Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #74

[tresir2012]

Tresir, I think almost all of use believe there is going to be vaccine by November. If we want to get granular, possibly over 200 exist right now.

Many are being geared up and mass produced all over the world as I write this, without yet being proven. And yes, other countries will probably roll out prior to the US.

That is what much of the funding is for in that many are being produced prior to the completion of phase 3 so there is a jump on the stockpile.

The bottom line for many is that folks in the US are perhaps being "mislead" into thinking that a vaccine will be produced, have all the logistics out there, and available for you and I to go up to our local CVS or doc to get the shot in November.

MOO, that's not gonna happen for us normal folks until well into 2021, and those disclaimers and explanations aren't getting out to the common folk in the US who don't understand and therefore believe (falsely MOO) that they will be able to get a shot this November.

Go back to February even in this thread. There were statements that a vaccine had been developed even at that time.

There are some that have been proved to generate immune responses and are at the final stage now so I am very hopeful. The statements in February were likely regarding the work they had done for the original SARS virus so I think they piggy backed on that which gave them an advantage speed wise. The current volunteers have already had the vaccine I believe. I don't know if they are deliberately going to expose them to Coronavirus or how they are actually testing it in those volunteers.

I am hoping us elderly and those with health conditions will be front of the queue. That is what our government has said anyway.

 

[SouthAussie]

Many teachers of low income community students say that a year off could be disastrous for many students. A lot of them do not have computers or wifi at their disposal daily, unlike other students.

And many do not have people who can homeschool them sufficiently. And they will also miss out on their breakfast and lunches, that many rely upon.

They are afraid that a large segment of students will regress considerably if they do not get back to school sooner rather than later.

Survey Shows Big Remote Learning Gaps For Low-Income And Special Needs Children
Survey Shows Big Remote Learning Gaps For Low-Income And Special Needs Children

Four out of 10 of the poorest U.S. students are accessing remote learning as little as once a week or less, according to a new survey from ParentsTogether, an advocacy group. By contrast, for families making more than $100,000 a year, 83% of kids are doing distance learning every day, with the majority engaged over two hours a day, the survey found.

The nation's schools shut down in-person learning in mid-March, and only a few states, including Colorado, Montana and Wyoming, have experimented with opening classroom doors since then. From the beginning, experts in distance learning warned that it can magnify inequities, with the most able and highly advantaged learners humming along while learners who need more support fall far behind.

I guess my question is ... how have these students been surviving during the long summer break?

And would however they have been getting by take them through a longer period? One where the covid situation may settle down quite a bit.

Keeping in mind that schools may open/close/open/close if covid outbreaks occur.

 

[katydid23]

I have to say no surprise here- i will say it now: The NFL will not go forward for an entire season. The contact in football will not allow a season to continue. I guess even
baseball is having their problems and there is not much contact, on the field anyway.
Here is the bottom line: you put a bunch of people (in this case athletes) together in a clubhouse, in a dressing room: then they go home, leave the stadium, go to dinner, go to bars, blah blah blah. what does anyone think will happen. I want to shout to people
THIS IS A PANDEMIC- DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS?????

But they are NOT leaving the stadium and going anywhere---not even to their own homes.

They are ALL living in 'the bubble' for the entire season. ALL the players and coaches are quarantined in 5 star hotel. They eat all meals there. They can order delivery too.

They ALL take Covid tests every 2 days I believe, maybe 3.

If a player 'leaves the bubble' ---they must quarantine for 10 days, and cannot join team games or practices until quarantine is over and they get 3 negative tests.

They are not going to bars or restaurants. They are wearing masks with their team members while inside.

And they may have 'shields' on their helmets as well. They designed them but have to test them first.

And, there are not going to be fans at the games, at this point anyway.

 

[katydid23]

I guess my question is ... how have these students been surviving during the long summer break?

And would however they have been getting by take them through a longer period? One where the covid situation may settle down quite a bit.

Keeping in mind that schools may open/close/open/close if covid outbreaks occur.

They can 'survive' food wise. The states have been giving out meals like they do during summer.

The main problem is the regression in learning, compared to other students with situations that make it more conducive to progressing with their studies.

"Four out of 10 of the poorest U.S. students are accessing remote learning as little as once a week or less, ....

From the beginning, experts in distance learning warned that it can magnify inequities, with the most able and highly advantaged learners humming along while learners who need more support fall far behind."

The issue is more about a large segment of students missing out on teachers, who are needed by many students, when trying to learn difficult concepts. If they do not have people who can help them with fractions or long division at home, and don't have wifi access at home, they are at a big disadvantAge.

 

[katydid23]

Not sure that they were near death but taking advice from non medical people.

How would they have a prescription for it if they weren't working with medical people?

 

[ilovewings]

But they are NOT leaving the stadium and going anywhere---not even to their own homes.

They are ALL living in 'the bubble' for the entire season. ALL the players and coaches are quarantined in 5 star hotel. They eat all meals there. They can order delivery too.

