Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #73

[Deleted member 158085]

No link So MOO I was told this happened to someone here. “Very very sick” But three negative tests, then positive for antibodies.

I think at this point the only way I would feel confident of either result is if a later antibodies test matches the earlier COVID test.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

If antibody tests are not reliable and tests for an active infection are also unreliable what are we supposed to learn from this?

Alyssa Milano Tests Positive for COVID-19 Antibodies After 3 Negative Results: 'I Thought I Was Dying'

IDK, but I would definitely factor my symptoms into the equation as well.

 

[SouthAussie]

They need to fast track this !!!!! people are dying for lack of appropriate testing/turnaround time

From dixie's link ....

Dr Mina:
"There just doesn't seem to be the will to bring a public health tool to the market"
"Until it gets clearly defined who is going to regulate it, no companies that have products available are going to manufacture in the millions"
"This is human problems that need to be worked out politically"

 

[margarita25]

Noting for transcription:

July 30: Dr. Swaminathan, early in the conference, around the 10:00ish iirc, makes some important comments re: Act Accelerator and COVAX in response to a reporter’s question re: distribution.

Press briefings

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Eta: @10ofRods, anthropology is mentioned as one of the fields which is a part of the Behavior/Psychology program referenced in the July 30 WHO PC.

 

[tresir2012]

Bank of England: Downturn less severe than feared

The UK economic slump caused by Covid-19 will be less severe than expected, but the recovery will also take longer, the Bank of England has said.

The faster easing of lockdown measures and a "more rapid" pick-up in consumer spending meant the economy rebounded earlier than it had assumed in May.

Spending on clothing and household goods were back to pre-Covid levels.

However, the Bank warned of a "material" rise in unemployment this year as it held interest rates at 0.1%.

Governor Andrew Bailey said recent data suggested the recovery in consumer spending was gaining traction, while spending on food and energy bills remained above pre-Covid levels.

He said: "We have had a strong recovery in the last few months. The pace puts the economy ahead of where we thought it would be in May."

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France

France reaches two-month high in virus cases

France has recorded its highest number of daily coronavirus infections in more than two months.

Figures released on Wednesday showed 1,695 new cases within 24 hours.

With more than 30,000 deaths, France has the third-highest death toll in Europe, behind the UK and Italy.

The city of Toulouse has introduced new rules requiring face masks in its busiest streets, with Paris and a number of other cities expected to follow suit.

France is not the only European nation to witness a resurgence in cases since lockdown measures were eased.

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Spain and Switzerland

On Wednesday, Spain reported its highest number of new cases since it began easing lockdown restrictions in June, with 1,772 infections.

The news came as Switzerland became the latest country to announce quarantine measures for travellers arriving from Spain, although its rules do not apply to travellers returning from the Canary and Balearic islands.

Last month, the UK removed Spain from its list of countries exempt from quarantine, meaning that people coming from any part of Spain must self-isolate for 14 days.

Media captionSpain tracks the spread of Covid-19 in the sewers
Germany and Belgium

Separately, Germany will now require all travellers returning from the Belgian city of Antwerp to quarantine, after the German disease control agency declared the city "a risk zone".

Greece

And Greece recorded its highest single-day increase in cases in weeks, with 124 new infections in the last 24 hours, despite having fared relatively well in spring. Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis told Greeks they would need to adhere to strict restrictions, and warned against "complacency".

More countries at link.

 

[Simply Southern]

Roving mask ambassadors, going door to door,business to business to check on people, in these tense times? Sounds to me like things could get volatile.

I think it totally depends upon how the ambassadors approach the people they want to educate. If they are aggressive, it may escalate very quickly.

If they can be open and non-confrontational, it could be very effective.

I read the article and question why spend the money on mask ambassadors to convince businesses to enforce a mandate, law enforcement can't? That could cost millions in legal litigation for damages and injuries to employees and customers. The article states LE can not enforce a mask mandate. It puts businesses and customers at risk of violent outbursts and physical violence. We've seen a Big Lots security guard being shot and killed, broken bones, and beatings when mask enforcement is undertaken by a business or fellow citizens.

