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Talk about a global superspreading event.

Covid 101: “Prevent Amplifying Events”:

“With the northern hemisphere flu season approaching, and with cases and hospitalizations increasing, many countries find themselves struggling to strike the right balance between protecting public health, protecting personal liberty and protecting their economies.

So-called lockdowns and the impact on global travel and trade have already taken such a heavy toll.

The global economy is expected to contract by trillions of US dollars this year.

Many countries have poured money into domestic stimulus packages. But these investments will not on their own address the root cause of the economic crisis – which is the disease that paralyses health systems, disrupts economies and drives fear and uncertainty.

We continue to urge countries to focus on four essential priorities.

First, prevent amplifying events.“


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Wow, I just thought of something...I wonder if all those previous CDC Guidance, etc on Cruiseships, ETC. has been modified, or disappeared... Going in for a look.

Eta:

Cruise Ship Guidance | Quarantine | CDC


CDC is allowing crew members to disembark from all cruise ships in U.S. waters. Cruise ships with complete and accurate No Sail Order response plans are able to disembark their crew members without a signed attestation if they use non-commercial travel and follow all CDC requirements to prevent interaction of disembarking crew members with the public. Cruise company officials must sign an acknowledgement of the completeness and accuracy of their response plans. These cruise ships are also able to use commercial travel to disembark crew members if they meet certain criteria to show that they have no confirmed COVID cases or COVID-like illness onboard. Crew members on these ships that are not affected by COVID-19 can also resume some of their daily interactions with fellow crew members.

CDC is committed to helping address crew members’ questions or concerns while onboard and as they disembark. Crew members on ships in or intending to be in US waters who have questions about the process for disembarkation or who have concerns about what their ship is doing to prevent COVID-19 onboard can share them with CDC by sending an email to [email protected].

Learn more about what CDC is doing to help cruise travelers.

No Sail Order for Cruise Ships
September 30, 2020 Update

On September 30, 2020, CDC extended the No Sail Order and Suspension of Further Embarkation; Third Modification and Extension of No Sail Order and Other Measures Related to Operations that was issued on July 16, 2020. The Order is effective upon signature and will be published in the Federal Register soon.

This Order is in effect until one of the following occurs:

  • The expiration of the Secretary of Health and Human Services’ declaration that COVID-19 constitutes a public health emergency,
  • The CDC Director rescinds or modifies the order based on specific public health or other considerations, or
  • October 31, 2020.
See the attached order (print-only) pdf icon[PDF – 29 pages] for the full requirements.

July 16, 2020 Update

On July 16, 2020, CDC extended the No Sail Order and Suspension of Further Embarkation; Notice of Modification and Extension and Other Measures Related to Operations signed by the CDC Director on April 9, 2020—subject to the modifications and additional stipulated conditions as set forth in this Order. The Order is effective upon signature and published in the Federal Registerexternal icon on July 21, 2020.

This Order is in effect until one of the following occurs:

  • The expiration of the Secretary of Health and Human Services’ declaration that COVID-19 constitutes a public health emergency,
  • The CDC Director rescinds or modifies the order based on specific public health or other considerations, or
  • September 30, 2020.
See the attached order (print-only) pdf icon[PDF – 20 pages] for the full requirements.

April 9, 2020 Update

On April 9, 2020, CDC renewed the No Sail Order and Other Measures Related to Operations Order signed by the CDC Director on March 14, 2020—subject to the modifications and additional stipulated conditions as set forth in this Order. The Order is published in the Federal Register and effective as of April 15, 2020 (https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2020-07930external icon).

The extended Order is in effect until one of the following occurs:

  • The Secretary of Health and Human Services’ declares that COVID-19 no longer constitutes a public health emergency, or
  • The CDC Director rescinds or modifies the order based on specific public health or other considerations, or
  • 100 days have passed from April 15, the date the extended order was published in the Federal Registerexternal icon and went into effect. 100 days from April 15 is July 24.
See the attached order (print-only) pdf icon[PDF – 9 pages] for the full requirements.

March 14, 2020 Update

The CDC Director has reason to believe that cruise ship travel may continue to introduce, transmit, or spread COVID-19. As such, the CDC Director issued a No Sail Order for cruise ships effective March 14, 2020. CDC commends the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA), the leading industry trade group, for their willingness to voluntarily suspend cruise ship operations from U.S. ports of call beginning on March 13, 2020 for the next thirty (30) days. See the attached order (print-only) pdf icon[PDF – 7 pages] for the full requirements.

