Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #80

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  • #941
No mask, prolonged close contact etc. etc. No surprise folks are infected.
But they were tested and cleared to meet the President so it is a surprise. That picture of the ones positive at the Rose Garden is stunning. Lets assume Melania caught it and passed it on to the President. It looks like she met and shook hands with everybody. So it could have been anyone there. They need to be like the Queen. Not meet anybody.
 
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The state of Indiana has free COVID testing sites in every county. Since we are not seeing people with COVID symptoms in our clinics, we direct them to the nearest state testing site to get tested. Some patients have reported back to us that they have waited up to two hours in line to be tested.

At the testing site closest to the clinic where I have been working lately the patients have told us that the registration person inside the COVID test center doesn’t wear a mask. That’s so dangerous, considering that she is in close proximity to hundreds of people every day, and many or most of them have COVID symptoms.
 
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The state of Indiana has free COVID testing sites in every county. Since we are not seeing people with COVID symptoms in our clinics, we direct them to the nearest state testing site to get tested. Some patients have reported back to us that they have waited up to two hours in line to be tested.

At the testing site closest to the clinic where I have been working lately the patients have told us that the registration person inside the COVID test center doesn’t wear a mask. That’s so dangerous, considering that she is in close proximity to hundreds of people every day, many or most of them have COVID symptoms.
(Good to see ya over here, @IceIce9)
 
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I spoke too soon, Dr. Seheult has given an update overnight.
Coronavirus Pandemic Update 110: Trump's Risk Factors and COVID-19 Prognosis; Interferon

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  • #946
But they were tested and cleared to meet the President so it is a surprise. That picture of the ones positive at the Rose Garden is stunning. Lets assume Melania caught it and passed it on to the President. It looks like she met and shook hands with everybody. So it could have been anyone there. They need to be like the Queen. Not meet anybody.

Well, we’ll see what the deal is with the testing. There’s much talk out there about this.
 
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@tresir2012 , I’m checking out after the night shift as always, but would like to ask if you could please do me a favor and pull up the latest list of nations who are collaborating and participating in the COVAX Facility and the ACT Accelerator? The list grows daily, sadly. IMO, the US could be a part of this global effort, and help the world at the same time, as we are all in this together. Covax and Act are a global collaboration, pooled research, etc.

Global Solidarity is key.

yes...i would appreciate as well... I have wanted to keep better informed re covax
 
  • #949
We don't have to blame anyone but we know what happened with China. They delayed reporting it, they cleaned up the source with no swabs taken they delayed reporting it and grabbed all the PPE for themselves.
Now it seems the testing at the WH is useless. Questions have to be asked.

Oh for sure we saw the Late Great Dr. LW get suppressed, citizen journalists and others go missing...(Any news??)..we know all about China. Just not sure how all that helps us right now, Kwim? Furthermore, let’s not even go there with PPE.
 
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They had presumably all been tested and cleared though so who was patient zero?

Also, so much for tests on boarding aircrafts and cruises if this is the best there is.

Has anyone wondered if there was sabotage or someone actually responsible for this monumental 🤬🤬🤬🤬 up? Who needs a gun when you can kill with Covid?

Did you read the statement from the head of Notre Dame who was at the ceremony?
Everyone can do much more to be safe.

I agree with you.... twill be interesting when we learn who patient zero is?
 
  • #951
RSBM

China did a quick shutdown, but it's been reopened for months now and is thriving and its military is being pretty aggressive in the South China seas. With so very few deaths, it's almost like the Chinese people were vaccinated before the virus ever sneaked out. JMOO

I truly believe that the comparitive reduced amount of virus cases and virus deaths (whether numbers are exactly correct or not) is all about restricting movement. Stopping the virus from moving around.

There are a multitude of pics on the internet showing Chinese villagers and officials stopping people from entering and leaving towns in the early days of this virus. They restricted movement.

Similarly, the more successful countries (and places) at containing the virus have restricted movement. They have closed borders. Limited distances that you can travel from your home. Stopped people moving around.

Movement needs to be stopped first, then the virus needs to be isolated and suppressed. Then things can ease up again. From what I can see, this has been the most successful strategy.

