Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #81

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  • #141
WH debate prep room so far with Covid-19:
(Saturday after Rose Garden event through Tuesday)

President Trump: Positive
Kellyanne Conway: Positive
Bill Stepien: Positive
Hope Hicks: Positive
Chris Christie Positive
Rudy Giuliani (tbd)
Jason Miller (tbd)
Stephen Miller (tbd)

https://twitter.com/danabashcnn/status/1312241059427221505?s=21

Chris Christie is super obese. Much more than the president.

Of course many of these people are probably getting expensive anti-body, anti-viral and antibiotic cocktails, like D. Trump. So, again, they have even better chances of weathering the storm well, when compared the the average person.

The chances of any of them passing away like Herman Cain, are low, as we all know. But ICU stays? Weeks or months incapacitated? Much higher odds, depending on their health status/pre-existing conditions.

For some, the risk isn’t a big deal. To me, having so many politicians and administration officials sick at once is a huge deal.

Personally, it would be terrible for me to be sick like that. So much of who I am is wrapped up in my love of my animals, my ability to provide and care for my family, and enjoying nature (exercise and being outside). All that could be taken away for quite a while if I got sick. I know it would not be that way for most others but for many it would as well.

Wear a mask.
 
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RSBM
Personally, it would be terrible for me to be sick like that. So much of who I am is wrapped up in my love of my animals, my ability to provide and care for my family, and enjoying nature (exercise and being outside). All that could be taken away for quite a while if I got sick. I know it would be be that way for most others but for many it would as well.

Wear a mask.


So simple, yes.

Here in Melbourne we have to wear properly fitting masks, no bandanas or scarves.

Secondly what is foolproof? Seatbelts aren’t foolproof. Condoms aren’t foolproof. Yet they both save millions of lives.

Why the hate on masks?

Tigerlily75, many folks have come to a conclusion as to "why the hate on masks", so I'll assume a rhetorical question? from you in Australia as to answering the prompt you have due to TOS. I would point you to the answer by google for such instead if you are a new member here inquiring.

It takes time to educate many individuals? Even then, some may not wear seatbelts or condoms. And then, even with laws,some still do not wear seatbelts. It's a very deep understanding of dynamics as to non compliance, and welcome to the thread!
 
  • #143
Here in Melbourne we have to wear properly fitting masks, no bandanas or scarves.

Secondly what is foolproof? Seatbelts aren’t foolproof. Condoms aren’t foolproof. Yet they both save millions of lives.

Why the hate on masks?

Isn’t it bizarre? The only time I’ve seen a fight this hard to get people to accept basic hygiene and safety protocols is with children and vaccines in the last few years. But even that pales in comparison with the incredible aversion to doing something so easy and simple to help prevent illness.

I’ve posted the research I did in late May on masks. This is not rocket science. Cloth masks (except gaiters), can contain or stop the aerosolization of droplets expelled by humans when they cough, sneeze, yell, sing, laugh. Is it 100%? Of course not. But it goes a long way toward preventing the spread into the atmosphere of the virus. And exposure to viral load is what makes us ill (the more exposure, the more likely to get sick and/or the more likely to get very sick).

Again, in the case of the two hairdressers who not only were positive for the virus when they worked on 169 customers, but were symptomatic, NONE of their customers got sick. Both hairstylists wore masks. One surgical masks. The other sometimes wore surgical masks and sometimes wore cloth masks.

The fact that this has to be a fight has shaken me and made me realize how little so many care about life. That saddens me.

Wear a mask, people.
 
  • #144
Chris Christie is super obese. Much more than the president.

Of course many of these people are probably getting expensive anti-body, anti-viral and antibiotic cocktails, like D. Trump. So, again, they have even better chances of weathering the storm well, when compared the the average person.

The chances of any of them passing away like Herman Cain, are low, as we all know. But ICU stays? Weeks or months incapacitated? Much higher odds, depending on their health status/pre-existing conditions.

For some, the risk isn’t a big deal. To me, having so many politicians and administration officials sick at once is a huge deal.

Personally, it would be terrible for me to be sick like that. So much of who I am is wrapped up in my love of my animals, my ability to provide and care for my family, and enjoying nature (exercise and being outside). All that could be taken away for quite a while if I got sick. I know it would be be that way for most others but for many it would as well.

Wear a mask.

Chris Christie also has severe adult-onset asthma. NJ Gov. Chris Christie Leaves Hospital After Asthma Scare, Says, 'I'm Fine'. He is even more vulnerable...
 
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Several years ago I read - I don’t have a link - that Chris Christie also has severe adult-onset asthma. If that is the case, he is even more vulnerable...

Oh my gosh. That’s scary:
Christie's asthma attack becomes national news, raises questions about governor's health

I’m so confused. I mean I listen to my doctor. She’s super smart. She doesn’t advocate things that are unnecessary. What’s with these people? They can’t follow basic health and sanitation advice? The guy is overweight and landed in the hospital with asthma and won’t wear a mask? Wth?

