Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #81

[BeckyF]

I’d be interested to know the treatment regimen for the other people in his circle who tested positive in the last week. This information would be helpful for everyone.

If the POTUS is feeling remarkably better after just a couple of days, he must have a mild case of the virus or the drugs being administered are remarkably effective. Jmo

 

[mickey2942]

I’d be interested to know the treatment regimen for the other people in his circle who tested positive in the last week. This information would be helpful for everyone.

If the POTUS is feeling remarkably better after just a couple of days, he must have a mild case of the virus or the drugs being administered are remarkably effective. Jmo

Everyone who has health insurance. Most people don't. And those who do, were told in most cases to just go home and take some Thera-Flu. Only people who were having problems breathing were admitted, and by that time, it was too late for the drugs to help.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I didn't say they have an ICU at the White House.

nooooo... I am saying it is hard to set up a true full compliance ICU- environment outside of a formal hospital setting, and without multiple staff available in case of an emergency.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I dont think we will ever know. More. IMO

ITA!

We must remember too we've had over 7 million people contract this virus.

It can.. has....and will continue to happen to all walks of life.

I've read numerous stories for months about those who have died, and they took all precautions adhering strictly to CDC guidelines. They still got it with many passing away.

I don't blame our President or anyone around him any more than I blame all of the other 7 million plus American citizens who has contracted it.

I place the full blame on China!

I do pray for them all or the families who've lost precious loved ones, and those who have it now, and are in serious condition.

Imo, it can happen to anyone no matter how much they try to protect themselves.

God bless them all.

Jmhoo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I'm not sure we will ever really know where it started.

Just look how careful the NFL has been yet more, and more are contracting the virus.

Jmho

But they must TRY and work very hard at it. With so many infected already they have to do extremely dynamic contact tracing... too too many people were around all these folks who are not infected.

 

[gitana1]

Sorry to hear this. I know you are one who is doing the right thing. How frustrating it must be to have it undermined by the noncompliant nincompoops around you. Perhaps this person with the chalk covered vehicle will wise up now that certain top government people are infected, and take his truck through the carwash.

On one note, I was in line at the local coffee shop back when they were first allowed to reopen, and an older gentlemen came in with mask only covering his mouth. The baristas stood back from him but said nothing. The next time I went, there were signs with drawings posted on the door and windows about how to and how not to wear a mask. Nose hanging out was a no-no. Now they have no trouble pointing it out. Even the neighborhood farm stands will require you to leave unless a mask is worn.

I doubt he will change his mind. He will use the recovery of the president and his inner circle as proof this is just the flu. In the meantime, a client of mine who got this (age 41), went to the ER with 107 temp. That’s no typo. 107. He was given medication to lower his temp to 105 AND SENT HOME.

Now to be fair, this was early on in the pandemic (late March) and in LA which was overrun. But we have seen that many still can’t even get a test (depending on location) let alone the kind of aggressive, preventative care the elite our able to receive.

But those intent on downplaying this virus will, IMO, do whatever they can to ignore the truth. “But there are clinical trials! But it is approved for treatment!” Etc. Etc.

In the meantime, the average American is NOT given that level of care. They can’t be. Remedesvir, for example, is in short supply. And it is unethical to give experimental treatments to masses of people.

Here's what is known about Trump’s COVID-19 treatment | Science | AAAS

What Is the Prognosis for President Trump? | KQED

Hospitals running short of remdesivir for Covid-19 patients - STAT

On October 1, 2020, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) revised the Emergency Use Authorization for Veklury removing the U.S. government’s role in directing the allocation of the drug. The revised EUA identifies Gilead Sciences, Inc. and its authorized distributors as the responsible parties for the distribution of Veklury.

