Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #77

[katydid23]

Also, when people compare '5 European countries' and add their totals to ours, and say our President failed----is it fair to make a comparison?

Because those 5 countries had FIVE Prime Ministers and FIVE administrations that were dealing with the individual governments issues.

And that is being compared to our One President and his one administration.


It makes sense it is harder to turn the ship when it is 5x larger and more populated.

 

[Trino]

It is my humble opinion that sending kids back to physical schools is close to insane. Many places are limiting adult gatherings, bars are closed, restaurants closed, no events - all this, then, well, never mind, let's just open the schools.

 

[Trino]

COVID-19 Cluster in New Hampshire Linked to Youth Hockey Camp
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A cluster of COVID-19 cases in New Hampshire is being linked to a youth hockey camp that was held in Nashua, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

Thirteen people connected to the camp tested positive and three of them are young students in Bedford, health officials said.

The US has a sports mentality, albeit kids or adults. Kids wrestling tournaments are being held in various places nationwide, and, even worse, parents are allowing their kids to participate. Maybe we shouldn't have been so harsh on Sturgis.
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[tresir2012]

Also, when people compare '5 European countries' and add their totals to ours, and say our President failed----is it fair to make a comparison?

Because those 5 countries had FIVE Prime Ministers and FIVE administrations that were dealing with the individual governments issues.

And that is being compared to our One President and his one administration.


It makes sense it is harder to turn the ship when it is 5x larger and more populated.

No it isn't because the governors are responsible for their state results, as is constantly being stated. In the UK we have four nations who are devolved regarding health and education matters and make their own decisions. Regarding the elderly care homes in the US, this article discusses it and states that 45% of deaths have been in US care homes. That would be almost 82k deaths out of the 183k reported so far. That is a large portion and is completely the fault of the governors IMO.

45% of COVID-19 Deaths in Nursing Homes & Assisted Living Facilities

I also made the point that the largest passenger carrying airport hubs are in the US and UK (6 out of 10) which has also contributed enormously to the spread.

USA - 5 airports in top 10
UK- 1 airport 6th in the world.

List of busiest airports by passenger traffic - Wikipedia

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Coronavirus: Weekly cases at highest level since end of May, figures show

The weekly number of coronavirus cases in England in late August was the highest since the end of May, according to government figures.

A total of 6,732 new cases were confirmed between 20 August and 26 August - an increase of 6% on the previous week, NHS Test and Trace data showed.

 

[weepingangel]

I was kind of stunned to see how many youth sports things have been happening locally -for the past few months (baseball/softball leagues etc )
I think there was at least one football? Camp thing that was linked to a small outbreak (In Massachusetts)But other than that haven’t really heard much about it (locally).
I’m uncomfortable just watching MLB games sometimes so I personally wouldn’t have mine participate in any game playing at this time. I think certain practices and drills can be done Safely (outdoors with precautions)

The US has a sports mentality, albeit kids or adults. Kids wrestling tournaments are being held in various places nationwide, and, even worse, parents are allowing their kids to participate. Maybe we shouldn't have been so harsh on Sturgis.
Find & Register for the Best Wrestling Tournaments, Camps, Events & Clinics

 

[Deleted member 158085]

This is not encouraging. While most items were safe after 1-4 days, this is not true when stacked. The study ended after 6 days so we don’t know how long the virus remains active on book covers and dvds when stacked.

The previous round, round 3 testing results, also had me concerned, especially regarding rigid plastic.

You can look at the results of rounds 1-4 by following the links.

REALM Project: Test 4 Results

 

[Simply Southern]

No, thanks anyway. Your links speak about the development of the vaccines, testing, financials, and some countries pledge to distribute.

I was more interested in reading about the kind of detail that Simply Southern has in the opinions in post #407.

Here's a good article that follows some of what I outlined. Working a job that involved working with FEMA, FDA, and other agencies, they all follow the same basic outline for any mass project.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...es-city-draft-coronavirus-distribution-plans/

 

[MrX]

State officials want to pay counties $50K to enforce social distancing complaints

Seems that my prediction was correct - having enforcement based on the community at large turning in their friends and neighbors was doomed to failure. What did they think was going to happen when John Q. Public can call a number, or go to a web site, and "report" every time he sees someone else having fun?

