Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #75

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  • #421
Hmmm ... is NZ housing Australian prisoners and providing stimulus payments to Aussies living in NZ?
No, of course not. The traffic is really mostly one way. Australia does house the prisoners but at the end of their sentence (and sometimes not the first sentence but a progression of sentences) they are sent back to NZ.
 
  • #422
I happened to have one single mask in my medicine chest from last year. I bought it to eliminate grass allergies when mowing the lawn. When I checked it turned out to be an N95. I started wearing it immediately way back in March for grocery shopping....at which time every one was looking at me as if I was crazy but I didn’t care. ( Not much anyway.) I was determined to keep my compromised hubby safe.
Not many people laugh any more and a good half are wearing masks too...except the anti mask idiots...like the one step son. I have to admit though that it’s harder to wear one now that the weather is hot. I can hardly wait to get back to my vehicle and get it off and feel like I can really fill my lungs with air.

Yes there may be a cultural element in understanding/ preventing this virus, but there seems to be such an anti establishment attitude in the younger generation. Certainly not all, but so many seem to have no respect for rules and regulations and no understanding that in demanding their rights, they must also respect the rights of others. I kept noticing it before Covid hit...and wondering what the future would hold with this ‘ dissatisfied’ attitude. I think we are now experiencing it big time in the attitude towards the virus rules. Both in the USA and Canada. Heck, one of our own adult kids even has apparently developed the attitude. From where? Certainly not from us. I don’t know, perhaps the world is just too crowded,,too overpopulated...perhaps they feel they have to fight for space in it.
BBM. I have found that it is not so much the younger generation, but middle aged and almost elderly men who are more like to rant about the loss of freedom by having to wear a mask. They are also IMO most likely to call it a hoax.
 
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DBM


Didn't look at the date. In this fast moving Coronavirus world last Thursday is not current news.
 
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I have a couple of times been a bit disappointed with Jacinda's attitude to Australia. She appears to me to make it a competition. She doesn't want Australia to deport NZers serving sentences for serious crimes back to NZ and she expects the Australian government to provide Australians stimulus payments to NZers living in Australia.

We actually have reciprocal agreements with NZ. For example, we have a social security agreement for Aus/NZ people who become residents of the other country where the country they now live in will pay their social security payments.
So Aus people who retire to NZ can get their seniors pension directly from NZ, and vice versa.

I imagine we had a stimulus payment agreement to work out between the two countries.
 
  • #426
Let's hope he trips, while concentrating on twirling.
He might have "tripped", if I had been there - putting my elderly parents at risk when they were enjoying their second venture out since March!!
 
  • #427
Excuse me if this has already been posted.

A Chinese doctor who fled her home country under threat has claimed COVID-19 originated in a military lab and China and the World Health Organisation covered up facts about its human contagion early on

Dr Li-Meng Yan who fled China to reveal coronavirus truths will never see family again

I haven't seen this before. I do wonder how she managed to fly from China to LA on April 28th though. I thought all flights from China to US, especially Wuhan, were cancelled in March.

The story is interesting and worrying though.
 
  • #428
Re previous comments that retailers should employ security.

Retailers here in the UK are in big financial trouble. Debenhams were the latest big name to hit the skids.

Debenhams to cut 2,500 more jobs amid pandemic

A lot of stores have two or three entrances. To provide security 7 days a week, you'd be looking at increasing your labour costs by maybe 3 x 25k per annum. The money just isnt there for it.

Meanwhile, to ask a young minimum wage employee to challenge a hairy-arsed gorilla three times their age for not following the rules... That's not fair either. Managers, if back from furlough, are busy implementing new safety measures in store and arranging rotas on skeleton staff.

Then you have the whole minefield of hidden disabilities and medical exemptions. Few people wear the lanyard to "explain".

It's a really tricky situation. We're relying on people doing the decent thing, but as we're seeing, they are too selfish and pig headed in some cases to care.

All this said - here in England, the vast majority ARE following the rules and doing the right thing.
 
  • #429
Re previous comments that retailers should employ security.

Retailers here in the UK are in big financial trouble. Debenhams were the latest big name to hit the skids.

Debenhams to cut 2,500 more jobs amid pandemic

A lot of stores have two or three entrances. To provide security 7 days a week, you'd be looking at increasing your labour costs by maybe 3 x 25k per annum. The money just isnt there for it.

Meanwhile, to ask a young minimum wage employee to challenge a hairy-arsed gorilla three times their age for not following the rules... That's not fair either. Managers, if back from furlough, are busy implementing new safety measures in store and arranging rotas on skeleton staff.