Mitch McConnell does. Why can’t these people who lead our country be reasonable and be role models?
 
  • #147
Isn’t it bizarre? The only time I’ve seen a fight this hard to get people to accept basic hygiene and safety protocols is with children and vaccines in the last few years. But even that pales in comparison with the incredible aversion to doing something so easy and simple to help prevent illness.

I’ve posted the research I did in late May on masks. This is not rocket science. Cloth masks (except gaiters), can contain or stop the aerosolization of droplets expelled by humans when they cough, sneeze, yell, sing, laugh. Is it 100%? Of course not. But it goes a long way toward preventing the spread into the atmosphere of the virus. And exposure to viral load is what makes us ill (the more exposure, the more likely to get sick and/or the more likely to get very sick).

Again, in the case of the two hairdressers who not only were positive for the virus when they worked on 169 customers, but were symptomatic, NONE of their customers got sick. Both hairstylists wore masks. One surgical masks. The other sometimes wore surgical masks and sometimes wore cloth masks.

The fact that this has to be a fight has shaken me and made me realize how little so many care about life. That saddens me.

Wear a mask, people.

Just want to thank you for posting your research findings in this thread--very helpful!

IMO, the politicization of mask wearing and ignoring science by government leaders is largely responsible for this country's failure to do what needs to be done. Plus there seem to be a lot of people all over the country who are resistant to learning the facts about Covid and taking personal responsibility to avoid getting or spreading it.

It is very distressing and frustrating.
MOO -- MOO -- MOO
 
  • #148
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As long as they’re telling them to show up with masks.

If Life Magazine was still alive and well, I think the photo that showed ALL of the Trump folks walking out to a wearing a mask when he was being taken away in a helicopter says it all.

That photo... is just the stuff that LIFE was made for.. to document changes that were earthshaking in the days we live.

And that photo MOO is one that is worthy.

ETA: For requirement to post a link, @gitana1 posted below thank you

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https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/80bc836a-5d14-468b-af17-883dbd200752-jpeg.266663/

MOO that photo will win an award.

As the saying goes, a photo is worth a thousand words.

HELP>>> can someone give me a link of it within 60 minutes so my posts doesn't go poof as to no link... I'll try to find! But would appreciate help if someone has at their fingertips
 
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So simple, yes.



Tigerlily75, many folks have come to a conclusion as to "why the hate on masks", so I'll assume a rhetorical question? from you in Australia as to answering the prompt you have due to TOS. I would point you to the answer by google for such instead if you are a new member here inquiring.

It takes time to educate many individuals? Even then, some may not wear seatbelts or condoms. And then, even with laws,some still do not wear seatbelts. It's a very deep understanding of dynamics as to non compliance, and welcome to the thread!

I think the big issue with the mask debate is on one side of the debate you have those who have a need to downplay the reality of the pandemic and on the other, those who believe you have to accept the reality in order to effectively deal with it.

The pandemic has hurt economies worldwide. Quite a bit. That was one of my first concerns on these threads when this was still just in China.

Shut downs were super controversial. So to avoid or prevent shut downs, the magnitude of the virus had to be downplayed.

Well you can’t downplay a virus while wearing a mask. Because that’s visual proof that the virus is a danger.

So, masks don’t work. Masks cause more harm than good. Masks are for scaredy cats. If you want to live in fear go ahead but I won’t. God will protect me. Etc.

What’s terribly ironic is that if people were educated and civic-minded enough to wear masks, our economy could have rebounded so much more quickly.


But IMO, the fact that people resisted staying at home and wearing masks until we could get the numbers low enough to effectively contact trace and isolate, and even now that places have opened up, refuse to wear masks and/or socially distance and/or be part of contract tracing efforts, means that we are going to continue to have serious issues with the economy.

I used to eat out a lot. I used to travel. But because people view not wearing a mask and not socially distancing as a badge of honor, I and many like me no longer do so and likely won’t for a long time.

I would feel much more confident if a) I knew most people wore masks in public when appropriate and b) I knew most people took this seriously. Then I would have less concern about being in public places, especially eating out when masks are not possible. Thus far in this entire pandemic I have gone out to eat only twice. The first time I wore my mask the whole time and took my food to go. The second I didn’t wear a mask.

Now I find myself deciding who to socialize with, how close I can get to them and whether we can do certain things like eating, based on how serious they take the virus. Including family.

I admire our American independence, defiance, individualism, fearlessness. Those things are wonderful attributes in many ways. But mostly when tempered by civic responsibility.

I’ve seen that sense of responsibility disappearing and that’s a shame. Despite all our historic issues and controversies, caring for one another and taking care of one another is actually something that has also been a cornerstone of the American character. You can see that in how people crawl out of the rubble after an earthquake or tornado and instantly go next door to try to rescue neighbors. Or how people risk their lives in floods, hurricanes and fires to rescue others. Often total strangers.

We need that ethos now.
 