I suspect that things will settle into a routine where places with high visibility - Scottsdale, Tempe, downtown Phoenix, college bars in Tucson and Flagstaff, etc., will get frequent visits from the State's available resources, while the "complaint" line will go mostly ignored.

 

[dotr]

It is my humble opinion that sending kids back to physical schools is close to insane. Many places are limiting adult gatherings, bars are closed, restaurants closed, no events - all this, then, well, never mind, let's just open the schools.

Canaries in a coal mine, imo.
Shorenstein Center

 

[mickey2942]

Canaries in a coal mine, imo.
Shorenstein Center

Not buying this theory. People have the onus to make health decisions based on their own, independent research. If they don't do their own research, that is not "systemic racism".

 

[I'm Just Here]

I mentioned I would post an update of my sisters test results from Tuesday. She was exposed to a resident and a few co workers at a Senior care home. She has been feeling several symptoms, no fever. Thankfully her test was negative today. Seems her masks, gloves etc.. kept her safe! Stay healthy everyone.

 

[tresir2012]

Regarding Nancy Pelosi's unauthorised and maskless salon visit here is a Fox News interview with the salon owner. The Leader of the House is accusing the salon owner of setting her up and it is being dubbed Salongate. We'll see what she says in response.

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[tresir2012]

Fox news interview with Governor Cuomo and Donald Trump Jr discussing Federal funds and NY coronavirus response.

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[10ofRods]

The US developed an overall plan from the beginning. The notification to states will start the fine detail process. Sure states will be required to collect, identify certain populations of people by city and location. Locals will need to secure medical personnel, buildings to be used, etc. At least one if not more of the vaccines must be kept at an extremely low temperature, requiring refrigeration or freezing for stability and effectiveness. Not sure this will initially be a vaccine we can get at a physician office or clinic.

The states have alot of work to prepare, cities, long term care facilities, as well. I'm sure we will face challenges, we will be the first free world nation to administer a vaccine. I read initial phase have 30-70 million doses.

Moo...

I am not as optimistic as you are. Some states will be prepared to roll this out, others will not. We do not have local plans yet, so we shall see. I'm pretty sure the Feds will set the overall agenda for who gets a vaccine.

And I seriously doubt we'll be the first nation to successfully roll out the vaccines. I think UK will likely beat us to it, judging by how the Feds here have handled every other aspect of this pandemic (slooowly). Australia will beat us to it, as well.

Now, will the US make some of its citizens (military) take a vaccine that has emergency authorization from the FDA? Yes. Will the US make that vaccine available to police? Probably (given that CoVid is now the leading cause of death for policemen in the US). Will ordinary citizens buy into the vaccine and go get it?

That's where the rubber hits the road. Not a single plan in place on how to convince over 300 million people to get a vaccine, with polls stating that from 40-50% of Americans will not take the vaccine right away.

A plan involves actually getting the vaccine into the bodies of the public. I'm not seeing that. We have had no overall plan for public education, period, full stop. Not a single national PSA that I've seen. Not even reliable information. There's so little faith in the CDC that the number of people willing to get the vaccine seems to be going in the wrong direction.

I was eager to get the vaccine early on, but now I want to know precisely which vaccines are available and make my decisions in conjunction with expert scrutiny. There are some really interesting monoclonal antibody vaccines out there - and the cross-reactivity issue is real. None of this has been carefully studied or planned for at the federal level - and the possibility of the roll-out of the vaccine being highly politicized seems ongoing to me.

 

[oviedo]

5 months after I was ill (mild case in terms of how it would be described) and I spent two days last week suffering fatigue again. I thought it was behind me.

There's an article in the bbc today which unfortunately I cant link due to my ipad being glitchy, but it's an account from someone suffering terrible long term effects.

So much is as yet unknown, which is what worries me about the longterm situation.

This too is what scares me the most - we just don't know the long term effects - and we won't know really for years. I'm still limiting myself to work/grocery - and the masks are mandatory here. I hope you feel better soon @HongKongPhooey and that after effect treatment is being researched as well as the vaccine.
JMO

 

[dotr]

Not buying this theory. People have the onus to make health decisions based on their own, independent research. If they don't do their own research, that is not "systemic racism".