Then you have the whole minefield of hidden disabilities and medical exemptions. Few people wear the lanyard to "explain".

It's a really tricky situation. We're relying on people doing the decent thing, but as we're seeing, they are too selfish and pig headed in some cases to care.

All this said - here in England, the vast majority ARE following the rules and doing the right thing.

It would have to be streamlined. One entrance only, security there. I just feel that it could give all shoppers a greater sense of security and safety. Then perhaps sales wouldn't diminish as much.

The cost of security isn't as much as we think. The security guards at the Melbourne quarantine hotels were making less than a cafe worker, as per a 60 Minutes special that I saw about it.

When it is such a huge problem in various areas of the US, one would think the store managers would do something smart about it. Even if it means increasing some prices a tiny little bit to cover the cost.

To my way of thinking, there are few problems that are insurmountable. They might be more difficult to overcome, but most problems can be overcome with the right effort.


ETA: I do note that it isn't an issue all over the US. Where my friends live in NYS everyone is doing the mask thing in shops and restaurants, and other shared public spaces.
 
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One of the most widely respected public health officials in the United States has said he thinks there is no reason not to vote in-person in November, 'if carefully done'.

Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told National Geographic on Thursday that he felt in-person voting was not impossible, even given the coronavirus pandemic.

'I think if carefully done, according to the guidelines, there's no reason that I can see why that not be the case,' he said.

Anthony Fauci: No reason why we shouldn't be able to vote in-person
 
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The family at the centre of the COVID-19 cluster in Auckland were left “shell-shocked” when their tests for the virus came back positive.

Health Minister Chris Hipkins issued a stern warning about social media, saying sharing of unverified information had created “extreme distress” for the family at the centre of the current cluster.

He said one post in particular contained a “number of vile slurs and was totally and utterly wrong”.

Hipkins said it smacked of malicious behaviour.
Coronavirus: Infected NZ family at centre of new cluster ‘shell-shocked’
 
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Just so we know where the original mask advice and info came from in March and what it said. Basically only the sick and health workers were advised to wear masks.

Should you wear a face mask? WHO officials weigh in

This was as of 30 March 2020. UK was already in lockdown by this date.

  • The World Health Organization held a media briefing to update the public on the COVID-19 outbreak. Streamed live Monday, 30 March.
  • WHO officials do not recommend mask wearing for healthy members of the general population.
  • Masks should be worn by those with the disease or those in close contact with those infected.
  • As lockdowns become more prevalent, family spread will become more common.
To wear or not to wear? That has become the key question during the pandemic as the face mask has become a symbol of our changed lives under coronavirus. Still, months after the pandemic began to spread, many people still remain unsure about whether a mask is essential to keep them safe.

Messages differ from country to country. The US Surgeon General pleaded with the public in February to stop buying masks, while countries such as South Korea and Japan distributed them to the public. Recently the Czech Republic and Slovakia even made them mandatory. World Health Organization (WHO) officials helped clarify how they recommend masks can best be deployed at a briefing on 30 March.

Who should wear a mask:

  • Those who are sick. WHO officials recommended those infected with the COVID-19 coronavirus to wear masks to prevent spreading it to someone else.
  • Those who are home caregivers for those who are sick. People caring for the sick should wear masks to protect themselves and to prevent further transmission throughout a family unit. Mask wearing has become critical in these situations, thanks to lockdown, said Michael J. Ryan, Chief Executive Director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme, since most of the new transmissions are happening at the family level. “In some senses,” he said, “the transmission has been taken off the streets and pushed back into the family unit.”
  • Those who are frontline healthcare workers. Right now the people most at risk from this virus are frontline healthworkers who are exposed to the virus "every second of every day", Ryan also said.
WHO officials were careful to say that the agency does not criticise countries who advise wearing masks. But at the same time, the agency was quick to stress that masks are commonly misused, and as a result, won't offer the intended protections.

Continued at link.

Now I will look for and edit post with WHO current guidance.

As of 6 Jun this is the WHO guidance.

