Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #79

[Cool Cats]

Sorry if this was already covered, but I see Florida seems to be at the forefront of a return to normalcy: Florida reopens: DeSantis lifts state’s coronavirus restrictions

Normalcy?

From the link:

"Florida continues to have a relatively high death and positivity rates compared with the rest of the country."

 

[10ofRods]

In their own homes. Jmo

The house party rule, which is used so effectively outside the US, really does go against many ideas most Americans have about the sanctity of their own homes against government intrusion. Of course, certain groups of people have had to withstand a great deal of intrusion into their domestic lives, and not for any over-arching social reason.

This is similar to my neighbor deciding to dig a cess pit under his bathroom, to avoid replacing the sewer pipe. It starts to affect others.

Even in that situation, there would be civil measures and injunctions first.

The state needs to follow the same rules for house parties (if the locale abolishes them). The party giver should have their day in court (and depending on local rules, either face civil or criminal penalties).

There are plenty of things people can't do that don't harm others but are illegal...and for which we face criminal penalties. But I do think it's a new experience for a certain segment of America.

 

[10ofRods]

Sorry if this was already covered, but I see Florida seems to be at the forefront of a return to normalcy: Florida reopens: DeSantis lifts state’s coronavirus restrictions

Normalcy? With one of the highest rates of CoVid in the nation? You mean they've decided to face into the blasting winds of CoVid and shoulder through - that's not "normal." It can't be normal - especially for front line workers, until CV is gone.

Florida has over 400,000 active cases, many of them supposedly "self-quarantining," but the lifting of restrictions will cause everyone to mill about again - which is clearly what DeSantis wants.

Over half of his voters disagree with him, so it'll be interesting to see what happens next.

 

[ilovewings]

Sorry if this was already covered, but I see Florida seems to be at the forefront of a return to normalcy: Florida reopens: DeSantis lifts state’s coronavirus restrictions

Gee i wonder what happens next!!!!

 

[Trino]

The point being that potentially spreading a deadly virus in your own home is another thing that could cause great harm - along with the several other things I mentioned.

IMO

This Maryland guy just went to jail for the same thing.

A Maryland man has been sentenced to one year in jail after he hosted two parties against the governor's COVID-19 large gathering orders, prosecutors said.
Man gets 1 year in jail for holding large parties against COVID-19 rules

 

[SouthAussie]

Does Florida even have the available hospital capacity to go wide open at the moment?

Surely, if they are going to take such a risky step they need to have all resources ready and available for any uptick in hospital cases?

I notice that Orange County FL and Osceloa County FL have less than 25% and 38% open hospital bed capacity, respectively, at the moment. This, of course, is where Disney World is.

Orange County FL
Osceola County FL

 

[SouthAussie]

This Maryland guy just went to jail for the same thing.

A Maryland man has been sentenced to one year in jail after he hosted two parties against the governor's COVID-19 large gathering orders, prosecutors said.
Man gets 1 year in jail for holding large parties against COVID-19 rules

Yep, LA's Bryce Hall and Blake Gray, TikTok 'stars', were charged and face jail time for the same thing.

TikTok's Bryce Hall and Blake Gray Charged for Throwing Party amid COVID-19, Could Face Jail Time

 

[weepingangel]

Is this still relevant?
Rt COVID-19
I haven’t been checking daily
Seems like for a while there it was mostly green.

Behind a paywall sorry. Clear your cookies
Brigham and Women’s COVID-19 cluster illustrates challenges in controlling infection - The Boston Globe
Experts say leadership, vigilance, and culture change are needed, along with more space to gather and eat at safe distances
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Another aspect of human nature that bedevils infection control efforts is a phenomenon known as “drift,” Salvador said. As people avoid infections by adhering to safe practices, they can lose sight of the true risk. Slight deviations from infection-control protocols become normal, like driving 72 miles per hour in a 65-mile-per-hour zone. “I drove 72 and I didn’t crash. Now I’m going to drive 90,” Salvador said.
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By July, the COVID-19 surge in Massachusetts had eased; hospitals were no longer packed with COVID-19 patients. “People had gotten a little more comfortable that things were going well,” Salvador said. “There had been a laxity in some of the infection control practices,” particularly in wearing of face masks and social distancing.
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“The hospital is a really safe place to be, especially compared to many places people are going,” said Dr. Shira I. Doron, an infectious disease physician and hospital epidemiologist at Tufts Medical Center. The number of outbreaks is small considering the "millions and millions of hospital admissions during the course of the pandemic.

More at link
Re Hospital culture, testing issues (what???), human nature, leadership and vigilance, etc

 

[LadyL]

Coronavirus: Ottawa to ease border restrictions for compassionate visits by foreign nationals

 

[Sundog]

Coronavirus: Ottawa to ease border restrictions for compassionate visits by foreign nationals

The details of what this family went through is beyond heartbreaking. The Canadian government failed this family, and who knows how many others. Very sad and tragic.

