Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #71

[Tadpole12]

I can't remember. Was Fort worth on lockdown then?

Timeline: Tracking the spread of COVID-19 in Texas

Begins March 13? Then more restrictions by the 16th.

I'm unsure how the timeline fits in with Amari's death,
just looked and thought he should have a thread here at WS

 

[10ofRods]

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200715/only-those-with-plastic-visors-were-infected-swiss-government-warns-against-face-shields

more at link/ I’m sure it’s been discussed here that face shields alone may not be enough protection (imo they’re useful For eye protection and against sprays/splashes/droplets that may compromise a mask)

I'd rewrite that to say "those wearing only face shields were infected, government advises that face masks are essential." No reason to "warn against face shields" if the face mask is also being worn.

The article shows that hotel staff were wearing only face shields (and given how face shields work, the waitress in the picture is directing all her breath down onto the patron...yikes!)

No reason to "warn against face shields" if they are properly used.

 

[ilovewings]

Some of them surprised me! The open malls being the lowest risk for one. Our malls have never closed here in Melbourne and we are on Lockdown #2. This whole time I’ve been thinking they should be shut.

I would think indoor malls would be at least a moderate risk---lots of people indoors-although masks would lessen the risk

 

[10ofRods]

In Virginia a property must be posted No Trespassing. Hard to have an open business with a No Trespassing sign posted.

Can't businesses post the traditional sign? (No shirts, no shoes, no mask = no service). Then, print in smaller letters "refusing to leave the premises when asked is TRESPASSING - NO TRESPASSING).

I'm sure that businesses have had no problems in the past getting police to help with unwanted people hanging out inside the business.

If it were me, I'd call in a mental health situation and ask for the LE to bring their mental health team (or be prepared to deal with a mental health situation, however they do that).

 

[tresir2012]

My bff's sister died yesterday in Florida. She was sick for only 3 days. :'(

Sorry for the loss. That is terrible. Hope they and you are ok.

 

[10ofRods]

Is the U.S. coronavirus lockdown hiding a surge in child abuse?

I have been watching this very closely. I don't think that people have really had significant financial problems, with the extra $600 a week, in unemployment benefits, stop on evictions, and utility shutoffs.

Next month is when the financial situation will be more pressing.

I think next month is gonna be hell on wheels for most of the US. Some states have enacted their own "no eviction" laws or mandates, but paralegals and lawyers in many states say (on reddit) that they have stacks of eviction papers ready to go.

The missing $600 is going to be quite noticeable in many households. The White House's slogan "Find Something New" isn't a happy-making bit of advice right now. Many employers are looking to get people off payroll.

Aren't many people going to get 70% of what they'd been making in the extension of unemployment? Anyone following those stories? We're doing things differently here in CA (although how we're gonna afford it is anyone's guess - and everyone's nightmare).

Lay-offs have already started in the CSU system (for fall - so those people will be new to unemployment, but apparently won't get the extra $600).

 

[tresir2012]

Need to recycle our spray pumps from sanitizer, soap and other dispensers

Someone was talking about a shortage of aluminum cans awhile back on this thread, and I heard on a radio talk show on Friday that there is also a shortage of spray pumps for things like soap bottles, sanitizers, etc. So even if the supply of pump soap and sanitizers improves, the manufacturers won't be able to replenish the spray pumps, just refill bottles. So they are suggesting that everyone save their used containers with the spray pumps for recycling as they are harder to produce.

I have done this for a couple of years now and use antibacterial washing up liquid to refill my hand wash dispensers. The LIDL ones are often different scents, eg. Lemon and lime, Spiced Apple etc. I usually dilute them one to one with water as they are so thick. They work out really cheap also by doing that. My tip of the day to add to your tip of the day.

 

[tresir2012]

But it had nothing to do with the topic and came across as retaliatory with the “US bashing” comment. No one had ever suggested Melbournes outbreak was caused by a US marine. Unlike the US, state borders are firmly closed, so what happens in Melbourne is irrelevant to how the Northern Territory protects itself in relation to incoming US Marines. I don’t think anyone should walk on eggshells and not talk about the US to be accused of “bashing” the country. You can go through my post history and you won’t see any bashing.

Of course talking about the US or other countries is fine. That is not what was happening though IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

They need legislation to enact a law.

Are you saying businesses can't ask patrons to do certain things? That isn't true in all states. Businesses have wide latitude to require certain behaviors and protocols of business-users. For example, the Goodwill near my house bans people from dumping "trash" at their pick-up docks when they're closed and the police *will* come for that - even though it's entirely up to the Goodwill (and their cameras) to define "trash." There's no ordinance that distinguishes between "goodwill items" and "trash."