*Now, are these archived guidances the same as the original guidances...(talking out loud)....copying this over to CDC thread.
 
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I wonder when Dr Redfield will feel compelled to resign from the CDC or be fired.
 
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Interim Guidance for the Mitigation of COVID-19 Among Crew During the Period of the No Sail Order | CDC

Summary of Recent Changes
July 23, 2020 Update

Added information about the second extension to CDC’s No Sail Order, effective July 16, 2020.

June 1, 2020 Update

Added requirements for use of commercial travel to disembark crew members and clarified routine testing for SARS-CoV-2 infection.

April 28, 2020 Update

Clarified the stipulations for disembarking asymptomatic crew for transfer or repatriation.

April 21, 2020 Update

Clarified that notification to health departments for disembarking crews must include health departments with jurisdiction for the seaport and those with jurisdiction for the crew members’ residence.

Purpose
This document provides guidance under CDC’s No Sail Order for cruise ship operations in any international, interstate, or intrastate waterways subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to help prevent, detect, and medically manage confirmed and suspected COVID-19 infections, as well as exposures among crew members during periods of suspended cruise ship operations.

As a condition of obtaining or retaining controlled free pratique to continue to engage in any cruise ship operations, the CDC Director’s No Sail Orderexternal icon, published in the Federal Register on April 15, 2020, and No Sail Order extensionexternal icon, signed on July 16, 2020, require that cruise ship operators, among other things, develop plans to prevent, mitigate, and respond to the spread of COVID-19 on board cruise ships. This interim guidance is not intended as, and does not constitute, a comprehensive statement regarding a cruise ship operator’s duties and obligations under that order. Cruise ship operators should establish mechanisms to ensure compliance with the NSO, including any plans adopted pursuant to the order, and immediately notify CDC and United States Coast Guard (USCG) of any deviations, whether intentional, or as a result of error or omission.

This interim guidance reflects CDC’s reasoned judgement based on the best available current science regarding the subject areas covered in the document. Cruise ship operators should carefully consider and incorporate this interim guidance in developing their own prevention, mitigation, and response plans.

CDC will update this interim guidance to cruise ships as needed and as additional information becomes available. CDC will notify cruise lines when this website is updated.

Preventive Measures
Cruise ships involve the movement of large numbers of people in settings where they are likely to have close contact with one another. Close-contact environments facilitate transmission of respiratory viruses from person to person through exposure to respiratory droplets or contact with contaminated surfaces. Cruise ships may also be a means by which infected persons travel between geographic locations.

To reduce spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, on board during the period of suspended cruise ship operations, CDC recommends that cruise ship operators:

  • Relocate all crew to single-occupancy cabins with private bathrooms
  • Instruct crew members to remain in cabins as much as possible during non-working hours
  • Cancel all face-to-face employee meetings, group events (such as employee trainings), or social gatherings
  • Close all crew bars, gyms, or other group settings
  • Implement social distancing of crew members when working or moving through the ship (maintaining at least 6 feet [2 meters] from others)
  • Instruct crew members to wear a cloth face covering when outside of individual cabins
  • Modify meal service to facilitate social distancing (e.g., reconfigure dining room seating, stagger mealtimes, encourage in-cabin dining)
  • Eliminate self-serve dining options at all crew and officer messes
  • Discourage handshaking – encourage the use of non-contact methods of greeting
  • Promote respiratory and hand hygiene and cough etiquette
  • Place hand sanitizer (containing at least 60% alcohol) in multiple locations and in sufficient quantities to encourage hand hygiene
  • Ensure handwashing facilities are well-stocked with soap and paper towels
  • Place posters that encourage hand hygiene to help stop the spread in high-trafficked areas
Some exceptions to these measures can be made for those ships that have met the “Green” or “Yellow” criteria.