The current supply of Veklury exceeds market demand as evidenced by recent allocation numbers from HHS’ Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR). ASPR’s records indicate that of the 500,000 treatment courses made available in the United States between July and September 2020, state and territorial health departments accepted 84 percent of their allocations (423,765 treatment courses); however, only 32 percent (160,981 treatment courses) of the total allocation was actually purchased by hospitals in their jurisdictions.
Veklury (remdesivir) Now Available Directly from Distributor following Trump Administration’s Successful Allocations to States and U.S. Territories

 

[squareandrabbet]

Thanks for that. The aspirin may be to prevent blood clotting and the famotidine may be to prevent excess acid sometimes caused by aspirin. I know that because I cannot take aspirin or ibuprofen due to an ulcer I had some years ago. If I do have to take them, which I avoid, I must take a similar medication too, which i cannot remember the name of.

agreed, my mother does zinc lozenges with colds and they give me esophageal reflux like mad; to the point where I prefer to suffer through colds rather than resort to them. Maybe it is a universal trait of zinc supplements of any kind.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

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Concerning an exponential rise in UK cases.

Rt goes to about 1.4-1.5 with a daily increase of about 5-10% in the Rt (that Rt is from Friday - it's Sunday, so some sources are saying current Rt rate is over 2. The graph of numbers reflects that it has gone over 2 (exponential).

The R number and growth rate in the UK

The map below is from last week (ended Friday, I believe), so does not include the past 2 days. Hopefully, the graph above is due to the "glitch" (about which little is known) but you can see that even before that, UK had quickly reached a level of new cases higher than that in May.

Covid cases and deaths today: coronavirus UK map

Sunday papers are often slow to update on science/health news, but there are certainly places to read about this. I am not familiar enough with UK journalism to know which MSM are reliable, but the BBC appears to have an explanation (not for the Rt which is studied entirely different to merely tallying cases).

Somehow, UK apparently missed out on reporting over 13,000 cases of CoVid and 49 deaths in September. I'm not sure I understand the reasons, exactly, or whether they know they've fixed the problem (the map linked above was from before this "glitch" was fixed).

Here's an article based on the pre-glitch (unfixed numbers) on which the Rt is based (some say the Rt will have to go higher after the glitch has been fixed - Rt is typically not based on the last 24-48 hours):

Coronavirus: Why are rates rising in some areas of England and not others?

As you can see, there's good research and analysis going on as to why this is happening, but we're seeing something similar in places like Montana and Utah. When CV first comes to an area, it often spreads rapidly and without restraint, and then pops into view as it reaches more vulnerable populations.

wow......
Somehow, UK apparently missed out on reporting over 13,000 cases of CoVid and 49 deaths in September. I'm not sure I understand the reasons, exactly, or whether they know they've fixed the problem (the map linked above was from before this "glitch" was fixed).

 

[abeaman02]

I don't blame our President or anyone around him any more than I blame all of the other 7 million plus American citizens who has contracted it.

Thank you @oceanblueeyes I agree. A big issue for me during this pandemic is the amount of blame being passed around. It is something that people find easy to do in any situation until the same thing happens to them. Then at that point all we want is understanding. So I trying to do my best in not placing blame and praying for an end to this deadly disease.

 

[Trino]

And on it goes. Wearing a mask is apparently akin to living your life in a basement.

A top adviser to President Donald Trump's campaign on Sunday ridiculed 2020 Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's mask-wearing even as President Donald Trump remains hospitalized with Covid-19.

"We can't all just stay in our basement for the rest of our lives," Jason Miller said, mentioning what's been a Republican point of mockery of Biden for holding virtual events during the pandemic. "We have to get out there and live our lives and take this on ... You can't just stay hidden in your basement the entire time."

Top Trump campaign official ridicules Joe Biden's mask-wearing after president, allies infected

 

[Cool Cats]

White House Rose Garden Event Was Ground Zero for COVID Super-spreader

Trump, 14 others positive for COVID: A running list of those being tested and their results

Who has tested positive:

• President Donald Trump
  
  
• First lady Melania Trump
  
  
• Hope Hicks, senior adviser to the president
  
  
• Bill Stepien, Trump’s campaign manager
  
  
• Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel
  
  
• Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah
  
  
• Sen. Thom Tillis, R-North Carolina
  
  
• Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisconsin
  
  
• Chris Christie, former New Jersey governor who helped Trump with debate prep
  
  
• Three White House reporters
  
  
• One White House staffer
  
  
• Kellyanne Conway, former White House senior adviser
  
  
• The Rev. John Jenkins, president of Notre Dame University (Jenkins was at the White House Saturday, when Trump introduced Judge Amy Coney Barrett as his Supreme Court nominee. Barrett was a law professor at Notre Dame for 15 years before Trump nominated her to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit.)