Bottom line is, if people didn't move around, the virus couldn't move around and spread. The virus needs people to carry it from place to place, person to person.

IMO

Yes, it's amazing and what scientists have been touting as to what a true lockdown combined with distance/masks/hygiene combined with aggressive testing and tracing and quarantine/isolation can do. Examples are China, South Korea (who had their first patient same day as US) and Australia (@SouthAussie kudos) .. and more. Fauci has even stated that it could be more effective than a vaccine trying to encourage folks to follow regime.

MOO
 
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Yes, it's amazing and what scientists have been touting as to what a true lockdown combined with distance/masks/hygiene combined with aggressive testing and tracing and quarantine/isolation can do. Examples are China, South Korea (who had their first patient same day as US) and Australia .. and more. Fauci has even stated that it could be more effective than a vaccine trying to encourage folks to follow regime.

MOO
EXACTLY.
 
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The pic shows Melania wearing a mask so she clearly didn't refuse. And she is sitting next to her family only.

Screenshot source - abcnews broadcast of Rose Garden last week.. Red circles are positives..oh, add KellyAnn now, and purple is Pence. Not sure who the children are sitting next to Melania, yet the recommendation is if outdoors, to wear a mask if you cannot socially distance, especially if you are sitting shoulder to shoulder with folks for a long period of time. MOO

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Interesting graphic of who sat where at the Rose Garden event and who has tested positive so far.

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  • Tested positive
    Left to right: Sen. Thom Tillis, Sen. Mike Lee, Kellyanne Conway, University of Notre Dame President Rev. John Jenkins, first lady Melania Trump
  • WHITE HOUSE INNER CIRCLE
    First row, left to right: Kate Todd, Pat Cipollone, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, Attorney General William Barr, Tiffany Trump, second lady Karen Pence, Vice President Mike Pence
  • GOP senators
    First row, left to right: Sen. Deb Fischer, Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Sen. Mike Crapo, Sen. Thom Tillis, Sen. Josh Hawley, Sen. Ben Sasse; Second row: Sen. Kelly Loeffler
Guests watch as President Donald Trump introduces Amy Coney Barrett as his nominee to the Supreme Court on Saturday.

Where Trump went (and who he was with) leading up to his coronavirus diagnosis

Thanks for your visual, and also the list who is in each row so we can keep track of as I didn't have that information.
 
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The White House currently relies on a portable coronavirus test made by Abbott Laboratories, which produces results in five minutes and can be conducted in-house by medical unit employees.
As Trump downplays Covid-19 testing, White House begins requiring it.
Ah Ok. Hmmm. That is quite new isn't it?

This is from the White House speech by POTUS and others about introducing these new tests. It is dated 28th September. Is this when they started using them? Very long so I won't copy pasta but this is a bit too coincidental for me.


Remarks by President Trump in an Update on the Nation's Coronavirus Testing Strategy | The White House
 
  • #958
Screenshot source - abcnews broadcast of Rose Garden last week.. Red circles are positives..oh, add KellyAnn now, and purple is Pence. Not sure who the children are sitting next to Melania, yet the recommendation is if outdoors, to wear a mask if you cannot socially distance, especially if you are sitting shoulder to shoulder with folks for a long period of time. MOO

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Those are Judge Barrett’s kids.
 
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Screenshot source - abcnews broadcast of Rose Garden last week.. Red circles are positives..oh, add KellyAnn now, and purple is Pence. Not sure who the children are sitting next to Melania, yet the recommendation is if outdoors, to wear a mask if you cannot socially distance, especially if you are sitting shoulder to shoulder with folks for a long period of time. MOO

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Those are the children of Amy Barrett I believe.

The photo I was originally referring to where Melania was wearing a mask sitting next to family was from a different event - the DM coverage of the debate.

But the Rose Garden pics are like a crime scene really, aren't they?
 
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Which test is best for COVID-19? - Harvard Health Blog

Which test is best for COVID-19?
Robert H. Shmerling, MDPosted August 10, 2020, 10:30 am , Updated September 30, 2020, 3:17 pm
Now that we’re several months into the COVID-19 pandemic, steps we need to take to effectively control the outbreak have become clear: conscientious prevention measureslike handwashing and distancing, widespread testing with quick turnaround times, and contact tracing. None of these is easy to maintain over a prolonged period. But combined, they are our best bets while awaiting better treatments and an effective vaccine.