Surveillance for COVID-19
  • As an interim replacement to the Maritime Conveyance Cumulative Influenza/Influenza-Like Illness (ILI) Form for each international voyage, CDC requires weekly submission of the “Enhanced Data Collection (EDC) During COVID-19 Pandemic Form” during suspended cruise ship operations. This EDC Form will be used to conduct surveillance for COVID-19 among crew who remain on board cruise ships using cumulative reports of acute respiratory illness (ARI), influenza-like illness (ILI), and pneumonia, and other clinical indicators.
  • Access to the online EDC form will be provided to cruise lines by the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA) or CDC. Cruise lines that do not receive CLIA’s email should contact CDC (email [email protected]).
  • In addition to this weekly surveillance via the online EDC form, cruise ship operators should continue to report to USCG via Advance Notice of Vessel Arrival (ANOA), which constitutes the most timely source of illness information when the cruise ship is within waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
  • Surveillance onboard should include routine testing for SARS-CoV-2 infection, including intermittent testing of a random sample of symptomatic and asymptomatic crew members. Additional information on testing can be found on CDC’s website.
CDC may publish these surveillance data on its website to inform the public.

Crew Monitoring
Crew should have twice daily temperature checks. If cruise ship operators can provide thermometers, self-temperature checks are preferable. All temperature checks should be reported to and recorded by the ship’s medical center. Additionally, crew members should be aware of the signs and symptoms of COVID-19 and the importance of not working and isolation in cabins while sick with fever or acute respiratory symptoms.

Disembarking Asymptomatic Crew for Transfer or Repatriation

During this period of suspended passenger operations, there are stipulations for crew transfers and repatriation.

  • Some crew will remain essential to maintaining basic ship operations (e.g., Minimum Safe Manning [MSM]). Cruise lines must submit requests to transfer crew (from one ship to another or embarking new crew members) in order to maintain basic ship operations to the U.S. Coast Guard for approval. This includes transferring necessary medical personnel or personnel necessary to maintain the seaworthiness or safety of the ship. If approved, these transfers may occur only via noncommercial transport.
  • CDC is allowing disembarkation of crew members for repatriation or non-essential transfers of crew members (for repatriation) if the cruise line attests pdf icon[PDF – 2 pages] that transport will occur only by industry-chartered private transport, industry-chartered private flights, or personal vehicles (no rental cars, taxis, or ride-share services) with measures in place to ensure those involved in transport are not exposed to the virus that causes COVID-19. Such measures must include the following:
    • Before disembarking crew, cruise ship operators must give 72-hour advance notice to the local and state health departments with jurisdiction over:
      • the port of disembarkation, and
      • the state and county of residence for any US-based crew disembarking for repatriation.
    • Cruise ship operators must notify the respective national public health authorities and adhere to any testing requirements of receiving countries for any repatriated crew based outside of the US.
    • Cruise ship medical staff must screen disembarking crew members for fever, cough, shortness of breath, or other symptoms compatible with COVID-19 by using temperature checks, visual observation for illness, and health questionnaires.
    • Cruise ship operators must ensure crew members with known exposures to COVID-19 are transported separately from those with no known exposure.
    • Cruise ship operators must provide face coverings, such as a cloth face covering, to disembarking crew members or confirm that they have their own face coverings. Face coverings should be worn by asymptomatic crew members during disembarkation, during transport to any flights, for the duration of the flight(s), and while taking ground transportation until they reach their final destination.
    • Cruise ship operators must instruct disembarking crew members to stay home for 14 days and continue to practice social distancing after reaching their destination.
    • Cruise ship operators must inform ship pilots, ground transportation, and air charter operators of the situation and confirm the operators have plans in place to notify and protect the health and safety of their staff (e.g., drivers, air crews).
    • Cruise ship operators must ensure that disembarking crew members:
      • will not stay overnight in a hotel before the flight or at any point until they reach their final destination
      • will not use public transportation (including taxis or ride-share services) to get to the airport/charter flight
      • will not enter the public airport terminal
      • will not take commercial aircraft after an initial charter flight
      • will not have a transportation layover exceeding 8 hours
      • will have no interaction with the public during their travel home (e.g., rental car companies, restaurants, etc.)
  • Use of commercial transportation by crew from ships unaffected by COVID-19 may occur only on a case-by-case basis with prior CDC approval; the cruise line must complete a statement attesting to the status of the ship.
  • To be considered currently unaffected by COVID-19, ships must have had no confirmed cases of COVID-19 [1] or COVID-like illness [2] in the past 28 days and if the ship received ship-to-ship [3] transfers within the past 28 days, crew must have come from a ship that had no confirmed COVID-19 or COVID-like illness within the 28 days before the transfer occurred. In addition, if land-based crew embarked, they must have been immediately quarantined for 14 days upon embarking the ship.
  • Use of commercial transportation by crew members who are determined to have fully recovered from COVID-19 based on CDC criteria for discontinuing isolation, and thus do not present a public health risk may occur as follows:
    • Cruise ship medical personnel are responsible for providing the crew member with a medical certificate stating that the crew member has recovered from COVID-19 and met CDC’s criteria for discontinuing isolation.
    • The medical certificate must meet the requirements of Department of Transportation regulationspdf iconexternal icon (14 Code of Federal Regulations § 382.23(c)(2)).

