Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #80

[SouthAussie]

The presentation of the article, in my opinion, was meant to be sensational. "Super-healthy 19-year-old college athlete..." We only have the Mother's quote, as to what the Doctors said, but the implication is that it was something quite rare.

I'm making it more of a point to look into stories that sound fantastic, on the surface, and remain frustrated at how much is either published as click-bait, or is just cut-and-paste laziness. My local news is a daily reminder - they update that day's numbers, but the rest of the daily "breaking news" all word-for-word boilerplate.

I dunno ... I personally see every single death as important and worth a mention, and an alert to younger people. And there is something to learn from each death. In this case, the how and why this young and healthy person died from covid.

Chad (19) died this month ... when our treatments for this virus are getting better and more effective.
Chad was also taking online classes, perhaps to minimise his personal exposure.

Juan Garcia (21), also mentioned in the article, died in July from a blood clot caused by his covid infection.

Appalachian State tells students to 'remain vigilant' after student dies from coronavirus complications

 

[Cool Cats]

OH NO!

Can someone please bring over some snippets? I’m having trouble viewing the article, tia.

Here are "snippets" and other links:

Mike Pence reportedly overruled the CDC on extending a cruise ship ban to 2021, Axios reported.

On Tuesday, Pence and CDC director Robert Redfield met in the White House Situation Room to discuss the state of the withered cruise industry, two White House coronavirus task force sources told the news outlet.

The CDC first imposed a 30-day "no-sail order" on cruise ships on March 14, 2020, which was extended on July 16.

The ban expired on Wednesday, September 30, with Redfield asking to extend the order until February 2021, Axios said.

But Pence told Redfield that couldn't happen, the report said.

Later on Tuesday, USA Today reported that the ban had been extended, but only until October 31.

On May 8, a CDC official said that White House had chosen to ignore much of the agency's 17-page reopening plan for the country.
The Trump administration has also ignored and even criticized CDC advice on reopening schools. Kayleigh McEnany, the White House press secretary, said on July 16 that "science should not stand in the way of' schools reopening."

In an op-ed in published in The Washington Post on July 14, four former directors of the CDC wrote: "Trying to fight this pandemic while subverting scientific expertise is like fighting blindfolded."

 

[margarita25]

Vice President Mike Pence prevented the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from extending the ban on cruise-ship travel into 2021, Axios reported.

On Tuesday, Pence and CDC director Robert Redfield met in the White House Situation Room to discuss the state of the withered cruise industry, two White House coronavirus task force sources told the news outlet.

The CDC first imposed a 30-day "no-sail order" on cruise ships on March 14, 2020, which was extended on July 16.

The ban expired on Wednesday, September 30, with Redfield asking to extend the order until February 2021, Axios said.

But Pence told Redfield that couldn't happen, the report said.

Later on Tuesday, USA Today reported that the ban had been extended, but only until October 31.

In early April — following a CDC notice advising people to wear face coverings — Trump told reporters: "I don't think I'm going to be doing it."

A week later, The New York Times reported that Dr. Anthony Fauci, the US' top infectious-disease expert, had advised the White House to enforce social-distancing measures since February, but that his advice was ignored.

Fauci later confirmed the Times report. Social-distancing guidelines were finally issued by the US government on March 16.

On May 8, a CDC official said that White House had chosen to ignore much of the agency's 17-page reopening plan for the country.
The Trump administration has also ignored and even criticized CDC advice on reopening schools. Kayleigh McEnany, the White House press secretary, said on July 16 that "science should not stand in the way of' schools reopening."

In an op-ed in published in The Washington Post on July 14, four former directors of the CDC wrote: "Trying to fight this pandemic while subverting scientific expertise is like fighting blindfolded."

And on July 20, at least 1,200 members of the US National Academy of Sciences signed a letter that slammed Trump's "denigration of scientific expertise."

Earlier this month Politico reported, citing leaked emails, that Trump political appointee Dr. Paul Alexander accused career scientists of trying to undermine the president's campaign to reopen schools.

The New York Times also reported that a controversial guideline published by the CDC in August — which said that those exposed to the novel coronavirus but did not show symptoms should not seek a test — was in fact written that by Trump officials and published despite scientists' objetions. The CDC has since retracted that advice.

Thank you, Cool Cats.

I’m recalling the first cruise ship trying to port in Italy, waaay back in the early days, and the Mayor running along the pier, trying to not allow it to arrive/disembark (something like that).

Surely no country is going to let US passengers disembark?

(eta: @JerseyGirl , @dixiegirl1035 look at this! )

Are all the people even off the ships that have been stranded at sea for months?

 

[tresir2012]

How would the doctors know that? Are they epidemiologists with access to the entire world's data?

I think not. I sure would like to know their thinking process though. If he's the only healthy 19 year old in America who has died, we could even say he is 1 in 300,000,000.