The local pier bans people from fishing on the first section of it (for fairly obvious reasons, but some people are kooks) and the police come for that. Pier is open, the "no fishing signs" were posted by a local group that volunteers to protect the pier. I think they'd like a local ordinance, and one may occur some day - but in the meantime, that part of the pier is governed by leases to businesses - who call the police if someone fishes in their "zone."

I've seen patrons asked to leave because their kids were screaming and all service stopped until kids were taken out and quieted. There is no ordinance, and I've never seen people fail to comply when confronted.

I've seen older people asked to leave (and denied service) due to loud cussing (ha, this is a small town where I hang out). There are no ordinances, but the business in question has one of those "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" signs. And in fact, LE has been quite prompt in arriving if the parties in question get louder or belligerent. I've gone on ride-alongs and watched officers deal with such matters. I've also interviewed lots of police and keep an eye on many different police blotters (mostly in CA, but in other states as well).

There's a guy who is mentally ill and homeless (in California, neither of those things is a crime - and in fact, homeless people can no longer be asked to leave public property where I live - I think that's statewide). The police come quickly when this guy gets aggro and starts shouting. Shouting isn't illegal, but the police are trained to "assist" such people to seek treatment and do offer to give this guy his trip to the county mental health center's doorstep. They take a lot of time with him and are quite polite, but talk him into the backseat of a patrol car. People *can* be asked to leave private property and if it's the police who ask, you can be sure they don't need to post any signs first. They have no intention of charging this guy and do not tell him he's "disturbing the peace," they handle it differently due to his illness.

It's the business owners who call on this young man, because he walks up and down outside shouting incoherently and scares patrons. This is called "community policing" and it's simply how things are in the area where I live.

 

[Yvettea]

@tresir2012 What is LIDL?

 

[10ofRods]

The collapse of the airline industry is affecting our ability to properly forecast weather.

Looks like it is affecting the US and China quite a bit. Apparently, commercial airlines transmit crucial ongoing weather data to NOAA and other entities. The paucity of data since March is now affecting longterm forecasts, as well as 10 day forecasts. Hurricane watch has become more difficult.

 

[tresir2012]

@tresir2012 What is LIDL?

Do you have Aldi Supermarkets? It is similar to them. LIDL and ALDI were started in Germany, I believe, by two brothers in competition with each other. They have both now become very popular in the UK. We shop in both.

 

[tresir2012]

Are you saying businesses can't ask patrons to do certain things? That isn't true in all states. Businesses have wide latitude to require certain behaviors and protocols of business-users. For example, the Goodwill near my house bans people from dumping "trash" at their pick-up docks when they're closed and the police *will* come for that - even though it's entirely up to the Goodwill (and their cameras) to define "trash." There's no ordinance that distinguishes between "goodwill items" and "trash."

The local pier bans people from fishing on the first section of it (for fairly obvious reasons, but some people are kooks) and the police come for that. Pier is open, the "no fishing signs" were posted by a local group that volunteers to protect the pier. I think they'd like a local ordinance, and one may occur some day - but in the meantime, that part of the pier is governed by leases to businesses - who call the police if someone fishes in their "zone."

I've seen patrons asked to leave because their kids were screaming and all service stopped until kids were taken out and quieted. There is no ordinance, and I've never seen people fail to comply when confronted.

I've seen older people asked to leave (and denied service) due to loud cussing (ha, this is a small town where I hang out). There are no ordinances, but the business in question has one of those "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" signs. And in fact, LE has been quite prompt in arriving if the parties in question get louder or belligerent. I've gone on ride-alongs and watched officers deal with such matters. I've also interviewed lots of police and keep an eye on many different police blotters (mostly in CA, but in other states as well).

There's a guy who is mentally ill and homeless (in California, neither of those things is a crime - and in fact, homeless people can no longer be asked to leave public property where I live - I think that's statewide). The police come quickly when this guy gets aggro and starts shouting. Shouting isn't illegal, but the police are trained to "assist" such people to seek treatment and do offer to give this guy his trip to the county mental health center's doorstep. They take a lot of time with him and are quite polite, but talk him into the backseat of a patrol car. People *can* be asked to leave private property and if it's the police who ask, you can be sure they don't need to post any signs first. They have no intention of charging this guy and do not tell him he's "disturbing the peace," they handle it differently due to his illness.

It's the business owners who call on this young man, because he walks up and down outside shouting incoherently and scares patrons. This is called "community policing" and it's simply how things are in the area where I live.