 

[BeckyF]

My granddaughter who is 27 tested positive just yesterday. She has a 7 year old and 4 year old. She was having trouble breathing. She was told to stay home for now.

 

[ilovewings]

My granddaughter who is 27 tested positive just yesterday. She has a 7 year old and 4 year old. She was having trouble breathing. She was told to stay home for now.

does she know how she conracted the virus?

 

[musicaljoke]

Normalcy? With one of the highest rates of CoVid in the nation? You mean they've decided to face into the blasting winds of CoVid and shoulder through - that's not "normal." It can't be normal - especially for front line workers, until CV is gone.

Florida has over 400,000 active cases, many of them supposedly "self-quarantining," but the lifting of restrictions will cause everyone to mill about again - which is clearly what DeSantis wants.

Over half of his voters disagree with him, so it'll be interesting to see what happens next.

I wonder if this decision was made in order to fool the snowbirds into coming back to Florida for the winter. Snowbirds inject a huge amount of money into the economy. There is much discussion among the local snowbirds that they will try to sell their Florida homes. If houses flood the market, that will bring the housing proces down, which could be a problem for those who have mortgages.

 

[BeckyF]

does she know how she conracted the virus?

She works the front desk at a hotel on Mackinac Island. She has been exposed to many people so it’s hard to say.

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder if this decision was made in order to fool the snowbirds into coming back to Florida for the winter. Snowbirds inject a huge amount of money into the economy. There is much discussion among the local snowbirds that they will try to sell their Florida homes. If houses flood the market, that will bring the housing proces down, which could be a problem for those who have mortgages.

Yes, it is all about the economy. And with winter on its way, the snowbirds are invited to contribute in their usual way. IMO


“The fact that you continue to move forward with the economy, it doesn’t mean that the virus disappears,” DeSantis said. But imposing lockdowns “where society flounders people are out of work, kids aren’t in school - that is not going to work. And that’s not the way forward for us.”

“Some of the top economists across the country have told Governor DeSantis in no uncertain terms that the economy will not recover until he gets the virus under control,” said Sydney Riess, public health fellow with Florida chapter of the Public Interest Research Group, a national consumer interest and advocacy group. “Yet, the governor is preventing potentially life-saving restrictions while COVID-19 cases are still well above the levels that health professionals deem safe for reopening.”
Florida reopens: DeSantis lifts state’s coronavirus restrictions

 

[Lilibet]

That's probably how word did spread initially. Rural churches love their prayer chains.

I just felt like an official statement should have been made by the church as an act of civic (not to mention Christian!) responsibility. Just the right thing to do, you know?

BBM

Yes, an official statement about the Covid cases is kind of a “Golden Rule” and “love your neighbor” thing to do.
JMO

 

[Lilibet]

My granddaughter who is 27 tested positive just yesterday. She has a 7 year old and 4 year old. She was having trouble breathing. She was told to stay home for now.

I’m so sorry @BeckyF. Please make sure she is pushy about getting help. Does she have an oximeter to keep track of her oxygen level? Keep us posted!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I wonder if this decision was made in order to fool the snowbirds into coming back to Florida for the winter. Snowbirds inject a huge amount of money into the economy. There is much discussion among the local snowbirds that they will try to sell their Florida homes. If houses flood the market, that will bring the housing proces down, which could be a problem for those who have mortgages.

If housing prices go down in Florida that may entice Californians to move there. JMO

Frustrated Californians move out, say coronavirus 'pandemic was last straw'

The complaints about California and talk of an exodus from it, are not new. COVID-19, and its effect on commerce, have created a perfect storm to bring them to the fore, at least for those among who already had inclinations.

Frustrated Californians move out, say coronavirus 'pandemic was last straw'

 

[MsArk]

Thanks for the info. So no chance of getting the antigen test from your doc on the NHS?

The vaccine should be available soon hopefully in a month or so.

Do you really think a vaccine will be available in a month? Especially to regular folks like us? I think you are being wayyy to optimistic.

 

[SouthAussie]

Big day for Melbourne. Curfew gets lifted tomorrow.

“I’m not only proud of the Victorian community, I am deeply grateful for the amazing work, the sacrifice, the pain ......."

• 127,000 workers can return to various industries, including supermarket, food distribution, food processing, manufacturing and some solo outdoor employees, will return to work – about 30,000 more than initially planned.
• Primary school students return to schools in the week beginning 12 October. (We are just going into 2 weeks of typical school holidays this week.)
• Childcare centres can open for all children, and visitors will be allowed in healthcare facilities and hospitals – one visitor per patient per day for a maximum of two hours for most patients. For those under 18, two parents or carers can visit with no time limit.
• Public gatherings of people from one household, or a limit of five people from no more than two households, will be allowed. This also applies to faith-based activities and weddings held outdoors.
• Hiking, fishing and other exercises that don’t involve visiting a facility will be allowed for a maximum of two hours, within 5km of home.

Melbourne Covid curfew ends and restrictions ease, but Victoria introduces huge new fines