  1. symptoms of COVID-19.

    Cruise ship medical personnel and cruise line telemedicine providers should reference CDC’s COVID-19 website Information for Healthcare Professionals for the latest information on infection control, clinical management, collecting clinical specimens, evaluating patients who may be sick with or who have been exposed to COVID-19, or identifying close contacts. For additional cruise ship information, please refer to Interim Guidance for Ships on Managing Suspected Coronavirus Disease 2019.

    Isolation of Symptomatic Crew and Confirmed Cases and Quarantine of Close Contacts
    Crew with ARI, ILI, or pneumonia should be isolated using the same guidelines as a confirmed COVID-19 case. Quarantine of asymptomatic crew that are identified as close contacts of symptomatic crew or confirmed cases is also needed to minimize transmission of SARS-CoV-2 on board.
    • Isolate or quarantine crew in single-occupancy cabins, with private bathrooms, with the door closed.
    • Selection of cabins for isolation or quarantine should consider the following:
      • Proximity to the medical facility and gangways for ease of patient transport
      • Location in dead-end corridors or low-traffic areas to minimize potential exposures
      • Spacing between other occupied cabins to reduce transmission risk
      • Absence of interconnecting doors to reduce accidental exposures
      • Positioning within view of security cameras for enforcement of isolation or quarantine
      • Presence of balconies for psychological morale
    • Isolated or quarantined crew members should have no direct contact with other crew except for designated medical staff.
    • Designated medical staff or other personnel should wear proper personal protective equipment (PPE) per CDC guidance when in proximity to isolated or quarantined crew members.
    • Meals should be packaged in disposable dining ware with single-use cutlery and delivered to individual cabins with no face-to-face interaction during this service.
    • Cabins housing isolated or quarantined crew should not be cleaned by other crew members. Supplies such as paper towels, cleaners, and disinfectants, and extra linens can be provided to isolated or quarantined persons so they can clean their cabin by themselves as necessary.
    • Food waste and other trash should be collected and bagged by the isolated or quarantined crew member and placed outside the cabin during designated times for transport to the waste management center for incineration or offloading.
    • Soiled linens and towels should be bagged in water-soluble bags by the isolated or quarantined crew member and placed outside the cabin during designated times for transport to the laundry room.
    • Consider use of surveillance cameras or security personnel to ensure compliance with isolation or quarantine protocols wherever possible.
    Medical Management of Suspected or Confirmed COVID-19
    Cruise ship medical centers are recommended to follow the operational guidelinesexternal icon published by the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP). Ships should carry a sufficient quantity of PPE, medical and laboratory supplies listed on CDC’s Interim Guidance for Ships on Managing Suspected Coronavirus Disease 2019. Maintaining adequate supplies of antipyretics (e.g., acetaminophen and ibuprofen), antiviral and antimicrobial medications, supplemental oxygen, and FDA-approved rapid diagnostic tests for COVID-19 is also recommended. Information to estimate needed medical staffing and equipment can be found in the Federal Healthcare Resilience Task Force Alternate Care Site Toolkit pdf icon[PDF – 136 pages]external icon, Supplement 2. As treatment and testing become more available in the United States, cruise ships should align with the latest CDC recommendations.

    Disembarking Crew Members to Obtain Medical Care
    Cruise lines are responsible for the medical care of ill or infected persons on board, including those who need hospitalization. For crew who need emergency medical attention that cannot be provided on board the ship, cruise lines should coordinate with the shoreside healthcare facility and U.S. Coast Guard.
    • Crew member should wear a cloth face covering, during the disembarkation process and throughout transportation to the shoreside healthcare facility, if a face covering can be tolerated.
    • If crew member is known to be infected with or has symptoms compatible with COVID-19:
      • All escorting personnel should wear appropriate proper PPE per CDC guidance.
      • Ensure a separate pathway or sanitary corridor where the disembarking crew member will exit with their personal belongings such as luggage.
      • The pathway used for disembarkation, any potentially contaminated surfaces (e.g., handrails) along the pathway, and any equipment used (e.g., wheelchairs) should be cleaned and disinfected immediately after disembarkation (see Cleaning and Disinfection section below).
    Discontinuation of Isolation
    Isolation may be discontinued for symptomatic crew with suspected or confirmed COVID-19, or asymptomatic crew with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, once criteria outlined in CDC’s guidance for Discontinuation of Isolation for Persons with COVID-19 Not in Healthcare Settings are met.