We have the same thing going on in Virginia. The mandate is worthless as the paper the governor signed, unenforceable by the governors own words. In VA, our governor has instructed businesses to council and educate customers to use a mask or call police and file charges for trespassing. Really???? As with Charlotte, ABC can enforce the alcohol restriction.

Masks are the most important, its the Number ONE defense against Covid !!! But most governors dance around making this law, that would be enforceable, reducing the burden/liability to businesses and protect customers, with LE protection.

Instead, we put the burden on businesses that are struggling to keep the doors open, protect employees and customers.

Moo...

From the article....

North Carolinians have been required to wear masks in public settings since late June, though police officers cannot enforce Gov. Roy Cooper’s executive order against individual violators. To date, mask enforcement has largely fallen on business owners, who are asked to require patrons to wear face coverings while also juggling a range of other coronavirus precautions.

Diorio didn’t specify when the program will begin or how many part-time ambassadors might be hired. Members of the COVID-19 Business Leaders Roundtable voiced support for the idea during Tuesday’s meeting.

Similar community-based models are already in place for Las Vegas and Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, Diorio said.

Meanwhile, local law enforcement agencies — like Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police, the county ABC Board and the county’s Sheriff Office — are cracking down on more “straightforward” coronavirus restrictions, particularly Mecklenburg’s late-night alcohol limits. North Carolina has a similar alcohol curfew, though certain provisions — such as for on-site food service — are more flexible.

“Over time, we have had some loopholes with the governor’s order, which made it specifically difficult to enforce,” CMPD Deputy Chief Jeff Estes told county commissioners Wednesday.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244751367.html

 

[dixiegirl1035]

From dixie's link ....

Dr Mina:
"There just doesn't seem to be the will to bring a public health tool to the market"
"Until it gets clearly defined who is going to regulate it, no companies that have products available are going to manufacture in the millions"
"This is human problems that need to be worked out politically"

What grates me is that the government moves so slowly, that is why this original plan should be updated and reviewed and these considerations as to "health crisis/public health test parameters and who can approve" vs "diagnotics test" is so important.

We here know that these are LIVING documents, that are subject to change. Then let them live and update and change them.

SMDH

For those that haven't seen or for :bump: , here was the plan that was scrapped and ignored. As many of us are asking, what is the plan?

https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:hy459js4845/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

 

[Simply Southern]

And here is the Q&A session from yesterday explaining more of the roadblocks it is having. @Simply Southern and @Sundog this has more info on the companies in the last half.

Unfortunately for the paper tests, FDA vs. CLIA approvals which weren't designed to allow for public health test vs. diagnostic tests. So they aren't getting approved yet like I had thought.

Here is a link they recommended, Rapid Tests for a short read and ability to sent to your govenor/congressmen

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I'm attaching the information on the rapid covid paper test MIT/3M development from the MIT website. These are the folks actually doing all the work.

As, I stated before...I am fact based, I research for the best information from sources with direct, hands on involvement. I respect the opinions of others and their concerns, praise or comments but I insist on documentation in most cases.

From the article the MIT/3M is already in the Rapid Acceleration of Diagnostics Tech and once validated, 3m is geared up to produce millions of test per day.
The article refers to the test being similar to at home pregnancy test. WOW, wouldn't this be wonderful!!!

I'm keeping my eye on the MIT/3m test, it seems to have 100% support from NIH and full support of our government agencies.

The article is certainly worthy of a read, and it amazed me how quickly this technology is being produced. Dr. Birx spoke of this in the early PCs, never dreamed it could happen this quickly.


MIT team collaborates with 3M to develop rapid Covid-19 test

Hadley Sikes, an associate professor of chemical engineering at MIT, has been working for years with her team on the technology they’re adapting to create a Covid-19 test with rapid results. Moving beyond lab prototypes and into manufacturing the diagnostics on a large scale, however, is new territory.

3M is collaborating with the Sikes Lab to jointly develop the test, including establishing novel processes for scaling it. They will determine whether the test renders highly accurate results within 10 minutes, and if it is feasible to mass manufacture.