So, which tests to use?
The many types of tests available are sowing considerable confusion. Unfortunately, because this novel coronavirus is indeed novel, and COVID-19 is a new disease, information about these tests is incomplete and the options for testing keep changing. But here’s what we know now about tests designed to diagnose a current infection, and those that show whether you previously had the virus.

Diagnostic tests for current infection
If you want to know if you are currently infected with the COVID-19 virus, there are two types of tests: molecular tests and antigen testing.

Molecular tests (also called PCR tests, viral RNA tests, nucleic acid tests)

How is it done? Nasal swabs, throat swabs, and tests of saliva or other bodily fluids.

Where can you get this test? At a hospital, in a medical office, in your car, or even at home.

What does the test look for? Molecular tests look for genetic material that comes only from the virus.

How long does it take to get results? It depends on lab capacity. Results may be ready the same day, but usually take at least a day or two. Throughout the pandemic, especially lately, delayed turnaround times of up to a week or two have been reported in many places.

What about accuracy? False negatives — that is, a test that says you don’t have the virus when you actually do have the virus — may occur. The reported rate of false negatives is as low as 2% and as high as 37%. The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero. Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself.

A molecular test using a deep nasal swab is usually the best option, because it will have fewer false negative results than other diagnostic tests or samples from throat swabs or saliva. People who are in the hospital, though, may have other types of samples taken.

You may have heard about pooled testing, in which multiple samples are combined and a molecular test is performed on them. This could speed up the testing of large numbers of people and reduce the number of tests needed.

If a pooled test is negative, the people whose samples were combined are told they have a negative test and individual testing is unnecessary. But if the pooled sample tests positive, each of the individual samples that were taken will then be tested to see which person(s) is responsible for the positive pooled result.

This approach may be particularly helpful in settings where the number of infections is low and declining, and most test results are expected to be negative. For example, in a community where the infection seems to be under control and reopenings of schools and businesses are planned, pooled testing of employees and students could be an effective strategy.

Antigen tests

How is it done? A nasal or throat swab.

Where can you get these tests? At a hospital or doctor’s office (though it is likely home testing will soon be available).

What does the test look for? This test identifies protein fragments (antigens) from the virus.

How long does it take to get results? The technology involved is similar to a pregnancy test or a rapid strep test, with results available in minutes.

What about accuracy? The reported rate of false negative results is as high as 50%, which is why antigen tests are not favored by the FDA as a single test for active infection. However, the FDA recently provided emergency use authorization for a more accurate antigen test. Because antigen testing is quicker, less expensive, and requires less complex technology to perform than molecular testing, some experts recommend repeated antigen testing as a reasonable strategy. According to one test manufacturer, the false positive rate of antigen testing is near zero. So, the recent experience of Ohio Governor Mike DeWine, who apparently had a false-positive result from an antigen test, is rare.

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The true accuracy of tests for COVID-19 is uncertain
Unfortunately, it’s not clear exactly how accurate any of these tests are. There are several reasons for this:

  • We don’t have precise measures of accuracy for these tests — just some commonly quoted figures for false negatives or false positives, such as those reported above. False negative tests provide false reassurance, and could lead to delayed treatment and relaxed restrictions despite being contagious. False positives, which are much less likely, can cause unwarranted anxiety and require people to quarantine unnecessarily.
  • How carefully a specimen is collected and stored may affect accuracy.
  • None of these tests is officially approved by the FDA. They are available because the FDA has granted their makers emergency use authorization. And that means the usual rigorous testing and vetting has not happened, and accuracy results have not been widely published.
  • A large and growing number of laboratories and companies offer these tests, so accuracy may vary. At the date of this posting, more than 170 molecular tests, two antigen tests, and 37 antibody tests are available.
  • All of these tests are new because the virus is new. Without a long track record, assessments of accuracy can only be approximate.
  • We don’t have a definitive “gold standard” test with which to compare them.



more at link
 
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