They ALL take Covid tests every 2 days I believe, maybe 3.

If a player 'leaves the bubble' ---they must quarantine for 10 days, and cannot join team games or practices until quarantine is over and they get 3 negative tests.

They are not going to bars or restaurants. They are wearing masks with their team members while inside.

And they may have 'shields' on their helmets as well. They designed them but have to test them first.

Bubbles are working for other sports. Why did the NFL decide against one?

 

[ilovewings]

I'll read this and watch this. I'd read somewhere though that the flu has a tendency to burn itself out on it's own. But that they thought covid was different and would not burn itself out. I don't understand getting the R0 below this...

Ok reading now and it's just depressing because the US and my state Georgia are basically doing none of this. And I honestly don't understand what we are working toward because it seems like as soon as people stop isolating it flairs right back up.

"So future sustained outbreaks, like the current Victorian outbreak, will remain possible until we can vaccinate the population - even under an elimination strategy."

And it sounds like we will be lucky to have a vaccine any more effective than the flu vaccine.

"So ultimately, both strategies are susceptible to outbreaks of COVID-19 in the community as long as the pandemic endures."

"Whether Australia continues with its suppression strategy or opts to switch to a defined elimination strategy, either approach will require continued vigilance."

I'll watch the video but this sounds like it doesn't answer the concerns of....does this ever end? Does it just become endemic? How long can a pandemic last? It sounds like it's never going away so how do we maintain vigilance forever? A 50% effective vaccine is not impressive. I'm not sure of the R0 difference between this and the flu but I was thinking this was currently a lot more contagious. And the flu is typical seasonal and this is apparently not.

I have had the flu once in over 40 years. I hate this virus....This is like living in some horror movie.

This is an evil virus for so many reasons: the most evil part is that a person can be an asymptomatic carrier of the virus---people who get the flu or a cold have symptoms - i have said before this virus is the devil's work; a real population reducer and the scourge of our time. I can't see going back to normal living for at least a couple of years, especially if a vaccine only confers 50-60 percent effectiveness.

The other reason it is so evil is by its very nature, because a good portion of people who get it will have no symptoms or few symptoms (and it is not life threatening to those with symptoms), those people apparently have no concern for the 20% of the population who develop life threatening symptoms, mostly the elderly, but not only the elderly: otherwise healthy people have developed horrible life-threatening disease and some have died in their 30s and 40s. So this virus in a sense has pitted one portion of the population against the other.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

There are some that have been proved to generate immune responses and are at the final stage now so I am very hopeful. The statements in February were likely regarding the work they had done for the original SARS virus so I think they piggy backed on that which gave them an advantage speed wise. The current volunteers have already had the vaccine I believe. I don't know if they are deliberately going to expose them to Coronavirus or how they are actually testing it in those volunteers.

I am hoping us elderly and those with health conditions will be front of the queue. That is what our government has said anyway.

I have seen a few governments state in writing what is to be expected, which is your country? US? UK? other?

 

[MimosaMornings]

They thought COVID was a hoax, until they fell ill — NBC News

“The mindset that people have is that it’s not real until it gets close to home."

 

[katydid23]

Mmmmm................ crisis? 266 dead as opposed to almost 50,000 dead and it is crisis?

To be fair, we shouldn't compare the entire US to Victoria.

Victoria population= app. 6.49 million = 266 deaths
Kentucky population=app 5.59 million= 785 deaths

That^^ seems like a more apt comparison. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Bubbles are working for other sports. Why did the NFL decide against one?

NFL's Top Doctor On How Football Plans To Return

Saints renting hotel to create optional team bubble for camp

METAIRIE, La. -- The New Orleans Saints rented out four floors of the Loews Hotel in downtown New Orleans to create an optional bubble-like atmosphere for players and staff members who choose to stay there during the next month of training camp.

"It's not a bubble. It's a sequester," Saints coach Sean Payton told NBC Sports.

Staying in the hotel is optional. Payton estimated that about 150 people will stay there among the total of 180 players, coaches and executives, plus medical, cafeteria, security and support staff. Owner Gayle Benson was willing to pay the hefty cost to help eliminate some health risks.

Saints rent hotel to create optional team bubble


Yeah, we absolutely did consider that. In fact, we considered many different options and scenarios of what we thought the season could look like. And what we ultimately settled on is what we're calling a "virtual football bubble," which means that, yes, teams are in their own home markets. And yes, players, coaches and staff can stay at their own homes.

But when everyone is at the facility, they're under a very careful set of protocols. They're under a number of measures that we've put in place. And then we're asking them essentially when they're not at the team environment to mostly stay at home, if you will. But when they go out to observe all of the best precautions that we can recommend, which means avoiding large gatherings, avoiding crowds, making sure they're doing masks and all of the other measures that we know that work.

We settled on that approach because we thought it combined the elements of risk mitigation with also being practical and pragmatic over the course of a six-month season.

