ‘pods’ to help visitors avoid crowding

 

[doublestop]

Our sheriff and COP said, it's a mandate not a law and they can't enforce removing or arresting someone from property for trespassing for mask mandate. They're giving out the state hotline number to report businesses for employees not wearing mask. But have gone on record, were not coming out for mask enforcement.

But they can surely remove someone for trespassing if the property owner has clearly told them to get off of their property and they refuse to do it.

 

[Tigerlily75]

37 Routine Activities Ranked by Risk of COVID-19 Infection | Hartford HealthCare

I think the risk levels are interesting: For example: going to a beach is considered a moderate risk: I considerate it a high risk if there are lots of people without a mask, which is usually the case-- Sending kids to school, camp or day care is considered a moderate risk: i considerate that a high risk because there will most likely be quite a few kids at that area: Equating going to a hair salon with being on airplane as as moderate -high risk: i think an airplane is much more likely to be a high risk. They evaluate playing football as a moderate to high risk: i see that as strictly a high risk because of all the face to face contact. Eating at a buffet is a high risk_ well, yeah, which is why i don't think we will be seeing buffets anywhere for quite some time (like years after there is a vaccine- no salad bars either).

Some of them surprised me! The open malls being the lowest risk for one. Our malls have never closed here in Melbourne and we are on Lockdown #2. This whole time I’ve been thinking they should be shut.

 

[CSIDreamer]

860 new cases
8 deaths between 6/19 and 7/25

62 or 63 roughly ventilators in Covid use



Indiana, US

ISDH - Novel Coronavirus: Indiana COVID-19 Dashboard

 

[10ofRods]

Indiana sheriffs in 4 counties say they will not act as mask police | Fox 59

‘We are not the mask police,’ Ohio sheriff’s office says

‘We are not the mask police,’ officers, state at odds over enforcing Michigan governor’s orders

Multiple N.C. Sheriffs Refuse to Enforce Governor's Mask Requirement

“The wearing of a mask is a personal decision, not one of a governor in Raleigh,” Halifax County Sheriff Wes Tripp said in a statement on Facebook. “

This is obviously a political decision.

I wonder what would happen if every business insisted on seeing someone's ID before entry, then compiled a list of "no service/no entry" for the mask wearers. I know some businesses do this all the time for bad check writers and suspected shoplifters. The liquor store near me won't permit under 18's inside the store without a parent or guardian, even though they sell toys and snacks. They do permit 18-20 year olds, even though they can't buy liquor. It's just their decision, although I'm sure our local police wouldn't enforce it at all.

But the police *could* enforce it, if they had the will to do so.

The Michigan and North Carolina LE are clearly taking a political stance in their refusal to aid businesses in ejecting unwanted customers/clients.

 

[Tadpole12]

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"Cuba's 28,000 medical students have been told they must knock on doors every day if they want to graduate. But the country also has the highest doctor to patient ratio in the world"

 

[tresir2012]

I firmly believe it can be enforced as a trespassing issue. Tell them to leave and if they won't it's trespassing. Nothing to do with a mask mandate that way.

The other side of the coin is no one wants to be shot or attacked for enforcing store policy. Most police are also busy and stressed enough due to other shenanigans nowadays.

Tough call. Jmo

In UK trespassing is a civil issue and police will not attend. We have had bikers on land and police will only attend if they have committed criminal damage. E.g. cut or broken a fence to get in. If you have no proof to show that, then you have to chase them off yourself. So maybe it is a similar issue. If the maskless person does damage or assault then police can be called. It is a difficult issue and I can certainly understand shops not being able to enforce it.

ETA. This also gives me the opportunity to quote the instance of the intruder in the Queen's bedroom in Buckingham Palace. See link below.

LEGAL HISTORY BACKS BRITISH ON TRESPASS

 

[tresir2012]

We all welcome them. @tresir2012 asked for a link and I gave it - with no commentary mind. Then confused the situation by talking about security guards in Melbourne (approximately 2 weeks drive away from Darwin!). There are over 4 million cases in the US, and it has indeed been described as “risky” by the minister, and as such the usual contingent has been reduced. That way quarantine and god forbid, hospitalizations are manageable. It is not a personal attack to talk about what is going in the US in regards to covid on a thread about covid.

I didn't confuse anything. It is no different to talking about New York and California issues IMO. If Covid is in the country, it's in the country and I wanted to make sure posters knew that the US military infected nobody in Oz to my knowledge.