    Discontinuation of Quarantine
    Quarantine may be discontinued for asymptomatic crew who have had close contact with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 cases under the following conditions:
    • 14 days has passed since last exposure to a suspected or confirmed case (considering the last exposure date to case as Day 0); and
    • the exposed crew member has remained afebrile; and
    • the exposed crew member has not developed acute respiratory symptoms
    Cleaning and Disinfection
    Current evidence suggests that COVID-19 may remain viable for hours to days on surfaces made from a variety of materials. Cleaning of visibly dirty surfaces followed by disinfection is a best practice measure for prevention of COVID-19 transmission.

    In addition to routine cleaning and disinfection strategies, ships should focus on cleaning and disinfecting common areas where crew members may come into contact with infectious persons. Consider frequent, routine cleaning and disinfection of commonly touched surfaces such as handrails, countertops, and doorknobs with an EPA-registered disinfectantexternal icon effective against coronaviruses.

    Additional information on cleaning and disinfecting on cruise ships can be found on CDC’s Interim Guidance for Ships on Managing Suspected Coronavirus Disease 2019.

    Other environmental considerations include:
    • Wait 24 hours or as long as practical before beginning cleaning and disinfection of cabins vacated by crew members with confirmed or suspect COVID-19.
    • In order to minimize the possibility of dispersing virus through the air, do not shake dirty laundry.
    • Launder soiled linens and towels collected from cabins occupied by isolated or quarantined crew in washing machines set at the warmest appropriate water setting for the items, and dry items completely.
    • Identify pathways to minimize risk of respiratory transmission when crew are required to move in and out of isolation and quarantine corridors and during the transport of waste and soiled linens generated by isolated or quarantined crew members.
    • Designated trolleys/carts used for the transportation of waste and soiled linens from isolated or quarantined cabins must be cleaned and disinfected with an effective disinfectant after each use.
    Medical personnel who have direct contact with isolated or quarantined persons and crew members who handle waste or soiled linens must wear proper PPE per CDC’s Interim Guidance for Ships on Managing Suspected Coronavirus Disease 2019.

    cloth face covering when outside of individual cabins Recommended Required Required
    Modify meal service to facilitate social distancing (e.g., reconfigure dining room seating, stagger mealtimes, encourage in-cabin dining) Not Required Required Required
    Eliminate self-serve dining options at all crew and officer messes Required Required Required
    Discourage handshaking – encourage the use of non-contact methods of greeting Required Required Required
    Promote respiratory and hand hygiene and cough etiquette Required Required Required
    Place hand sanitizer (containing at least 60% alcohol) in multiple locations and in sufficient quantities to encourage hand hygiene Required Required Required
    Place posters that encourage hand hygiene to help stop the spread in high-trafficked areas Required Required Required


    [paste:font size="5"]Procedure for “Green” Cruise Ships Requesting to use Commercial Transportation
    1. Cruise ship operator determines that the ship meets CDC’s criteria for “Green” status.
    2. Cruise ship operator submits a signed unaltered Attestation for Commercial Transportation of Disembarking Crew for Cruise Ship Operators under a No Sail Order Response Plan to CDC at [email protected].
    3. To confirm Green status, CDC will assess the status of the ship by reviewing surveillance data submitted weekly using the EDC form.
    4. If CDC clears the ship as meeting Green status, CDC will send cruise ship operator a clearance email informing them that arrangements for commercial flights can now be made.
      1. To inform transportation partners (e.g., Federal Aviation Administration, Transportation Security Administration, and airlines) of the ship’s ability to arrange commercial travel, CDC will post on its website the names of all ships with Green status and a signed attestation for commercial travel.
      2. The attestation will be valid from the time of CDC clearance until the ship’s status changes (to “Yellow” or “Red”) or the end of the NSO period.
    5. Once a ship has achieved “Green” status and has a cleared attestation, CDC will continue to review the ship’s status on a weekly basis to determine if it changes to Yellow or Red. Failure to submit weekly EDC form, changes ship status to Red.
    6. If ship’s status changes from Green to Yellow or Red based on criteria:
      1. CDC will notify the cruise ship operator by email.
      2. CDC will update the ship’s status on its website.
      3. Commercial travel from the ship must not occur.
    7. Cruise lines whose ships have achieved Green status, including a signed and approved attestation, may provide a letter informing the airline that the crew member will disembark a Green ship. The letter can be provided to the:
      1. commercial airline upon booking, and/or
      2. crew member upon disembarkation.
 