The line of succession: What happens if Trump's COVID gets worse? Line of succession and transfer of power explained

COVID-19: Which members of Congress have tested positive for coronavirus?

 

[10ofRods]

The use of famotidine in treating CoVid is an off schedule use (it's not used to prevent an acid stomach, it has a direct effect on the course of the disease):

Efficacy of Famotidine for COVID-19: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis

Of course, a nice benefit is that it does make the patient more comfortable (though not sure it's really acid that causes stomach problems with aspirin - aspirin is itself the direct agent).

Aspirin is given when a patient may not need or support being given heparin, to thin the blood and dissolve micro blood clots (no evidence that I know of that aspirin prevents said clots).

The microclots are a common cause of lower blood oxygen in CoVid (and of shortness of breath).

 

[musicaljoke]

nooooo... I am saying it is hard to set up a true full compliance ICU- environment outside of a formal hospital setting, and without multiple staff available in case of an emergency.

Indeed it is. Add to this that it would need to be an infectious disease ward with all the proper ventilation, waste management, etc., and staffed by health care workers who are specifically trained in communicable diseases in order to protect all others in the WH.

I just can't see any good thing resulting from going back to the WH at this point. Does anyone think Trump would self-quarantine?

 

[Tadpole12]

I'm scared.

Canada ‘desperately’ needs people to dig in, stay home in coronavirus fight: Qualtrough

It's okay to be scared.
Hugs.

What's allowed and not allowed under Ontario's stricter social gathering limits

If the policy is still valid 10 person max for indoor gatherings,
But keeping in mind the increase in cases post mother's day, and that 4 out of 10 persons in a group could be asymptomatic; just best to keep it small, this year.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

ITA!

We must remember too we've had over 7 million people contract this virus.

It can.. has....and will continue to happen to all walks of life.

I've read numerous stories for months about those who have died, and they took all precautions adhering strictly to CDC guidelines. They still got it with many passing away.

I don't blame our President or anyone around him any more than I blame all of the other 7 million plus American citizens who has contracted it.

I place the full blame on China!

I do pray for them all or the families who've lost precious loved ones, and those who have it now, and are in serious condition.

Imo, it can happen to anyone no matter how much they try to protect themselves.

God bless them all.

Jmhoo

Well, i politely disagree....

A large percentage of the world blames the US for the Iraq War, the Vietnam War, and not getting onboard with International Climate Change efforts......

blaming gets us nothing in the form of solutions.

We MUST work together internationally to fight this virus.
AND it never had to be this bad in the USA.
We could have done so much more.

 

[Simply Southern]

I doubt he will change his mind. He will use the recovery of the president and his inner circle as proof this is just the flu. In the meantime, a client of mine who got this (age 41), went to the ER with 107 temp. That’s no typo. 107. He was given medication to lower his temp to 105 AND SENT HOME.

Now to be fair, this was early on in the pandemic (late March) and in LA which was overrun. But we have seen that many still can’t even get a test (depending on location) let alone the kind of aggressive, preventative care the elite our able to receive.

But those intent on downplaying this virus will, IMO, do whatever they can to ignore the truth. “But there are clinical trials! But it is approved for treatment!” Etc. Etc.

In the meantime, the average American is NOT given that level of care. They can’t be. Remedesvir, for example, is in short supply. And it is unethical to give experimental treatments to masses of people.

Here's what is known about Trump’s COVID-19 treatment | Science | AAAS

What Is the Prognosis for President Trump? | KQED

Hospitals running short of remdesivir for Covid-19 patients - STAT

On October 1, 2020, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) revised the Emergency Use Authorization for Veklury removing the U.S. government’s role in directing the allocation of the drug. The revised EUA identifies Gilead Sciences, Inc. and its authorized distributors as the responsible parties for the distribution of Veklury.

