Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #79

[Trino]

And right after will be the Houston Rodeo.
Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo > 2021

Attendance

And Houston is one of the highest concentrations of coronavirus. Good luck to 2021, Texas.

 

[tresir2012]

If you check online the companies and progress, it appears to be late in 2021.

Perhaps you have a link for that otherwise I will go with the links I have posted. Dr. Fauci has been ok'd by mods as a highly reputable source. Any reason you don't agree with him?

The Olympics are planning to go ahead in 2021 also. I'll find the link I read today. The torch has begun it's journey. From Greece to Japan.

Olympics will proceed in 2021 'as proof of pandemic's defeat', says Japan's PM

 

[Trino]

Perhaps you have a link for that otherwise I will go with the links I have posted. Dr. Fauci has been ok'd by mods as a highly reputable source. Any reason you don't agree with him?

Available does not mean the general public will get it.

Despite the president’s repeated claims that a vaccine will be available in October, scientists, companies and federal officials all say that most people won’t get one until well into next year.
Testing and producing a vaccine is a complex process with a lot of uncertainties. But the best guess for now, experts say, is this: If every aspect of the vaccines’ development and distribution goes exactly as planned — and history has shown that rarely happens — certain people in high-risk groups could get vaccinated this year. Most other Americans, however, will quite likely have to wait until well into next year.

When Will You Be Able to Get a Coronavirus Vaccine?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

States already have individual threads. Anyone can post in those as well. Care homes have been a global issue. Jmo

But they are apples and oranges (read first article i posted). The comparisons become misinformation.
Best in a dedicated better thought out research-rich thread, in my mind. Would be valuable too.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

This is some good news regarding younger school age children in Florida.... Florida does have an advantage of having many or most high schools set in an "outside corridor" style of architecture. College students cases are still surging, but school age doing pretty well!!

Florida schools reopened en masse. Feared COVID surge hasn't followed.

 

[Trino]

Perhaps you have a link for that otherwise I will go with the links I have posted. Dr. Fauci has been ok'd by mods as a highly reputable source. Any reason you don't agree with him?

The Olympics are planning to go ahead in 2021 also. I'll find the link I read today. The torch has begun it's journey. From Greece to Japan.

Olympics will proceed in 2021 'as proof of pandemic's defeat', says Japan's PM

Well, the Tour de France went on as scheduled (just finished) and the Giro d'Italia is scheduled in early October. Doesn't mean we the pandemic is over.

 

[tresir2012]

But they are apples and oranges (read first article i posted). The comparisons become misinformation.
Best in a dedicated better thought out research-rich thread, in my mind. Would be valuable too.

I think the hundreds of thousands dead in care homes deserve to stay on the main thread for discussion. Why do you not want to discuss it? The elderly have made up the majority of the deaths.

 

[tresir2012]

Well, the Tour de France went on as scheduled (just finished) and the Giro d'Italia is scheduled in early October. Doesn't mean we the pandemic is over.

If you want to think it will still be with us through next year that is fine. For myself, everything I have read is pointing to certain priorities/categories getting it this year. I have posted UK government links confirming this aim and getting prepared for it. Whether it goes to plan, we won't know till it happens.

 

[10ofRods]

Well, the Tour de France went on as scheduled (just finished) and the Giro d'Italia is scheduled in early October. Doesn't mean we the pandemic is over.

And France is now back up to where it has as many daily cases, more or less, as it did at the peak of its pandemic. It lost all its ground (and TdF may have played a role, we don't know and may never know).

At any rate, France is going into modified lockdowns and will probably have to get very strict - with 13,000+ new cases per day (in a place only 50% bigger in terms of population than California - which has only about 2500 cases per day in the past week).

The French are *not* happy about this. Apparently, the vast majority of people, even in highly literate societies, thought that CoVid was 'over' when the first set of measures were eased.

It's not over. It won't be over until at least 60% of the global population is vaccinated.

Demographics of who is getting COVId in France is, of course, younger people at least time - so mortality won't be an issue, but longterm illness will be a problem.