Or, if there are 10,000,000 19 year olds (possible), and only 1 has died - then I guess that's what they mean. Maybe they mean there are 10,000,000 19 year old males (we know more males are dying).

However, the word "rarest" can't be applied unless we know that at least 2 who are 12 years old have died (do we know that? We know there's one - see my post above).

It's certainly rare. But so is the murder of a 19 year old - and we at WS consider it important anyway.

At any rate, there have been (not including deaths from the past month) 121 people under 21 who have died of CoVid in the US.

SARS-CoV-2–Associated Deaths Among Persons Aged 21 Years ...

So yeah - that's rare, but those Jerry's kids diseases are way more rare...

Are there 10 million cases in US? Maybe that's what they mean. 1 in 10 million.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thank you, Cool Cats.

I’m recalling the first cruise ship trying to port in Italy, waaay back in the early days, and the Mayor running along the pier, trying to not allow it to arrive/disembark (something like that).

Surely no country is going to let US passengers disembark?

(eta: @JerseyGirl , @dixiegirl1035 look at this! )

Are all the people even off the ships that have been stranded at sea for months?

I think we'll find, according to Cruise Law News, that lobbying by Florida is at least partially behind this restarting of the cruise ships during a pandemic.

...... Miami-Dade commissioners urged the CDC to allow cruises to resume during a a public meeting. Commissioners did not ask the executives any questions about safety or lessons learned during the pandemic.
Cruise Law News

.... Florida and cruise industry lobbyists have called for ending the no-sail order. “I urge the C.D.C. not to extend or renew the ‘No Sail Order,’” Carlos A. Gimenez, the mayor of Miami-Dade County, said in a statement on Saturday.
Cruise Law News

 

[musicaljoke]

Canada’s economy to take a hit from the second wave, economist says — and some sectors may never recover

This article has some interesting thoughts on how the pandemic has lead to some changes in our economy that may be permanent. Some sectors may never come come back to business as it once was, particularily retail and business office complexes. Some businesses, such as travel and hospitality won't recover until we have a well established vaccine program, which might not be until June 2021.

 

[musicaljoke]

I have never been able to understand these stories. If they really believe that an order issued on Friday, to increase capacity at bars and restaurants, is being reflected in resulted cases by Wednesday, then they should probably provide some serious proof. This type of thing, in my opinion, hurts our understanding of the virus. Anything that caused this rise in cases was something that happened weeks ago, but I guess it's always easier to just blame bars and restaurants.

Yes, especially if the Public Health doesn't have good contact tracing and reporting. Moreso, if the data also is being manipulated. Then the press is left to their own interpretation of what's going wrong, and you may be right, that they are just pumping out a worn out story without the facts. That's why it's absolutely vital that people have accurate, current, and trustworthy information.

But the article linked upthread is about Florida, is it not? What level of confidence do you have in the reliability of data coming out of Florida?

Jmo, but I would give it a 3/10. I believe we have good reason to raise an eyebrow when we read their CoVid stats. However, I do not believe that the data is actually rosier than what we are told. Do you?

 

[MrX]

Yes, especially if the Public Health doesn't have good contact tracing and reporting. Moreso, if the data also is being manipulated. Then the press is left to their own interpretation of what's going wrong, and you may be right, that they are just pumping out a worn out story without the facts. That's why it's absolutely vital that people have accurate, current, and trustworthy information.

But the article linked upthread is about Florida, is it not? What level of confidence do you have in the reliability of data coming out of Florida?

Jmo, but I would give it a 3/10. I believe we have good reason to raise an eyebrow when we read their CoVid stats. However, I do not believe that the data is actually rosier than what we are told. Do you?

What bothers me is that we've all been dealing with this for six months. Plenty of ink has been spent on incubation times, testing difficulties, delays in results, problems with data reporting, etc. Yet this story seems to want to draw a line from an Executive Order on Friday to 3000 extra cases on Wednesday. It was either lazy or had an agenda.

I read that AZ is one of the States currently experiencing a decline in cases. The only reason it looks like a decline is because of the antigen results that were added, in bulk, a week or two back. Results that are for cases months in the past. I think it's little things like this that cause some people to question the severity of the pandemic - if the people analyzing and presenting the data don't take it seriously, why should anyone else?

 

[musicaljoke]

Looks like US Cruise ships will be setting sail before the end of the year


Mike Pence reportedly overruled the CDC on extending a cruise ship ban to 2021, the latest example of the White House sidelining expert advice in the pandemic

Hmmm, it's going to be a bit difficult to find places that will allow then to dock.

 

[SouthAussie]

Canada’s economy to take a hit from the second wave, economist says — and some sectors may never recover

This article has some interesting thoughts on how the pandemic has lead to some changes in our economy that may be permanent. Some sectors may never come come back to business as it once was, particularily retail and business office complexes. Some businesses, such as travel and hospitality won't recover until we have a well established vaccine program, which might not be until June 2021.