I think CSI is saying police need a law to be broken to be able to act. If the mask law is not yet enacted then the police would not have a power of arrest.

 

[slowpoke]

Some of them surprised me! The open malls being the lowest risk for one. Our malls have never closed here in Melbourne and we are on Lockdown #2. This whole time I’ve been thinking they should be shut.

https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=26936&publicId=395

I think you misread? The lowest risk activity listed was about opening envelopes received through a mail carrier, not shopping malls.
“Low Risk: 1
Opening the mail“

 

[CharlestonGal]

I think CSI is saying police need a law to be broken to be able to act. If the mask law is not yet enacted then the police would not have a power of arrest.

The police can't arrest you for not wearing shoes, either. They can arrest you for trespassing on private property while not wearing shoes. Or wearing shoes. The shoes or lack thereof is not material. Same with masks. If a property owner asks you to leave, no matter the reason or no reason at all, and you refuse you certainly can be arrested. Around here, you will definitely be arrested if you refuse to leave private property or return later.

 

[Simply Southern]

Can't businesses post the traditional sign? (No shirts, no shoes, no mask = no service). Then, print in smaller letters "refusing to leave the premises when asked is TRESPASSING - NO TRESPASSING).

I'm sure that businesses have had no problems in the past getting police to help with unwanted people hanging out inside the business.

If it were me, I'd call in a mental health situation and ask for the LE to bring their mental health team (or be prepared to deal with a mental health situation, however they do that).

Well, let me share my experience at Big Lots in VA just one hour ago. I ran in to pick up a water pitcher.
No sign on door, only 4 customers had mask, the store was packed at least 100 people or more!!! I got inline to pay, a lady and her husband and two kids were behind me and bumping the cart into my body. When I said something to the lady checking me out, she got angery with ME. As I left the store after paying, the lady with the kids came up and pushed me in the back out the door, while her husband paid.

This is getting violent with non mask wearers.

ETA.. These stores don't care about a mask mandate that's non enforceable MOO..

 

[MrX]

Arizona reports 1,973 new coronavirus cases, 19 more deaths

"According to the Associated Press, the seven-day average for newly reported cases fell to 2,618.71 on Thursday, the lowest point since June 22."

The article goes on to attribute the improvement to mask mandates, closed bars and gyms, and limited restaurant capacity. It's interesting that those same measures don't appear to have had the same effect in FL, TX and CA.

 

[tabitha111]

37 Routine Activities Ranked by Risk of COVID-19 Infection | Hartford HealthCare

I think the risk levels are interesting: For example: going to a beach is considered a moderate risk: I considerate it a high risk if there are lots of people without a mask, which is usually the case-- Sending kids to school, camp or day care is considered a moderate risk: i considerate that a high risk because there will most likely be quite a few kids at that area: Equating going to a hair salon with being on airplane as as moderate -high risk: i think an airplane is much more likely to be a high risk. They evaluate playing football as a moderate to high risk: i see that as strictly a high risk because of all the face to face contact. Eating at a buffet is a high risk_ well, yeah, which is why i don't think we will be seeing buffets anywhere for quite some time (like years after there is a vaccine- no salad bars either).

Golden Corral has reopened their buffets. You have to have a mask and gloves (they provide the gloves) when you go through the line.
I know of one friend that went in her state and didn't like the "new" experience (she is an anti-masker in the first place, so of course she didn't)
Supposedly they have people that "wipe" the handles of the spoons you dip stuff out of continuously. and watching the line and cleaning up, but yep, its still a buffet.
Would I go? H*ll no.
This listing shows you which ones are Buffet, Cafeteria Style or To Go only. Lots of Buffets still.
Golden Corral Rules | Endless Buffet Restaurants | America's #1 Buffet

 

[tresir2012]

The police can't arrest you for not wearing shoes, either. They can arrest you for trespassing on private property while not wearing shoes. Or wearing shoes. The shoes or lack thereof is not material. Same with masks. If a property owner asks you to leave, no matter the reason or no reason at all, and you refuse you certainly can be arrested. Around here, you will definitely be arrested if you refuse to leave private property or return later.

Are they asking people to leave who are not wearing masks?

In England shops are assuming those not wearing masks have a reason so are not doing anything according to this article.

Where do I now have to wear a face covering?

It has only just become mandatory in England so am not sure yet how it's going.

In Wales, it's voluntary except for public transport.

 

[Tillicum]

Kudlow says next coronavirus stimulus bill will include more checks, extend moratorium on evictions