 

[10ofRods]

Scotland begins a public campaign aimed at younger people and preventing CV.

It's somewhat dramatic. I hope it's effective.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

The Guardian has an article about this too. It is being debated in the Parliament.

Australians stranded overseas willing to wear ankle bracelets while quarantining to return home

Paraphrasing - some of the stranded Aussies are going to give evidence to the Senate to lift the cap and many are willing to wear ankle bracelets to quarantine. One guy has set up a website ( link is in the article ) for use by them and to register their locations worldwide. There are reported to be 26,000.

I think they should let them back asap. The website owner has been stranded for six months while his wife is on her own in Australia. Why can he not return and quarantine at his home as well as the others. There is plenty of room on the flights. I don't get it. MOO.

DBM. Criticising a nation's policies.

 

[tresir2012]

Data shows 70% of Contra Costa’s COVID-19 deaths from nursing homes


California

70% of deaths in Contra Costa county were in nursing homes as of July.

From the link

Data shows 70% of Contra Costa’s COVID-19 deaths from nursing homesWalnut Creek, Concord outbreaks infected over 200 of facilities’ patients, staff.....


San Mateo County’s data shows a rate almost as high as Contra Costa’s. In San Mateo County, 78 of the 114 people who have died from COVID-19 were associated with long-term care facilities — roughly 68% In that county, an outbreak at Millbrae Skilled Care resulted in the death of 17 patients and at least one health care worker, according to the state’s information portal. The facility saw 103 patients, and 32 staff members become infected.

In Santa Clara County, 81 of the 181 COVID-19 deaths have been traced to long-term care facilities, or about 45%. That’s the same percentage as in Alameda County, where nursing facilities accounted for 77 of 173 COVID-19 deaths.

More at link.

 

[tresir2012]

Available does not mean the general public will get it.

Despite the president’s repeated claims that a vaccine will be available in October, scientists, companies and federal officials all say that most people won’t get one until well into next year.
Testing and producing a vaccine is a complex process with a lot of uncertainties. But the best guess for now, experts say, is this: If every aspect of the vaccines’ development and distribution goes exactly as planned — and history has shown that rarely happens — certain people in high-risk groups could get vaccinated this year. Most other Americans, however, will quite likely have to wait until well into next year.

When Will You Be Able to Get a Coronavirus Vaccine?

I have posted a lot of links and updates on the vaccine thread so I don't know if you have seen them but here is just a sample re the UK.


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30 Aug 2020 · Coronavirus vaccine in UK in SIX WEEKS: Best scenario now mid-October as testing ramped up. A VACCINE for ...

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Brits could get coronavirus vaccine as early as October – with dentists ...
28 Aug 2020 · UK regulators will be able to grant permission for the vaccine to be used before it is officially licensed by the EU ...

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When will a Covid-19 vaccine be ready in the UK? Latest updates ...
At a press conference on Monday, September 21, the Chief Scientific Officer for England, Sir Patrick Vallance, said "good progress ...

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UK to give emergency approval to any Covid vaccine breakthrough
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28 Aug 2020 · The measures could come into force by October. Covid vaccine tracker: when will a coronavirus vaccine be ready ...

 

[MimosaMornings]

Available does not mean the general public will get it.

Despite the president’s repeated claims that a vaccine will be available in October, scientists, companies and federal officials all say that most people won’t get one until well into next year.
Testing and producing a vaccine is a complex process with a lot of uncertainties. But the best guess for now, experts say, is this: If every aspect of the vaccines’ development and distribution goes exactly as planned — and history has shown that rarely happens — certain people in high-risk groups could get vaccinated this year. Most other Americans, however, will quite likely have to wait until well into next year.

When Will You Be Able to Get a Coronavirus Vaccine?