Similarly, our next federal budget is being released today.

Some things we have been told so far is that there is going to be a huge injection into manufacturing. $1.5 billion over the next four years. Perhaps to reduce our dependency on other nations, and it was said on TV News this morning that this will create 300,000 jobs for Australians.

Another thing is that incentives are going to be provided to assist farmers with help in harvesting crops, to keep that industry thriving.

Nothing I have yet heard to help retail/other business.

Scott Morrison was on Sydney radio 2GB ....... talking about the $1.5bn manufacturing plan his government is planning (over the forwards), as part of the covid recovery.
‘We make things in this country’ is the attached line which goes with the plan.
Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria reports 15 new cases and two deaths as Queensland expands NSW border bubble

https://www.9news.com.au/videos/nat...et-pickers-to-farms/ckfp5zk9c002w0ho71c5oldsm

 

[musicaljoke]

Whistleblower on USA CoVid Taskforce says he was told to fudge data on CoVid deaths.

OMG, from your link:

A grandson of former Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy told The New Yorker that he was the whistleblower that sounded the alarm.

[...]

Kennedy, who was surrounded by other 20-something volunteers from various fields with no experience in procuring medical supplies ...

"We were the team," he told Mayer. "We were the entire frontline team for the federal government."

The team was tasked with procuring much-needed supplies while equipped with only their personal laptops and private email accounts.

 

[tresir2012]

Here are "snippets" and other links:

Mike Pence reportedly overruled the CDC on extending a cruise ship ban to 2021, Axios reported.

On Tuesday, Pence and CDC director Robert Redfield met in the White House Situation Room to discuss the state of the withered cruise industry, two White House coronavirus task force sources told the news outlet.

The CDC first imposed a 30-day "no-sail order" on cruise ships on March 14, 2020, which was extended on July 16.

The ban expired on Wednesday, September 30, with Redfield asking to extend the order until February 2021, Axios said.

But Pence told Redfield that couldn't happen, the report said.

Later on Tuesday, USA Today reported that the ban had been extended, but only until October 31.

On May 8, a CDC official said that White House had chosen to ignore much of the agency's 17-page reopening plan for the country.
The Trump administration has also ignored and even criticized CDC advice on reopening schools. Kayleigh McEnany, the White House press secretary, said on July 16 that "science should not stand in the way of' schools reopening."

In an op-ed in published in The Washington Post on July 14, four former directors of the CDC wrote: "Trying to fight this pandemic while subverting scientific expertise is like fighting blindfolded."

I don't think a ban is necessary now they have these fast tests available. This is what will happen in airports and with cruises IMO. They are even talking about getting tests done to gain entry at events and concerts and awaiting the result before entry/boarding is allowed. If they can do it for that then cruises should not be a problem IMO.

I am not at all fluent in Russian, but I have family there and they're all bilingual in English. The following article is, according to people I know on the ground, accurate.

I'm posting in order to combat the sometimes-repeated skepticism about Russia's data collection. They are great at data (and at medical tech, having perhaps the most PCR machines per capita in the world).

And their healthcare professionals are alerting the nation that it is indeed a crisis and they are about to run out of hospital beds.

‘We’re Out of Beds’: Russia’s Resurgent Coronavirus Outbreak Is Approaching First Peak - The Moscow Times

What do your family and contacts on the ground think about the Russian vaccine? Are they confident and will they be getting it soon, or even have had it already?

 

[SouthAussie]

<RSBM>..... if the people analyzing and presenting the data don't take it seriously, why should anyone else?

Because people need to take some/a lot of responsibility for the health of themselves, their families, their coworkers, their fellow students.

It is blatantly obvious that this pandemic is killing people all over the world. Without considering any data from the US, it is quite clear that there are massive outbreaks and deaths everywhere. Common sense says that the US is not excluded from that.

IMO

 

[musicaljoke]

‘It’s going to be on them’: Florida businesses have to adapt to no state COVID rules

Wed, September 30, 2020, 11:12 AM EDT

Amanda Cachaldora and her family were sitting at a corner booth inside a Flanigan’s restaurant in Hialeah Saturday afternoon when they noticed the indoor dining space started to fill up fast.

Uncomfortable, Cachaldora watched as more and more customers were seated at tables that minutes earlier had been blocked off with a “reserved” sign to keep people at a distance because of the coronavirus.

The family decided to move outside, and requested to speak to a manager.

“I said, ‘I’m sorry, but what’s happening here?’ ” Cachaldora recalled. “He told me DeSantis said there were no more restrictions and that they could seat people wherever they wanted. He was very brusque about it.”