The current supply of Veklury exceeds market demand as evidenced by recent allocation numbers from HHS’ Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR). ASPR’s records indicate that of the 500,000 treatment courses made available in the United States between July and September 2020, state and territorial health departments accepted 84 percent of their allocations (423,765 treatment courses); however, only 32 percent (160,981 treatment courses) of the total allocation was actually purchased by hospitals in their jurisdictions.
Veklury (remdesivir) Now Available Directly from Distributor following Trump Administration’s Successful Allocations to States and U.S. Territories

The article states it is no longer in short supply.
Even my little hospital in "podinkville" had Remdesivir early on and continues to use it.

Its very sad the care your friend received.

I worked for a company that compounded a drug combo under an FDA EA, we never had a limit. We produced thousands of doses per week. Never heard of a limit, once the EA is issued.

Would you have a link for the limit of use for EAs issued by FDA?

 

[gitana1]

ITA!

We must remember too we've had over 7 million people contract this virus.

It can.. has....and will continue to happen to all walks of life.

I've read numerous stories for months about those who have died, and they took all precautions adhering strictly to CDC guidelines. They still got it with many passing away.

I don't blame our President or anyone around him any more than I blame all of the other 7 million plus American citizens who has contracted it.

I place the full blame on China!

I do pray for them all or the families who've lost precious loved ones, and those who have it now, and are in serious condition.

Imo, it can happen to anyone no matter how much they try to protect themselves.

God bless them all.

Jmhoo

You have my utmost respect. I value you so much!

So hopefully you won't be upset by me disagreeing.

Our president openly mocked mask wearing. He has failed to model that or social distancing. And over and over, science shows definitively that both work radically to reduce the risk.

Obviously politicians are at higher risk due to the fact that they really can't isolate. So it's hard to place blame on them if they contract it. However, the other issue is failing to be role models and actively work to reduce the risk, and instead cavalierly fail to follow scientific protocols, while knowing they have access to treatments unavailable to the rest of us.

I believe that's wrong.

China didn't intentionally create this virus (as far as we know). But they are to blame for downplaying it and hiding facts about it, even going so far as to punish the brave doctor whistleblower who dared to publish the truth about what he was seeing. (He died. 37 years old. Healthy. And he died.)

But we are also to blame for not having leadership willingly to calmly, consistently and sincerely relay the science and model preventative behavior. That cost us thousands of lives, IMO.

I do feel that sort of indicating that since it can happen to anyone no matter how much they protect themselves, criticism for failure to follow health, safety and sanitation guidelines is misplaced, is not quite reasonable. To me that's kind of like saying someone who got terribly hurt in a car accident while drinking and driving and not wearing a seatbelt, bears no responsibility for those failures.

We need leadership that promotes the safety and welfare of all. Wearing a mask and trying to maintain distance as much as possible greatly reduces the risk. We have seen that repeatedly.

But the entire first family, except the first lady (thank God), refused to wear masks to the debates, despite the medical professionals at the Cleveland Clinic asking them to. They flat refused.

So my point is, wear a seatbelt. Don't drive drunk. Especially when you're a famous race car driver, drive fast for a living and everyone is watching you.

 

[Knitty]

ITA!

We must remember too we've had over 7 million people contract this virus.

It can.. has....and will continue to happen to all walks of life.

I've read numerous stories for months about those who have died, and they took all precautions adhering strictly to CDC guidelines. They still got it with many passing away.

I don't blame our President or anyone around him any more than I blame all of the other 7 million plus American citizens who has contracted it.

I place the full blame on China!

I do pray for them all or the families who've lost precious loved ones, and those who have it now, and are in serious condition.

Imo, it can happen to anyone no matter how much they try to protect themselves.

God bless them all.

Jmhoo

I think the number of people who "took all precautions adhering strictly to CDC guidelines" and nevertheless got COVID-19, with many passing away is quite low indeed. This is my opinion. Do you have links to numerous cases?

 

[Tiff23fr]

@gitana1 would you be willing to offer a perspective?

Do the Mayor/Local Government Mandates include government facilitates such as the White House or are they excluded?

https://mayor.dc.gov/sites/default/...80 Wearing Masks in DC to Prevent COVID19.pdf

 

[squareandrabbet]

Aside: In a pantheon of meaningless, bad, and confusing drug names perpetrated by pharmaceutical co's, I think "Veklury" is a standout. What were they thinking?? What layperson is going to use that in daily conversation discussing the pandemic with their friends and family?