Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #72

[Deleted member 39678]

I respectfully suggest that we don't need any more "opinions" by people who have zero real world experience in education, epidemiology, virology, or other qualitative medical and educational education and experience.

Although, it is interesting that Mr. Gates agrees with President Trump and Secretary DeVos on this issue. None of whom have either educational or medical backgrounds.

Here is an example of a reasonable, flexible plan...it is not "just open schools". It is 32 pages long. This is the type of thoughtful, defined plan to meet the needs of children.
https://jordandistrict.org/2020/07/school-reopening-plan/amp

I'm confused by your post.

Are you saying the only valid opinions on the opening of schools is from people who posses the combination of educational and medical background that you listed?

Seems like that would be very few individuals.

 

[Tadpole12]

Thank you for your concern! I’m in SoCal. I detailed my minor symptoms in this post:
Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #70

I do expect I will be negative since my husband tested negative, as he was the one who was potentially exposed. But then I will be puzzled as to what caused me to not feel well.

sp, that's real good news!

 

[Spider92]

David Frum @davidfrum Jul 29, 2020

City of Toronto and state of Mississippi have about same population: 2.8 mn vs 2.9 million.

On July 27, Toronto reported 1 COVID case. That same day, Mississippi reported 1,342 cases and 42 deaths.

Good comparison. I feel like Mississippi is growing faster than any other state right now.
FYI, I'm in MA and two co-workers just got tested and got their results (negative) within 24 hours.

 

[Clair Louise]

Good comparison. I feel like Mississippi is growing faster than any other state right now.
FYI, I'm in MA and two co-workers just got tested and got their results (negative) within 24 hours.

And I daresay, that Toronto would be more densely populated than Mississippi.

 

[I'm Just Here]

I sure feel bad for teachers/staff, children and family in this school safety situation. Just doesn't seem to be any clear answer as to what should happen. I know job positions are now opening up in certain areas in schools. I bet most of us can kind of guess why. If my children were school age my choice would to do my best teaching them at home and that means I would want to watch/teach my own kids and my husband worked. I do not think my husband likes teaching but had helped at times the kids had school work questions. He always would say I sure wouldn't want to teach kids.

 

[Spider92]

I sure feel bad for teachers/staff, children and family in this school safety situation. Just doesn't seem to be any clear answer as to what should happen. I know job positions are now opening up in certain areas in schools. I bet most of us can kind of guess why. If my children were school age my choice would to do my best teaching them at home and that means I would want to watch/teach my own kids and my husband worked. I do not think my husband likes teaching but had helped at times the kids had school work questions. He always would say I sure wouldn't want to teach kids.

My spouse is a teacher and hopefully won't mind sleeping in the garage during the school year...though that'll get cold come November. I guess one of us will get sick one way or the other. I wish they'd just stick with online teaching. With so many people working remotely, there would be at least some positive lessons gained from the experience - learning to get things done without being physically present. I do worry about the social impact on kids though - their interaction becomes limited to those who are in their virtual classrooms, removing a lot of opportunities for friendships.

 

[weepingangel]

Was that at one of the Stop the Spread State Testing sites ? Just curious

FYI, I'm in MA and two co-workers just got tested and got their results (negative) within 24 hours.

 

[Tadpole12]

Click on the sign, it is a PDF file.

Thanks m, just not working for me, but had look at another page,
Board Approved Reopening Plan | Jordan School District

 

[Tony1902]

These are the states you still don’t have to quarantine when you arrive in N.J.

Here are the 15 states not on NJ's quarantine list:

• Colorado
• Connecticut
• Hawaii
• Maine
• Massachusetts
• Michigan
• New Hampshire
• New York
• Oregon
• Pennsylvania
• Rhode Island
• South Dakota
• Vermont
• West Virginia
• Wyoming

Wow I can come to the beach, Jersey Girl??!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-long-haulers-report-nearly-100-symptoms-more-100-n1235217

"How long does it take you to get back to normal? That's an open question," Dr. Anthony Fauci told NBC News.

COVID-19 symptoms that can linger for weeks and months after a diagnosis may be wide-ranging — and include everything from joint pain and fevers, to hair loss and double vision.

In fact, those patients, self-nicknamed the long-haulers, reported experiencing 98 different symptoms in a survey released Wednesday.

"They're not quite sick enough to be hospitalized, but they are suffering from very severe symptoms, sometimes for a very long time at home," Natalie Lambert, an associate professor of medicine at the Indiana University School of Medicine, said...

 

[Tony1902]

And I daresay, that Toronto would be more densely populated than Mississippi.

As a former resident of the lovely and unusual state of Mississippi, in the Delta, not all residents comply. Faulkner’s Snopes’ clans surely hide.