WHO updates guidance on masks - here's what you need to know

What's new:

  • In areas with widespread transmission, the WHO advises medical masks for all people working in clinical areas of a health facility, not only workers dealing with patients with COVID-19. In other words, said the Director General, when doctors are doing a ward round on the cardiology or palliative care units where there are no confirmed COVID-19 patients, they should still wear a medical mask.
  • In areas with community transmission, the WHO now advises that members of the general public aged 60 and older and those with underlying conditions should wear a medical mask in situations where physical distancing is not possible.
  • The general public should wear non-medical masks where there is widespread transmission and when physical distancing is difficult, such as on public transport, in shops or in other confined or crowded environments.
  • Additionally, the WHO has released new guidance on cloth masks, recommending that they consist of at least three layers of different materials: an inner layer being an absorbent material like cotton, a middle layer of non-woven materials such as polypropylene (for the filter) and an outer layer, which is a non absorbent material such as a polyester or a polyester blend.
To develop the guidance, the agency consulted with a range of international experts from different countries and disciplines such as infectious diseases and epidemiology. Their review of a variety of evidence demonstrated some new findings, including that face protections, including respirators or medical masks, can result in a large reduction of transmission of coronaviruses, including COVID-19.

Recommendations, such as those regarding fabric masks, are the result of new research that the WHO commissioned that was not available a month ago. This new evidence, said Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO Technical Lead, has shown that the recommended fabric combination "can actually provide a mechanistic barrier that if someone were infected with COVID-19, you can prevent those droplets from going through and infecting someone."

Officials acknowledged that in some countries with dense populations it is difficult, if not impossible, to maintain social distancing, making masks "very important," stressed Soumya Swaminathan, WHO Chief Scientist, and meaning that offices, transport agencies and schools will need to examine their recommendations closely as countries lift lockdown restrictions. "Every organization, industry and sector needs to think about what are the measures that need to be put in place," said Swaminathan.

Throughout the COVID-19 crisis, mask guidance has varied by country, expert and organization. Some countries have recommended non-medical masks only for sick people, while other experts have advocated for non-medical mask use by healthy members of the general public when outside of their homes. Some countries, such as the Czech Republic and Slovakia, even made mask wearing mandatory.

The WHO had previously recommended against the wearing of medical masks by the general public given the global PPE shortage. It had been reluctant to advocate for wider usage of non-medical masks by healthy people given the lack of data available at the time.

Today, WHO officials reminded the public that masks still must be worn correctly, cared for and kept clean to ensure that they are effective. "People can infect themselves if they use contaminated hands to adjust a mask or repeatedly take it on or off," explained the Director-General.

"I cannot say this clearly enough," said the Director-General. "Masks alone will not protect you from COVID-19."

More at link relating to the previous guidance that did not change.
 
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  • #435
We actually have reciprocal agreements with NZ. For example, we have a social security agreement for Aus/NZ people who become residents of the other country where the country they now live in will pay their social security payments.
So Aus people who retire to NZ can get their seniors pension directly from NZ, and vice versa.

I imagine we had a stimulus payment agreement to work out between the two countries.
I thought that that ended some time ago.
 
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The dine out to help out scheme is having problems.

Eat out scheme causing 'hostility towards staff'

"Some restaurants and pubs are withdrawing from the Eat Out to Help Out scheme because of "hostility towards staff".

Under the scheme the government pays half of the bill on meals served from Monday to Wednesdays throughout August.

Owners says a surge in demand on these days has led to staff being shouted at, and "physical and mental stress".

In tourist-heavy areas like the South West many say the scheme is not helping at an already busy time of year.

Some say fewer customers are dining on other weekdays as a result.

The Treasury said the scheme was working.

UK Hospitality, which represents the industry, said generally the feedback had been "very positive for businesses who were staring ruin in the face".

However, The Tavern Inn in Newquay is one venue that has pulled out of the discount scheme, which is capped at £10 per diner and does not include alcoholic drinks.
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Continued at link above.

Info on home working and schools returning at link below, regarding England.

Home working and local lockdowns 'more popular'
 
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I am now thoroughly convinced our society is crazy. Ready for this. SHOES ARE NOT REQUIRED LEGALLY. Guess we can all ignore all signs and do what the H### we want.
State Health Department codes do not regulate customer clothing–including footwear.

Want proof? Just search for any state’s health code and you can see for yourself. Hint: they say nothing about it.
Health Codes and OSHA | Society for Barefoot Living

I am fully aware of this myself after joining a barefoot group online and seeing people post pictures of themselves going everywhere barefoot and then informing staff it's not illegal. Of course the difference is no one is endangering anyone's health but their own walking around barefoot in the Plague States of American. Maskless however is different.
 
  • #439
Amazing that people are forgetting COVID-19 is still out there and active. Went for a walk yesterday in a nearby small park. Large picnic as if nothing was happening.
 
  • #440
Amazing that people are forgetting COVID-19 is still out there and active. Went for a walk yesterday in a nearby small park. Large picnic as if nothing was happening.

I hear ya!! it is amazing - pandemic? what pandemic? the problem is you can't see the ugly virus- if they could see it they would be scared to death----
 
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