“What amazes me about Hadley is her ability to use incredibly smart science to engineer a solution to a real-world problem, and take that solution all the way to translation at such a rapid pace, considering materials, cost analysis, and even manufacturing in true chemical engineering spirit,” says Paula Hammond, the David H. Koch Chair Professor of Engineering and head of the Department of Chemical Engineering. “Even as much of the world was forced to a halt, the Sikes Lab has never stopped innovating and was committed to refining their technology toward Covid-19 testing. We welcome this collaboration with 3M and what the partnership will make possible.”

The National Institutes of Health selected the rapid Covid-19 test for accelerated development and commercialization support, after rigorous review by an expert panel. The test is in the Rapid Acceleration of Diagnostics Tech (RADx Tech) program, an aggressively paced Covid-19 diagnostics initiative from the NIH’s National Institute of Biomedical Imaging and Bioengineering.



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Pending validation of the test, the goal of the Sikes Lab, 3M, and RADx is to produce millions of the affordable, accurate tests each day in the United States. With operations across the globe, 3M could eventually build up manufacturing capacity to supply tests around the world.

Sikes stressed the enormity of the team effort across organizations, which included 15 researchers in her labs, with others at SMART AMR IRG pitching in; more than 30 experts at 3M; about a dozen at NIH RADx; many staff members at MIT; and Deshpande Center “Catalyst” mentors and their networks in industry.

“It’s a rare collaboration of government, industry, and university to innovate at a rapid pace in this pandemic,” she says. “Our groups and many others across the globe are doing our best to rise to the daunting challenge of swiftly adapting and deploying new technologies to increase Covid-19 testing.”

 

[Simply Southern]

Thank you, dixie! Will watch this in a little while.


Here is what was said about the FDA approval of EUA ... Emergency Use Authorization
Sherlock Biosciences Receives FDA Emergency Use Authorization for CRISPR SARS-CoV-2 Rapid Diagnostic • Sherlock Biosciences

And here is the original article that references the EUA. You sort of have to piece the info in both articles together.
[Updated] Fast Paper Strip Covid-19 Test Devised with Crispr | Science and Enterprise

I see it was approved by FDA under emergency use in May. I can't find any information on what company is actually producing a test kit for use in the US.

Again, similar to home pregnancy test.

 

[Simply Southern]

They need to fast track this !!!!! people are dying for lack of appropriate testing/turnaround time

I read the article several times, it states the FDA has approved under emergency use, in May. I don't see they have a manufacture partnership lineup to produce the test.

The MIT/3M test has a commitment from 3M to manufacture thousands per day. This should be fairly easy to ramp up product for 3M, they have medical manufacturing experience and plants in the US.

3M is a large N95 manufacture, as well as many medical supplies....tape, OR kits, disposable gowns...the list is almost endless.

 

[Sundog]

And here is the Q&A session from yesterday explaining more of the roadblocks it is having. @Simply Southern and @Sundog this has more info on the companies in the last half.

Unfortunately for the paper tests, FDA vs. CLIA approvals which weren't designed to allow for public health test vs. diagnostic tests. So they aren't getting approved yet like I had thought.

Here is a link they recommended, Rapid Tests for a short read and ability to sent to your govenor/congressmen

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Thanks, good video and link on these new rapid tests that could change the paradigm on testing for school and university reopenings, and other reopenings.

 

[Sundog]

The article provided the raw data. There is a heck of a lot of different data.

Week 12 Household Pulse Survey: July 16 - July 21

Surprisingly, to me, it is the 25 - 54 year old age brackets that report 'sometimes' and 'often' not having enough to eat.

We have food insecurity issues on our campuses across the nation, with student food pantries that are constantly stocked with donations from private sector partners (grocery stores, restaurants) as well as individual donors. We even add a statement on our course syllabi regarding the resources of the student food pantries on campus.

 

[tresir2012]

LA to shut off water and power to party houses

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Image captionA woman was fatally shot at a party at this house in Los Angeles earlier this week

The mayor of Los Angeles has said the city will be authorised to shut off water and power to properties where large parties and gatherings are held despite restrictions imposed to curb the spread of coronavirus.

Eric Garcetti said house parties had become "nightclubs in the hills" and that the focus would be on gatherings "posing significant public dangers".