  • #150
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Please say a prayer for the White House household staff..the butlers, housekeepers, florists, engineers, chefs, valets, etc. Many of them have worked in the White House for decades. They work so hard and aren't in the position to work from home.
 

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If Life Magazine was still alive and well, I think the photo that showed ALL of the Trump folks walking out to a wearing a mask when he was being taken away in a helicopter says it all.

That photo... is just the stuff that LIFE was made for.. to document changes that were earthshaking in the days we live.

And that photo MOO is one that is worthy.

MOO that photo will win an award.

As the saying goes, a photo is worth a thousand words.

HELP>>> can someone give me a link of it within 60 minutes so my posts doesn't go poof as to no link... I'll try to find! But would appreciate help if someone has at their fingertips

This one? (Aren’t some of these the same people who ignored the medical staff who requested that they wear masks at the debate?)
Trump at military hospital; new cases among allies emerge
 

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  • #153
RE close contact with Biden.

I don't believe that they have identified the original person to have done contact tracing through.. oh, but some may know as TWO folks said they were contacted and tested and/or isolated due to IMMEDIATE Wednesday notification to them.

I'm not sure we may EVER KNOW who the spreader was due to HIPAA?

Therefore, many may disagree, but at THIS time, I haven't seen anything to glean that Biden should be isolated as he doesn't fit criteria for such that I have seen. MOO exposure was at Rose Garden / around that time.

IIRC he was 15-20 feet from Biden who only did not wear a mask DURING the debate?

The doc said that Trump test positive 72 hours ago.

Fifteen or twenty feet is nothing if an infected person is speaking forcefully in your direction. We've seen the experiments of how far droplets carry when people talk at a normal level, laugh or yell.
 
  • #154
There seems to be a basic misunderstanding about tests. A negative result shows only that you are negative at one, singular point in time. You could be in the process of developing the infection and still test negative.

ETA: testing everyone right before an event takes time and doesn’t ensure that no one is positive i.e. the event is safe.
If your doctor says you don't need to quarantine, that's good enough surely?
 
  • #155
Fifteen or twenty feet is nothing if an infected person is speaking forcefully in your direction. We've seen the experiments of how far droplets carry when people talk at a normal level, laugh or yell.
Where is 15 and 20 feet coming from? It is 2 metres - we have it on signs everywhere we go.
 
  • #156
Where is 15 and 20 feet coming from? It is 2 metres - we have it on signs everywhere we go.
How do people safely travel in a car together if the safe distance is 2 meters?
 
  • #157
Thinking about whether Pence, Biden or others need to quarantine, the CDC guidelines state:

"For COVID-19, a close contact is defined as any individual who was within 6 feet of an infected person for at least 15 minutes starting from 2 days before illness onset (or, for asymptomatic patients, 2 days prior to positive specimen collection) until the time the patient is isolated."
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

So if I have it right, the debate was Tues evening, and Trump was diagnosed at 1 am Friday, that's more than two days, plus Biden was not within 6 feet anyway. He needs to receive the full-on nasal swab test if he feels any symptoms, or in the next couple of days when viral load might have developed enough to be measured.

We don't know much about Pence's contacts but last Saturday is too far back to required quarantine, according to CDC. Also, jmo, but I suspect Pence has been taking great care to social distance from team Trump and any of their contacts, just because his primary role is to be the backup in case this exact thing happens.

I also note the CDC guideline says nothing about whether either party, during contact, was or was not wearing a mask. The point is the time and the physical distance. IMO, this is because you can objectively measure time and distance, whereas 'wearing a mask' can involve wearing it incorrectly/ineffectually.
The most common ways we're wearing face masks incorrectly
 
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Chris Christie is super obese. Much more than the president.

Of course many of these people are probably getting expensive anti-body, anti-viral and antibiotic cocktails, like D. Trump. So, again, they have even better chances of weathering the storm well, when compared the the average person.

The chances of any of them passing away like Herman Cain, are low, as we all know. But ICU stays? Weeks or months incapacitated? Much higher odds, depending on their health status/pre-existing conditions.

For some, the risk isn’t a big deal. To me, having so many politicians and administration officials sick at once is a huge deal.

Personally, it would be terrible for me to be sick like that. So much of who I am is wrapped up in my love of my animals, my ability to provide and care for my family, and enjoying nature (exercise and being outside). All that could be taken away for quite a while if I got sick. I know it would not be that way for most others but for many it would as well.

Wear a mask.

BBM

Trump receives experimental antibody treatment for Covid-19 diagnosis

Yes absolutely!

The Top experimental treatments.

No guarantees though. But his doctors will go at it with gun's blazing...
 
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@yashar
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Please say a prayer for the White House household staff..the butlers, housekeepers, florists, engineers, chefs, valets, etc. Many of them have worked in the White House for decades. They work so hard and aren't in the position to work from home.

Aww. Will do. And there is also staff attending to the the president at Walter Reed. Not just hospital staff. God bless them.
 
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