A lack of clear direction

The governor’s order means state officials will no longer enforce social-distancing violations at businesses, or threaten to revoke liquor licenses for violating those rules like the state did this summer. Beshears said enforcing capacity levels and guidelines now falls on local government and business owners.

“It’s going to be on them, the state is getting out of the way,” he said, while admitting he is concerned about businesses who fail to operate in a safe way. Beshears is encouraging businesses to be “smart” and operate safely.

Health experts say the state’s lifting regulations on businesses creates a vacuum of leadership at a dangerous time.

Does this make it better for business owners? I think not! Now the buck stops with them and without clear leadership or support, the responsibility for controlling CoVid falls on the shoulders of the struggling business people.

How long will it take before the business community figures out that they've been sold a bill of goods?

 

[margarita25]

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Reopening New Jersey: 11 schools are reporting coronavirus outbreaks in NJ

Michigan schools report 27 new outbreaks of COVID-19

State reporting 57 COVID-19 school outbreaks, including at Oakland County high school

Outbreak in Sonoma County: Virus hits 13 child care centers, schools

(just a few examples)

 

[mickey2942]

Looks like US Cruise ships will be setting sail before the end of the year


Mike Pence reportedly overruled the CDC on extending a cruise ship ban to 2021, the latest example of the White House sidelining expert advice in the pandemic

I actually received an email today, from several cruise companies.

Copied and pasted the email below:
"The adventure begins the moment we decide to take a trip. Make travel plans during the Upgrade Away Sale for something special to look forward to. And keep your wanderlust alive with all things Book Now
Don’t miss out on the chance to plan your next trip during the Upgrade Away Sale. Enjoy a FREE stateroom location upgrade1 for cruises and cruise tours departing March 2021 and beyond. Location is everything, and we’ve got stateroom options for every taste from interior staterooms to expansive Mini Suites. And whichever room you book — enjoy a prime location upgrade on us!".

What is missing from this "fantastic offer"? Yes, Covid! That information was way far down, in smaller print...

 

[CSIDreamer]

Similarly, our next federal budget is being released today.

Some things we have been told so far is that there is going to be a huge injection into manufacturing. $1.5 billion over the next four years. Perhaps to reduce our dependency on other nations, and it was said on TV News this morning that this will create 300,000 jobs for Australians.

Another thing is that incentives are going to be provided to assist farmers with help in harvesting crops, to keep that industry thriving.

Nothing I have yet heard to help retail/other business.

Scott Morrison was on Sydney radio 2GB ....... talking about the $1.5bn manufacturing plan his government is planning (over the forwards), as part of the covid recovery.
‘We make things in this country’ is the attached line which goes with the plan.
Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria reports 15 new cases and two deaths as Queensland expands NSW border bubble

New incentives to get pickers to farms

I don't think it will hurt anyone to reduce dependence on other countries. It sounds like a good idea to me. We could trade more unique items. Like cockatiels and cockatoos.

 

[tresir2012]

OMG, from your link:

A grandson of former Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy told The New Yorker that he was the whistleblower that sounded the alarm.

[...]

Kennedy, who was surrounded by other 20-something volunteers from various fields with no experience in procuring medical supplies ...

"We were the team," he told Mayer. "We were the entire frontline team for the federal government."

The team was tasked with procuring much-needed supplies while equipped with only their personal laptops and private email accounts.

I wonder why this is coming out right now and not several months ago? Personally I do not believe him and what experience does one need purchasing PPE? We have all had to learn about it PDQ.

The deaths he is talking about were projected death estimates and he left in April after only a few weeks. And it was the individual states that should have had their own supplies anyway.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't think it will hurt anyone to reduce dependence on other countries. It sounds like a good idea to me. We could trade more unique items. Like cockatiels and cockatoos.

One of the best things that I heard is that we are going to up our game in manufacture of pharmaceuticals and medical supplies. Move away from importing so many of them.

And yes, I am more than happy for a return to "Buy Australian". And actually have a wide variety of Australian products there for us to buy.

Budget 2020 to be 'necessarily different in scale': Morrison

 

[JerseyGirl]

Thank you, Cool Cats.

I’m recalling the first cruise ship trying to port in Italy, waaay back in the early days, and the Mayor running along the pier, trying to not allow it to arrive/disembark (something like that).

Surely no country is going to let US passengers disembark?

(eta: @JerseyGirl , @dixiegirl1035 look at this! )

Are all the people even off the ships that have been stranded at sea for months?

I looked at a cruise website and found cruises available for bookings starting in November, it appears that are gearing and taking advantage of possible holiday travel. I just looked at cruises from Florida and then looked at Baltimore MD just to see another state and they too are available for bookings starting November. I just glanced at Carnival and NCL and cruises were going to the Bahamas, Mexico, Belize and Roatan. I didn’t see or look for eastern Caribbean cruises or cruises from western ports. It’ll be interesting to see if these cruises sail.