Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #75

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What Economists Fear Will Happen Without More Unemployment Aid

I remember back in January/February thinking that if we could have a housing bubble burst and effect the world economy what would a pandemic do? So far it's been worse than I imagined. I wonder how far down this hole we'll fall.

"The economists also said we’re more likely to see job losses than workers returning to the workforce if Congress decides not to extend the unemployment supplement in any form.

That might seem counterintuitive — how could a policy that seems likely to encourage more people to return to work actually result in more job losses? But recent research has indicated that the $600-per-week payment has been allowing jobless workers to continue to spend money as they would normally, at a moment when hiring still isn’t back to normal in many industries. And if losing the extra money causes millions of people to cut back their spending, businesses could suffer and lay off workers as a result. “The net effect on jobs is hard to say — on the one hand, lower spending implies some job losses, but that should be offset to some extent by more people returning to work and finding new jobs,” said Eric Swanson, a professor at the University of California, Irvine.

We also asked the economists about what might cause their worst-case predictions for fourth-quarter GDP to come to life. We gave them a bunch of different scenarios and asked them to weight which were most likely to bring about their nightmares. As a group, they said a lack of fiscal stimulus loomed almost as large as a bad second wave of COVID-19 infections. Notably, a lack of fiscal stimulus was a far greater concern than when we last asked the question in mid-June, although the level of worry about a second wave of coronavirus barely budged."
 
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This makes no sense to me. The UK will shut down whole neighborhoods to contain the spread. BUT they want all the kids across the entire country to return to school? I honestly don't see how that works unless you have next to no community transmission.

Me neither. I don't know what the answer is. I suppose we have to see what happens with other countries and students.

Anyone know which countries have gone 'back to school' already?
 
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We need to slam the damn door shut; we're an island, it's do-able

Allowing flights to continue through March is what got us into a big mess in the first place. Get everyone home asap, test them on arrival, self-quarantine until results are through in a day or two.

Cases are creeping up all over Europe and we could all end up with a proper second peak like the US is having, if we're not more careful.

Cags
Minister For Common Sense
UK Office

I'd elect you.
 
  • #125
Not to mention that your positivity rate is high - and UK holiday-makers are now vectors in Greece and Spain (not sure about France).

However, I do think it should be reciprocal. And in that way, the global project of eliminating CoVid would be quickened. UK travels a lot, it must not just exclude others, it must also stop traveling to all the other places it's traveling.

Each island/smaller nation can do this and it will help.

Australia is even controlling intra-national travel, as I understand it (along with NY and some other states...but sadly, not California - and the high rates are in counties that are gateway communities to Tahoe and Yosemite.

Every nation should close its borders (for at least 2-3 weeks) and really get serious about the quarantines. However, only some smaller nations are going to do it. Also, the "essential travel only" must be enforced - there's absolutely no enforcement of it in California or most western states as far as I can see. The opposite.

Yes, France too. Approx half a million Brits are there at the moment apparently, and the govt has just announced that anyone returning after 4am Saturday has to self-isolate for 2 weeks. Totally agree it must be reciprocal, pointless otherwise.

While our case rate is going up slowly but surely - nudging the 1k a day mark - our current death rate is pretty low averaging 12 deaths per day.

Source: United Kingdom Coronavirus: 313,798 Cases and 41,347 Deaths - Worldometer

I'd elect you.

Why thank you, LadyL! I'll make a Vote Cags rosette for you :D
 
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So I have friends who have tested positive within the last week. 5 of them had no symptoms in the beginning but all 5 of them had severe pain in their elbows. Has anyone heard of the elbow pain as a possible symptom?
 
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So I have friends who have tested positive within the last week. 5 of them had no symptoms in the beginning but all 5 of them had severe pain in their elbows. Has anyone heard of the elbow pain as a possible symptom?
I have heard of severe leg and back pain so elbow pain would be no surprise. To me.
 
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The FDA, no doubt. There's quite a bit of paperwork/digital transmission and then the wait...for the defunded FDA (with its hiring freeze still in place?) to process anything at all.

Look for some other nation to have it first. OR, for university hospitals and doctors to start using it as part of the trial.

Or we might get lucky and this one (of all the various new treatments) will get fast-tracked.

NIH is partial funding the research and scheduled to start clinical trials.

Berkeley Lab aids UCSF development of COVID-19 antiviral nasal spray | Federal Labs

Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) reported on August 11 that they have formulated a nasal spray that can help ward off the coronavirus. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory's Advanced Light Source was involved in research supporting the product; that research was funded in part by the National Institutes of Health.

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Clinical trials could begin in a few months, he said, and AeroNabs could potentially be used in other forms besides a nasal spray. For instance, the UCSF researchers said during an August 12 news conference, they think the molecule is stable enough to integrate into air-conditioning filters or nebulizers that could be used in schools, shopping malls or other environments.
 
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There are so many contradictory messages again. Opening schools is fine, but church attendance is a public health risk. There is no consistency to anything.

I'm terrified of it all. I don't want the schools to open.
 
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So I have friends who have tested positive within the last week. 5 of them had no symptoms in the beginning but all 5 of them had severe pain in their elbows. Has anyone heard of the elbow pain as a possible symptom?

interesting
 
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In N.Y.C.’s Spring Virus Surge, a Frightening Echo of 1918 Flu

A really interesting article that makes a comparison between Covid and the pandemic of 1918. What struck me most about what was said is that considering it is 100 years later, so much more would be expected with respect to managing this virus. This country has absolutely mismanaged this virus so badly.
 
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Fascinating article - thanks for posting it. This quote stood out to me: "Typically, people who die from COVID-19 ARDS die around day 19." I didn't get my test results from CVS Pharmacy until day 20. :confused:

That really was a good article, thanks @COSCitizen.
Rose, if you had developed ARDS during your wait for results, I'm pretty sure you would have been hospitalized...and hopefully would still be alive. :)
 
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I'm terrified of it all. I don't want the schools to open.

I so agree with you: it is terrifying to think of schools opening. OMG - the spread of the virus is going to get so much worse----- it's a given.
 
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Yes, and that backlog is what completely makes Contact Tracing a waste of time. Because by the time a contact tracer starts to follow up on the close contacts, with a positive case that should quarantine for 14 days, the quarantine period is already done.

Any surprise that the United States is unable to control the out of control spread of Covid-19 in the United States?!

Want to hear something crazy! I know a husband and wife who were tested on the same day/same place, just prior to July 4th. Wife had some possible mild symptoms while the husband, who is diabetic and mildly overweight, had none. Wife had her results in 5 days while it took husband’s results 16 days to get to him. Thankfully each had sense enough to quarantine while waiting but to test same day/same place with wildly varying test results timing is crazy...and stupid.
 
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It's bad - we're now entering a phase where this could go exponential in much of the nation (not New England).

It won't be long until it's fall color season in NE. Lots of leaf-peeping visitors every year.
 
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Have heard neck pain/ upper back. (Anecdotal no link)


So I have friends who have tested positive within the last week. 5 of them had no symptoms in the beginning but all 5 of them had severe pain in their elbows. Has anyone heard of the elbow pain as a possible symptom?
 
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