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So, this is March 14 Cruiseship Update (if it hasn’t been modified):
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/signed-manifest-order_031520.pdf

See Risk of Transmission on Cruiseships and beyond

"The Director has reason to believe that Cruise Ship Travel May Continue to Introduce, Transmit, or Spread Covid-19"

That says it all really, doesn't it? Nothing has changed that I can see.
It has been proven very recently that this is still the case.

Crew members on coronavirus-struck ship off WA coast brought ashore
 
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"The Director has reason to believe that Cruise Ship Travel May Continue to Introduce, Transmit, or Spread Covid-19"

That says it all really, doesn't it? Nothing has changed that I can see.
It has been proven very recently that this is still the case.

Crew members on coronavirus-struck ship off WA coast brought ashore
You know what I still think about, and have been meaning to see what the outcome of this was, but remember @dixiegirl1035 when they found CV on the surfaces within the cruiseship 28 days later? Was it 28? 21? These are old studies, of course, but...Gosh, we talked soooooo much about cruiseships, the infinite reports about how they are cesspools, the ventilation...the list goes on and on and on. Again, it’s the global repercussions....anyway, no need to explain all that. We know the deal here. We followed the cruiseship situation for months.

I wonder how Diamond Dave and his lovely wife are doing? @JerseyGirl @dixiegirl1035

I wonder if they have fully recovered, or are having lingering effects.

Crazy how you can overrule the CDC like this, in a GLOBAL PANDEMIC.

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New LiVe Q&A with Dr. Mike and Dr. Maria, haven’t watched it yet:


(“concept of the exposure dose...”, sounds interesting, Dr. Mike. I was just noticing above that the new mutation has a higher “virus/(viral) load” in the naso....source)
 
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You know what I still think about, and have been meaning to see what the outcome of this was, but remember @dixiegirl1035 when they found CV on the surfaces within the cruiseship 28 days later? Was it 28? 21? These are old studies, of course, but...Gosh, we talked soooooo much about cruiseships, the infinite reports about how they are cesspools, the ventilation...the list goes on and on and on. Again, it’s the global repercussions....anyway, no need to explain all that. We know the deal here. We followed the cruiseship situation for months.

I wonder how Diamond Dave and his lovely wife are doing? @JerseyGirl @dixiegirl1035

I wonder if they have fully recovered, or are having lingering effects.

Crazy how you can overrule the CDC like this, in a GLOBAL PANDEMIC.

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New LiVe Q&A with Dr. Mike and Dr. Maria, haven’t watched it yet:


(“concept of the exposure dose...”, sounds interesting, Dr. Mike. I was just noticing above that the new mutation has a higher “virus/(viral) load” in the naso....source)

I unfollowed Dave a while back - all good and they are cruising the rivers on their newly purchased long boat. As to the 21 days, IIRC those may not have been infectious particles that were recovered, but fragments picked up by PCR.
 
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Crazy how you can overrule the CDC like this.

These are unprecedented times. Crazy is the norm. I’m not sure why I continue to be surprised and say “What’s next?” over and over and over. When all is said and done, I wonder if there will be trials at the International Criminal Court in The Hague for crimes against humanity. Brazil’s President Bolsonaro has already had a complaint filed against him for his handling of COVID-19...

An umbrella group of unions and social organizations representing more than 1 million Brazilian medical professionals have filed a complaint to the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Netherlands, accusing Bolsonaro of committing a crime against humanity by reacting to the outbreak with "contempt, neglect and denial."

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The complaint to the ICC, by Brazil's UNISaúde network, accuses Bolsonaro of intensifying the pandemic by repeatedly opposing social isolation measures. His conduct is increasingly mirrored by the Brazilian public, who — mostly without masks — crowded the beaches of Rio de Janeiro this weekend.

The complaint also cites Bolsonaro's "adamant insistence" on the use of the anti-malarial medicines, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Multiple scientific studies show these are ineffective against COVID-19.