Oh goodness, could not understand what you meant by "systemic racism" i was like huh, was only posting a google image gif to show a canary in a coal mine, did not even read or notice the link with the off topic article, lesson learned!
Anyway, the canary in a coal mine image i posted, was intended to represent all the children in classrooms, and how if they fare well, it will bode well for everyone! imo.

Philip Elmer‑DeWitt

 

[10ofRods]

I was just watching The Today Show and Dwayne Johnson, also known as The Rock, was saying that he had a message because he got coronavirus from his close family and friends. He said to everyone if you are going to have family or friends over, make sure they get tested the day before they come to your house.

Hello! Hello! Normal people can't get tested and get the results within 12 hours.

It's becoming more common, though. HI has a commitment to fast testing and here in California, we're seeing faster returns than we did a month ago. Supposedly, in my county, test results are given within 24 hours - I only know a handful of people who have been tested in the last couple of weeks, but they got their results by the next morning after they gave a swab in the afternoon.

I know some people in the US are still reporting that they have to have a doctor's order to get the test - or that they're being charged for it. But here where I live, it's all free, there are multiple testing sites, the weekend one at the college gets results to people within 24 hours (and has been doing that all along). One does not need to have symptoms to get tested here and there are whole blocks of time during the day where there's basically no line.

HI has closed down a segment of freeway, IIRC, to make testing from cars quicker and more easily available. Keep in mind that HI has a small population. Only 1.5 million people. As an island that has had many diseases from off-island sweep through it over the last century, people are keen to get CoVid under control.

Anyway, "normal people" where I live in CA and where my family lives in HI can get fairly rapid test results. Dwayne's comments are probably based on that. I believe he lives on Oahu - but I could be wrong about that. He may be in CA for all I know.

Friends in Massachusetts and New York also report rapid test results - but they live in big cities, might be different outside of Boston or Manhattan.

A 12 hour return of results would be great, but if people got tested in the morning the day before an event, they'd have 24 hours for the results.

 

[tresir2012]

I am not as optimistic as you are. Some states will be prepared to roll this out, others will not. We do not have local plans yet, so we shall see. I'm pretty sure the Feds will set the overall agenda for who gets a vaccine.

And I seriously doubt we'll be the first nation to successfully roll out the vaccines. I think UK will likely beat us to it, judging by how the Feds here have handled every other aspect of this pandemic (slooowly). Australia will beat us to it, as well.

Now, will the US make some of its citizens (military) take a vaccine that has emergency authorization from the FDA? Yes. Will the US make that vaccine available to police? Probably (given that CoVid is now the leading cause of death for policemen in the US). Will ordinary citizens buy into the vaccine and go get it?

That's where the rubber hits the road. Not a single plan in place on how to convince over 300 million people to get a vaccine, with polls stating that from 40-50% of Americans will not take the vaccine right away.

A plan involves actually getting the vaccine into the bodies of the public. I'm not seeing that. We have had no overall plan for public education, period, full stop. Not a single national PSA that I've seen. Not even reliable information. There's so little faith in the CDC that the number of people willing to get the vaccine seems to be going in the wrong direction.

I was eager to get the vaccine early on, but now I want to know precisely which vaccines are available and make my decisions in conjunction with expert scrutiny. There are some really interesting monoclonal antibody vaccines out there - and the cross-reactivity issue is real. None of this has been carefully studied or planned for at the federal level - and the possibility of the roll-out of the vaccine being highly politicized seems ongoing to me.

I don't think Australia will beat US because they have to manufacture their vaccine under licence so it will be at least two months after the trials are finished for them whereas US are planning to issue an EUA for it as soon as they are satisfied it is safe. The first US person has already been vaccinated under Phase III.

Have you reviewed the CDC consultation document posted upthread?

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Coronavirus: Portugal and parts of Greece added to Wales quarantine list but no change for travellers to England

Travellers from mainland Portugal and parts of Greece will have to isolate when arriving in Wales but not England.

The two nations made different decisions at the weekly point when their quarantine lists are normally updated.