 

[ilovewings]

NFL's Top Doctor On How Football Plans To Return

Saints renting hotel to create optional team bubble for camp

METAIRIE, La. -- The New Orleans Saints rented out four floors of the Loews Hotel in downtown New Orleans to create an optional bubble-like atmosphere for players and staff members who choose to stay there during the next month of training camp.

"It's not a bubble. It's a sequester," Saints coach Sean Payton told NBC Sports.

Staying in the hotel is optional. Payton estimated that about 150 people will stay there among the total of 180 players, coaches and executives, plus medical, cafeteria, security and support staff. Owner Gayle Benson was willing to pay the hefty cost to help eliminate some health risks.

Saints rent hotel to create optional team bubble


Yeah, we absolutely did consider that. In fact, we considered many different options and scenarios of what we thought the season could look like. And what we ultimately settled on is what we're calling a "virtual football bubble," which means that, yes, teams are in their own home markets. And yes, players, coaches and staff can stay at their own homes.

But when everyone is at the facility, they're under a very careful set of protocols. They're under a number of measures that we've put in place. And then we're asking them essentially when they're not at the team environment to mostly stay at home, if you will. But when they go out to observe all of the best precautions that we can recommend, which means avoiding large gatherings, avoiding crowds, making sure they're doing masks and all of the other measures that we know that work.

We settled on that approach because we thought it combined the elements of risk mitigation with also being practical and pragmatic over the course of a six-month season.

The fact that they can leave the bubble and go to their homes and other places does provide an element of more risk. what about single guys who want to meet chicks? who can guarantee they won't go to a crowded place like a bar or crowded restaurant?
The NBA and NHL I believe have a bubble that isn't being breached in any manner, at least i think that is the case (though i could be wrong about that). I would love nothing more than to have a football season ( i mean i am looking forward to seeing that hunk Tom Brady playing for the Bucs), but i honestly do not see this as feasable for so many reasons. Hope i am wrong.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The fact that they can leave the bubble and go to their homes and other places does provide an element of more risk. what about single guys who want to meet chicks? who can guarantee they won't go to a crowded place like a bar or crowded restaurant?
The NBA and NHL I believe have a bubble that isn't being breached in any manner, at least i think that is the case (though i could be wrong about that). I would love nothing more than to have a football season ( i mean i am looking forward to seeing that hunk Tom Brady playing for the Bucs), but i honestly do not see this as feasable for so many reasons. Hope i am wrong.

And then thoughts go back to Australia where it got outta hand due to security sleeping/having sex with those in isolation

 

[Tony1902]

They don't wear helmets????? that is just plain stupid

In most ERs motorcycles are called donor cycles. Not so polite but very real to the healthcare workers.

 

[musicaljoke]

1,600 Times that # have died from the actual virus.

The death toll is counted as 724,000 at the moment. The numbers are truly astounding. I hope that our minds don't gloss over the horrific carnage caused by this virus.

 

[katydid23]

The fact that they can leave the bubble and go to their homes and other places does provide an element of more risk. what about single guys who want to meet chicks? who can guarantee they won't go to a crowded place like a bar or crowded restaurant?
The NBA and NHL I believe have a bubble that isn't being breached in any manner, at least i think that is the case (though i could be wrong about that). I would love nothing more than to have a football season ( i mean i am looking forward to seeing that hunk Tom Brady playing for the Bucs), but i honestly do not see this as feasable for so many reasons. Hope i am wrong.

I think the athletes are pretty convinced they have to quarantine,.. they are getting tested many times, and anyone who tests positive is OUT.

I am sure some of them will want to meet girls, but I think they understand the issues. Most of them probably have steady wives or girlfriends at this time, I think. Covid seems to make that happen. lol

 

[musicaljoke]

Mmmmm................ crisis? 266 dead as opposed to almost 50,000 dead and it is crisis?

Australia has wisely resisted the temptation to compare their own CoVid management with what's happening in the US. The Australian crisis is due to community spread from unknown sources. That makes it impossible to contact trace in order to suppress the spread. That is indeed a public health crisis.

There ought to be a different term for the situation in the US so that countries don't minimize their need to stop community spread just because their numbers are better than those in the US.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Australia has wisely resisted the temptation to compare their own CoVid management with what's happening in the US. The Australian crisis is due to community spread from unknown sources. That makes it impossible to contact trace in order to suppress the spread. That is indeed a public health crisis.

There ought to be a different term for the situation in the US so that countries don't minimize their need to stop community spread just because their numbers are better than those in the US.

Are you talking about Australians in general or the Australian government? Because I may have to respectfully disagree if it is the citizens. Jmo

 

[Sundog]

According to the CDC, child vaccination rates are way down across the country.

Pediatricians are really worried that the drop in vaccinations could set the stage for more disease outbreaks.

Don't have a link, heard it on the radio this morning.

 

[ilovewings]

And then thoughts go back to Australia where it got outta hand due to security sleeping/having sex with those in isolation

There are just too many ways for these sports to go wrong while trying to play a season in the middle of a pandemic