More at the link:
Brazil's Bolsonaro Is Accused Of Crime Against Humanity Over Coronavirus 'Neglect'
 
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Coronavirus detected in lake water, researchers find. Experts say don't panic.
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Researchers have been sampling water from various beaches on Lake Superior since July 4 on a weekly basis and detected SARS-CoV-2 at 100 to 1,000 copies per liter, or 10,000 times lower than levels observed in wastewater.
 
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Coronavirus detected in lake water, researchers find. Experts say don't panic.
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Researchers have been sampling water from various beaches on Lake Superior since July 4 on a weekly basis and detected SARS-CoV-2 at 100 to 1,000 copies per liter, or 10,000 times lower than levels observed in wastewater.
This is sad to see sewage polluting our lakes/water sources:

“There is also a risk of sewage contamination seeping into lakes, Adalja says. And, since SARS-CoV-2 has already been detected in sewage, it could end up in a lake that way. “This is not surprising to me,” Adalja says. Worth noting: Melvin says that the virus is “not likely” to come from local wastewater treatment plants. “They do a perfectly effective job of eliminating the virus,” he says. “However, it could be coming from sewer lines or septic tanks.”“

Because of all this, Adalja says, SARS-CoV-2 is likely to also be found in other bodies of water elsewhere.”
 
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The deaths he is talking about were projected death estimates and he left in April after only a few weeks. And it was the individual states that should have had their own supplies anyway.

The mismanagement of PPE in those early few weeks resulted in the tragic deaths of hundreds of primary medical workers.

Don't forget that there already was an established federal agency who would organise the purchase of emergency medical supplies in a fully transparent manner and distribute them where needed based on data provided by the CDC. There was no need to set up an inexperienced group of 20 random guys with laptops.

Do you recall how, instead of a proper distribution process, states ended up in bidding wars against one another? Masks, which had been acquired for pennies a piece were sold to
desperate medical providers at greatly inflated prices. How many front line medical providers died for lack of PPE?

Look up "Project Airbridge" and follow the money. It's so seedy that our minds can barely believe this actually happened.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87497

Jared Kushner's highly scrutinized 'Project Airbridge' to begin winding down
 
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My DD is matron of honour in her BFF's wedding in two weekends time. And guess what?
As of midnight tonight, dancing is allowed at weddings again. It was a flash announcement today. Totally unexpected.
120 people and dancing. Boy, it has been a long time coming.
The wedding arrangements have been up and down. 150 people, 50 people, 20 people, 10 people, 50 people, 120 people (they are now allowed 150, but have settled on 120 total people).
DD and BFF are over the moon!
 
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Now this reminds me of something I saw the other day, check this out (note some aren’t wearing masks):


I posted an article about these giant ships all parked off the Dorset coast a few weeks ago when I posted a link about a beach rescue by human chain. I think it was our bank holiday weekend. Masks are not required outdoors so I guess that is the reason.
 
  • #254
The mismanagement of PPE in those early few weeks resulted in the tragic deaths of hundreds of primary medical workers.

Don't forget that there already was an established federal agency who would organise the purchase of emergency medical supplies in a fully transparent manner and distribute them where needed based on data provided by the CDC. There was no need to set up an inexperienced group of 20 random guys with laptops.

Do you recall how, instead of a proper distribution process, states ended up in bidding wars against one another? Masks, which had been acquired for pennies a piece were sold to
desperate medical providers at greatly inflated prices. How many front line medical providers died for lack of PPE?

Look up "Project Airbridge" and follow the money. It's so seedy that our minds can barely believe this actually happened.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87497

Jared Kushner's highly scrutinized 'Project Airbridge' to begin winding down
I do remember some of the states having stocks that were expired and the problems with the supply chain as most of the stock had to come from China. I don't remember it directly contributing to hundreds of deaths of medical staff though I am sure that has happened globally, as this was a global supply problem and not just confined to the USA. It certainly contributed to the care home deaths globally also, too I am sure. MOO
 
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Looks like my state, and TootsieFootsie 's state, are going to be the first participants in a travel bubble.
This is sort of like taking baby steps for us, we have been closed to other places for so long now.
Though NZ is about as safe as things can be at the moment.

All wrapped up in our big cocoon. I guess it is time to start breaking it open a little.

I hear that we are going to slowly move to a 'hotspot' strategy, as opposed to closed borders.