The rule comes into force on Friday.

California is the worst-affected US state with over 532,000 Covid-19 cases.

State authorities have also reported 9,872 deaths resulting from coronavirus.

Los Angeles county continues to report the highest number of infections in the state - 197,912 as of Wednesday.

Continued at link

 

[weepingangel]

Rhode Island
New measures on travelers, bars and large parties imposed in Rhode Island
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BARS AND RESTAURANTS

Starting Friday, bars and restaurants will have to close their bar areas by 11 p.m. each night, Gov. Raimondo announced Wednesday.

The Democrat said roughly 20% of establishments visited by state inspectors last week were still not properly separating bartenders from patrons, despite her administration's recent efforts to crackdown on scofflaws.

She warned she'll order bars statewide closed entirely if there isn't better compliance.

"We've been bending over backwards to keep bars open," Raimondo said. "Too many are pushing the limits. People can't congregate around bar areas. I can't be any clearer."

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SOCIAL GATHERINGS

Rhode Island State Police will be stepping up enforcement of the state's tightened limits on house parties and other social gatherings.

Gov. Raimondo said Wednesday the agency has created a new "Crush COVID" unit to enforce the limits, which she lowered to 15 people per gathering last week.

Violators will be subject to a $500 fine, which would be assessed to every person in attendance and not just the host, she said.

Anyone seeing large gatherings violating the state's laws are also encouraged to report them at the state's new hotline: (401) 764-5554.

 

[Sundog]

New York state school buses won’t have hand sanitizer on board this fall

. . . due to flammable liquid concerns . . .

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I read the article several times, it states the FDA has approved under emergency use, in May. I don't see they have a manufacture partnership lineup to produce the test.

The MIT/3M test has a commitment from 3M to manufacture thousands per day. This should be fairly easy to ramp up product for 3M, they have medical manufacturing experience and plants in the US.

3M is a large N95 manufacture, as well as many medical supplies....tape, OR kits, disposable gowns...the list is almost endless.

What is your insight after viewing the video which explains the ones we were discussing (low sensitivity) are not the ones in the article. The issue now is diagnostic test criteria vs. public health criteria.

I had such high hopes when I thought that the ones that folks could do at home would be allowed, but the regulatory agencies saying too low sensitivity, and the makers of such tests must mirror and have a way so that all of the results are reported to a public health organization for the results. Test makers just don't have that internal expertise. MOO And that is what much of this video is about.

Therefore... test makers can't do, pandemic doesn't fit any of the US agencies seamlessly. CLIAA doesn't want, FDA doesn't want. Test folks cannot do unless under *investigation* criteria.. e.g. cannot roll out to millions to test at home as no precedent for ANY agency in the US @Sundog MOO

It's a conundrum, and the government moves too slowly. Hopefully, we will learn much for the next pandemic/epidemic which now will be endemic MOO

It's gonna get real nasty with blame game as we move forward MOO as a public heath test that has low sensitivity, but works great in a pandemic, was not envisioned. Heck, most MSM and gov'mt officials still don't get it MOO. (Notwithstanding, high government doesn't get the easiest stuff.. this is third level critical thinking MOO)

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[tresir2012]

Rhode Island
New measures on travelers, bars and large parties imposed in Rhode Island
More at link
BARS AND RESTAURANTS

Starting Friday, bars and restaurants will have to close their bar areas by 11 p.m. each night, Gov. Raimondo announced Wednesday.

The Democrat said roughly 20% of establishments visited by state inspectors last week were still not properly separating bartenders from patrons, despite her administration's recent efforts to crackdown on scofflaws.

She warned she'll order bars statewide closed entirely if there isn't better compliance.

"We've been bending over backwards to keep bars open," Raimondo said. "Too many are pushing the limits. People can't congregate around bar areas. I can't be any clearer."

___

SOCIAL GATHERINGS

Rhode Island State Police will be stepping up enforcement of the state's tightened limits on house parties and other social gatherings.

Gov. Raimondo said Wednesday the agency has created a new "Crush COVID" unit to enforce the limits, which she lowered to 15 people per gathering last week.