After hearing for months that “everyone” can easily get a Covid test and how difficult it was for me and other family members to get it - I personally believe that the general public in the US will not see a widespread “for all” vaccine roll out until at the earliest Spring of 2021.
JMO

 

[10ofRods]

Data shows 70% of Contra Costa’s COVID-19 deaths from nursing homes

70% of deaths in Contra Costa county were in nursing homes as of July.

From the link

Data shows 70% of Contra Costa’s COVID-19 deaths from nursing homesWalnut Creek, Concord outbreaks infected over 200 of facilities’ patients, staff

Yes, and after those outbreaks, Contra Costa took CoVid very seriously.

These were not all deaths of patients, either. Some are employees.

You can see a dramatic difference between Contra Costa County's 70% rate and California's overall nursing home death rate of 46%.

While it may look like Contra Costa's death rate was high, in fact, they have had only 206 total deaths out of just over 1 million people (1.1 million). So approximately 185 deaths per million, as compared to the 650+ per million of the nation as a whole - or of UK as a whole or the 486 per million in France.

So, Contra Costa did well for a largely urban area with lots of public transport - because fortunately, they confined it to mostly nursing homes.

Context is everything here. A county that has a strong and rapid to response to CoVId (as near Seattle and in Contra Costa) can bring death rates way down through social distancing and mask wearing - thereby making nursing/care home deaths a larger percentage of the whole.

 

[Sundog]

I think the hundreds of thousands dead in care homes deserve to stay on the main thread for discussion. Why do you not want to discuss it? The elderly have made up the majority of the deaths.

Most of our states are reporting on both figures for deaths - total deaths and also deaths in long term care homes, so it is clearly a subject for the main thread. Also, all of us here have an interest in tracking this as a social justice issue in COVID, when we talk about the social determinants of health. The elderly are definitely the most disadvantaged group, so glad that you are advocating for them here!

 

[MrX]

After hearing for months that “everyone” can easily get a Covid test and how difficult it was for me and other family members to get it - I personally believe that the general public in the US will not see a widespread “for all” vaccine roll out until at the earliest Spring of 2021.
JMO

After the difficulty in getting tests in AZ, the population seemed to take the attitude that if this was such an extreme health crisis, then there certainly wouldn't be roadblocks to getting tested. Once testing did become widely available, the Governor almost had to beg people to get tested, because the testing stations had no customers. I suspect that when, or if, a vaccine is available there will be very few takers. Not because of concerns over safety, but because the whole thing will have become background noise.

 

[CSIDreamer]

After hearing for months that “everyone” can easily get a Covid test and how difficult it was for me and other family members to get it - I personally believe that the general public in the US will not see a widespread “for all” vaccine roll out until at the earliest Spring of 2021.
JMO

I think that must be state to state. We can get one if we want. Jmo

 

[tresir2012]

Yes, and after those outbreaks, Contra Costa took CoVid very seriously.

These were not all deaths of patients, either. Some are employees.

You can see a dramatic difference between Contra Costa County's 70% rate and California's overall nursing home death rate of 46%.

While it may look like Contra Costa's death rate was high, in fact, they have had only 206 total deaths out of just over 1 million people (1.1 million). So approximately 185 deaths per million, as compared to the 650+ per million of the nation as a whole - or of UK as a whole or the 486 per million in France.

So, Contra Costa did well for a largely urban area with lots of public transport - because fortunately, they confined it to mostly nursing homes.

Context is everything here. A county that has a strong and rapid to response to CoVId (as near Seattle and in Contra Costa) can bring death rates way down through social distancing and mask wearing - thereby making nursing/care home deaths a larger percentage of the whole.

I dont call 46% of 14k deaths "doing well."

 

[tresir2012]

Most of our states are reporting on both figures for deaths - total deaths and also deaths in long term care homes, so it is clearly a subject for the main thread. Also, all of us here have an interest in tracking this as a social justice issue in COVID, when we talk about the social determinants of health. The elderly are definitely the most disadvantaged group, so glad that you are advocating for them here!

TY. I think we must remember it. Nothing was done and it has been repeated over and over again. No states or countries have learnt or prevented it. Some have done better than others but that is all.