Australia-New Zealand COVID travel bubble will apply to NSW and SA first, PM says
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/nz-travel-to-nsw-sa-coming-very-soon-pm-c-1356476


However, Ardern told AAP that her Australian counterpart’s, Scott Morrison’s, embrace of a ‘hotspot’ system would allow travel to resume sooner.
“Essentially what a hotspot system would do, it would shut down those areas where there were heightened cases, while allowing the rest to be open. And so absolutely, we can also make that work,” she told AAP.
“What we just need to hear a bit more from Australia on is what the definition of a hotspot will be, how they’ll manage the state borders in those situations, but we’re working that through.”
'Hotspot’ plan could allow Kiwis to enter Australia without quarantining: Ardern - Travel Weekly
 
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I wonder how Diamond Dave and his lovely wife are doing? @JerseyGirl @dixiegirl1035

I wonder if they have fully recovered, or are having lingering effects.

David had some TIA issues last month, but all is well: David Abel

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I decided to check up on our friend, Chen Quishi, and O-M-G he's alive!!!!

Chinese citizen journalist who disappeared after reporting Wuhan's coronavirus outbreak is found

Missing Chinese journalist 'under state supervision'

A friend has now uploaded a video to YouTube saying he is in "good health" but is under government supervision.

Xu Xiaodong, a mixed martial arts fighter and friend of Mr Chen, posted a video on YouTube saying he was in a "safe place".

"Qiushi is still under the supervision of a certain agency and hasn't come home yet," he said in the video.

A human rights lawyer, who requested anonymity, told the South China Morning Post that Mr Chen had been moved to Qingdao where his parents live and where he is registered.

"Qiushi, who is together with his parents, is under strict supervision by the authorities," the lawyer said.

"Since the authorities have decided not to prosecute him, it is actually not lawful to continue to keep him in close surveillance."
 
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In my immediate area, many are frustrated and (what’s the phrase they are using?) “pandemic-exhausted”? I am hearing over and over “I’m starting to think this whole thing is a hoax”. When I ask why.... “Well do you personally know anyone who’s actually had it? Not in the news or online. I mean a friend, family member, work associate, etc”. When I list the 3 people I personally know who had it, they say 3 is a ridiculous number to cause the country this financial devastation. Then several people break out the old “I was talking to a nurse/paramedic I know and they said there are only 2 people in the hospital right now with Covid/yeah but they test you for Covid every day that you’re hospitalized and every time you still test positive, they count that as a positive case for the day”. I stay home except for going to work and an occasional stroll outside in open areas. I always have a mask for every person in my car plus an extra. I’d rather be home at this point because it’s frankly exhausting to listen to people jabber about how hoaxy this is rather than read a few current articles and buckle the he11 down and work together. The selfishness astounds me. It really does.
 
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I wonder when Dr Redfield will feel compelled to resign from the CDC or be fired.

Dr. Redfield, who has been scolded by Trump for promoting mask wearing and cautioning that vaccines won’t be widely available until next year, worried before the Tuesday decision that he might get fired, and had considered resigning if he were required to oversee a policy that compromised public health, according to a senior administration official as well as a person close to Dr. Redfield.

White House Blocked C.D.C. Order to Keep Cruise Ships Docked
 
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In my immediate area, many are frustrated and (what’s the phrase they are using?) “pandemic-exhausted”? I am hearing over and over “I’m starting to think this whole thing is a hoax”. When I ask why.... “Well do you personally know anyone who’s actually had it? Not in the news or online. I mean a friend, family member, work associate, etc”. When I list the 3 people I personally know who had it, they say 3 is a ridiculous number to cause the country this financial devastation. Then several people break out the old “I was talking to a nurse/paramedic I know and they said there are only 2 people in the hospital right now with Covid/yeah but they test you for Covid every day that you’re hospitalized and every time you still test positive, they count that as a positive case for the day”. I stay home except for going to work and an occasional stroll outside in open areas. I always have a mask for every person in my car plus an extra. I’d rather be home at this point because it’s frankly exhausting to listen to people jabber about how hoaxy this is rather than read a few current articles and buckle the he11 down and work together. The selfishness astounds me. It really does.

Maybe people need to start pointing these kinds of people to what is happening around the world?

I just don't understand why they don't look outside of your own country. Look elsewhere for affirmation of the pandemic. If they are not believing what they hear is happening in the US.

The whole world is not in on a big hoax.
There are independent news sources (BBC, CBC, UNICEF FB page) that will show them the news of the world.
 
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