Violators will be subject to a $500 fine, which would be assessed to every person in attendance and not just the host, she said.

Anyone seeing large gatherings violating the state's laws are also encouraged to report them at the state's new hotline: (401) 764-5554.

I saw on the R0 site that I posted earlier that Rhode Island's R0 had risen. They were a Red state again.

 

[mickey2942]

We have food insecurity issues on our campuses across the nation, with student food pantries that are constantly stocked with donations from private sector partners (grocery stores, restaurants) as well as individual donors. We even add a statement on our course syllabi regarding the resources of the student food pantries on campus.

So, how can they afford college, if they can't afford food?

 

[CSIDreamer]

So, how can they afford college, if they can't afford food?

Partial scholarships, student loans, etc. Jmo

 

[Simply Southern]

What is your insight after viewing the video which explains the ones we were discussing (low sensitivity) are not the ones in the article. The issue now is diagnostic test criteria vs. public health criteria.

I had such high hopes when I thought that the ones that folks could do at home would be allowed, but the regulatory agencies saying too low sensitivity, and the makers of such tests must mirror and have a way so that all of the results are reported to a public health organization for the results. Test makers just don't have that internal expertise. MOO And that is what much of this video is about.

Therefore... test makers can't do, pandemic doesn't fit any of the US agencies seamlessly. CLIAA doesn't want, FDA doesn't want. Test folks cannot do unless under *investigation* criteria.. e.g. cannot roll out to millions to test at home as no precedent for ANY agency in the US @Sundog MOO

It's a conundrum, and the government moves too slowly. Hopefully, we will learn much for the next pandemic/epidemic which now will be endemic MOO

It's gonna get real nasty with blame game as we move forward MOO as a public heath test that has low sensitivity, but works great in a pandemic, was not envisioned. Heck, most MSM and gov'mt officials still don't get it MOO. (Notwithstanding, high government doesn't get the easiest stuff.. this is third level critical thinking MOO)

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ETA... This is a you tube channel called MEDCAM, did the MODS approve, cause I see it often in WS? Or do I need to self report? Just looked them up....sorry

Not sure the speakers have the same information I am reading and posting from MIT website. The FDA is clearly interesting in paper test, has already approved one, is working with MIT/3M/NIH on one that can be produced by the thousands quickly. Dr Birx spoke of these in many of her first WHTF PC...she was challenging, great minds at our great universities to a quickly develop a "finger stick/spit" type test.

As far as manufacturing the test 3M excels at this, it's their core business. MOO..we'll see Johnson and Johnson and others jump on these home test kits.

FDA is aware of low sensitivity in home test....examples home pregnancy, blood sugars. No blood sugar reading from a home test device ever matches a blood test. It's a 'tool" and warning system. So yes, the FDA will be approving test that meet standards and they already have standards for home test, which the speakers says they do not.

If you read any of the article from MIT/3M it clearly states paper test are in FDA review and 3M will manufacture.

Yes, the test not 100% reliable, the margin of error is great for a false positive. MOO...I'd rather have false positive and seek medical advice, than a negative test and walk around infecting people.

The "purpose" of the paper test, convenient, take in the comfort of your home, no doctor order require, distributed by pharmacies, big box stores, cheap to produce, and mass distribute.

Much like the "home pregnancy test" , home test for urinary tract infection, or test finger stick blood sugar and other home test.

This test is designed for rapid, mass testing and with any home test Covid, pregnancy, UTI, or elevated blood sugars we should seek medical advice from our physician or local health department, if we obtain certain results. Its never gonna be, nor is meant to be the only test a positive person would take. I'm sure there will be a warning....when to contact a medical professional.

I do see folks taking more than one test, just like with home pregnancy and blood glucose tests, some folks may suspect an incorrect reading or just not believe in the results. Some folks that won't go to a doctor or test site, are afraid to go for a nasal swab, illegal immigrants who fear ICE, or feel big brother would monitor them, will have a tool they can use to at least try to stop the spread.

It's a new type of test to add to our tool box.

Now we PCR, antibody, and home test.

Hopefully these test will be in the market within the next few months.

MOO...