 

[24Roses]

Iowa numbers today: 389 new confirmed cases for a total of 42,016 confirmed cases of which 29,604 have recovered. No new deaths were reported so the total remains at 826. July 26: 389 new cases, 144 recoveries, and no deaths – KWWL IDPH numbers at 11:00 a.m. are the same except they had 1 more recovery for a total of 29,605. Iowa COVID-19 Information

 

[Victoria Chambers]

My bff's sister died yesterday in Florida. She was sick for only 3 days. :'(

Aww this is so sad. My Deepest Sympathies X

 

[CharlestonGal]

In UK trespassing is a civil issue and police will not attend. We have had bikers on land and police will only attend if they have committed criminal damage. E.g. cut or broken a fence to get in. If you have no proof to show that, then you have to chase them off yourself. So maybe it is a similar issue. If the maskless person does damage or assault then police can be called. It is a difficult issue and I can certainly understand shops not being able to enforce it.

Trespass is criminal in the US. You do not have to do damage or assault to be arrested for trespass. Being asked to leave the property of another and refusing to do so when asked, is a criminal offense here.

Criminal Trespassing Law

 

[mickey2942]

Is the U.S. coronavirus lockdown hiding a surge in child abuse?

I have been watching this very closely. I don't think that people have really had significant financial problems, with the extra $600 a week, in unemployment benefits, stop on evictions, and utility shutoffs.

Next month is when the financial situation will be more pressing.

 

[Clair Louise]

Wait, what? This can’t be real. Is that a real news outlet?

Edit: It has a disclaimer saying it’s satire. If you go to the home page it’s bottom left. It’s not a real news outlet.

If that is satire it is in very bad taste.

 

[Tadpole12]

Is the U.S. coronavirus lockdown hiding a surge in child abuse?

I have been watching this very closely. I don't think that people have really had significant financial problems, with the extra $600 a week, in unemployment benefits, stop on evictions, and utility shutoffs.

Next month is when the financial situation will be more pressing.

RIP Amari Boone.

Amari Boone, 3-year-old Fort Worth boy dies from 'severe child abuse' Easter morning

 

[Simply Southern]

But they can surely remove someone for trespassing if the property owner has clearly told them to get off of their property and they refuse to do it.

In Virginia a property must be posted No Trespassing. Hard to have an open business with a No Trespassing sign posted.

 

[CSIDreamer]

This is obviously a political decision.

I wonder what would happen if every business insisted on seeing someone's ID before entry, then compiled a list of "no service/no entry" for the mask wearers. I know some businesses do this all the time for bad check writers and suspected shoplifters. The liquor store near me won't permit under 18's inside the store without a parent or guardian, even though they sell toys and snacks. They do permit 18-20 year olds, even though they can't buy liquor. It's just their decision, although I'm sure our local police wouldn't enforce it at all.

But the police *could* enforce it, if they had the will to do so.

The Michigan and North Carolina LE are clearly taking a political stance in their refusal to aid businesses in ejecting unwanted customers/clients.

They need legislation to enact a law.

 

[CSIDreamer]

RIP Amari Boone.

Amari Boone, 3-year-old Fort Worth boy dies from 'severe child abuse' Easter morning

I can't remember. Was Fort worth on lockdown then?

 

[mickey2942]

RIP Amari Boone.

Amari Boone, 3-year-old Fort Worth boy dies from 'severe child abuse' Easter morning

Yes, but he was killed by foster parents, who were actually friends of the child's father. Sad. Amari should have never been placed in that household. INMO.

 

[LadyL]

https://www.newsweek.com/masks-covi...3U_lR4S_2KlcxPlkkqpz0OBM6rGi58y1I3fhXMwvJwB88

 

[10ofRods]

Trespass is criminal in the US. You do not have to do damage or assault to be arrested for trespass. Being asked to leave the property of another and refusing to do so when asked, is a criminal offense here.

Criminal Trespassing Law

Yes - exactly. I have the ordinance in a file folder that our lawyer told us to keep next to the door, in case it happened again (these neighbors had also jumped the fence in the back yard - well, one of them did - and turned off the power to our house to disable our cameras). LE would not enter the premises to look at the footprints in our planter (and admittedly, I couldn't prove exactly who jumped the fence - except that I knew exactly why she was doing it - she had stolen mail from us, stolen our ID, charged several things on it - including 2 phones eventually traced by our bank to her daughter's apartment in another state).

Anyway, our lawyer said we should keep showing the actual law to the responding officer and to email the watch commander if they refused to enforce. However, the last time we called, the officer did talk to the people next door (on this occasion, the man was at our front window, screaming, threatening to come into the house because the wind was blowing our sprinkler water into his driveway).

We were told not to water to the edge of our yard (!) but he was not cited for trespassing. But at least they told him not to set foot on our property again. And he hasn't (we have way more cameras now).