 

[musicaljoke]

They don't know if the 30% are false negative or false positive. So the health department is counting all the disputed tests as false positive to "err on the side of caution"

A 30% error would be extreme and make the tests unusable. Labs aren't going to waste resources on such low quality tests. I'm concerned that the source of your information is not reliable.

I wonder if the writer has mixed up the types of testing and therefore we are reading an article that makes no sense. Nucleic acid-based testing is also called PCR, or molecular testing is the gold standard used to diagnose active COVID-19 infection in patients with symptoms. It is very accurate.

Antibody tests have proven to be less accurate, and can have as much as 30% error. But these tests are not used in the Covid testing labs to diagnose active cases.

Testing devices for COVID-19: Serological testing devices - Canada.ca

 

[I'm Just Here]

Spider92 you made me laugh! I do hope you and your spouse will be healthy through all of this. Maybe you can heat the garage, add a fridge, stove and bathroom? Ha! I just accept I have a chance of getting sick regardless of my careful ways. Just keeps my nerves on edge with what others choices are that seem to come my way. I have relaxed more but have a good cry once and awhile. I realize I either sleep in the garage myself, never see my husband or adult kids or live feeling like I could get sick since they are around more people than I am - mostly with masks at work but not always when with a close friend or outside family.

 

[155etta]

My spouse is a teacher and hopefully won't mind sleeping in the garage during the school year...though that'll get cold come November. I guess one of us will get sick one way or the other. I wish they'd just stick with online teaching. With so many people working remotely, there would be at least some positive lessons gained from the experience - learning to get things done without being physically present. I do worry about the social impact on kids though - their interaction becomes limited to those who are in their virtual classrooms, removing a lot of opportunities for friendships.

My DIL teaches 5th grade and is headed back into the classroom next month. She said, "Well, I guess I'm going to get it."

 

[Tadpole12]

Main coronavirus test produces ‘false negatives’ at least 20% of the time, study shows

"If you have 30 per cent false-negatives, then right now, at this moment, you're in trouble, he said" - Benoit Barbeau, Universite du Quebec a Montreal wrt study

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[Deleted member 158085]

My thinking on going back to school is this.

First, the school administrators in my area wasted valuable time doing nothing this summer to prepare for worse case scenario, or really, to prepare at all. I don’t know what they thought was going to happen. Maybe they expected more guidance from the state and/or federal level.

In any case, I expect school to resume for no more than 3 weeks before massive quarantines begin.

Most school sports are simply not happening in my state. And the irony is that the people complaining most about the lack of sports are the ones who essentially made this a reality when they decided to selfishly not wear masks or take any of this seriously.

 

[Tigerlily75]

My post was nothing to do with conspiracy theories, it was about genuine trials. I don't know what you are referring to. Perhaps you could explain.

I’m saying that if Hydroxychloroquine was a viable, safe miracle cure as claimed, scientists around the world would still be conducting trials as a treatment and/or heavily promoting it as a treatment if previous trials had shown it indeed was. But you said they are now only trialing it as a preventative, not as a treatment. Why would they stop trialing it if it’s a great cure, if not for some kind of conspiracy, and I’m simply saying: I do not believe there is some kind of conspiracy here. If it’s shown to work they will use it, and if it’s not they won’t. Scientists are doing what they always do, it’s not them who are bizarrely politicizing this drug. The video has been widely condemned as misinformation including by Websleuths and it’s preferred we no longer discuss it.

 

[MrX]

When my Dad thought he was dying his final lucid words to me were "be good." He, God willing, will be 92 in a few weeks. His advice still seems sound.

 

[Tigerlily75]

How many cases have you had in Queensland?

Queensland has had 46 days with no cases until these two sisters arrived from Victoria, for a total of 1078 cases. The border is actually closed, but with some exemptions, and these two women are being roundly condemned for lying on their declaration and failing to isolate. They are being described as “deceitful, deceptive and criminal” by Queensland Police which I think is why they’ve been unusually identified. One of the women has not been cooperative and they have both had their phones confiscated which will be forensically examined. They have each been fined $4000 and will need to face court, and will likely face further charges.

Teens at centre of potential outbreak identified

 

[Tigerlily75]

It's been years and years since I was in Australia. Is this mainly directed towards Covid or have people gotten mean over the years? I certainly include the US in that question. I'm kind of shocked at the hostility coming from both sides here. Jmo

I would generally say as a culture “we don’t suffer fools gladly”. So when people like the conspiracy theorists entered stores without masks just to make a scene, or the women who lied to enter Queensland, they are roundly condemned by people on all sides of the political aisle. In that regard it really doesn’t split down political lines.