Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #82

[musicaljoke]

See the above comments - people are already interpreting it quite differently.

::Sigh::

If only he would wear a mask all the time while he's still in the contagious phase...

Maybe he took it off because he couldn't breathe. I think he is very ill trying to appear strong.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

every single time we have seen him around other people he’s had his mask on. I really don’t get your issue. Who exactly has he put in danger here by standing on the balcony on his own without his mask on???

I can't speak for the times that you have seen him. But this isn't true. But let's agree to disagree.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Scroll and roll
Night folks

Cya

 

[CharlestonGal]

I would like to see video because as we saw in the rose garden just last week - there was no consideration displayed and certainly not a mandatory mask order - nothing has changed IMO and the taking off of his mask just confirms it - I would feel so much better had he left it on and waved signaling to everyone “I’m positive and I care about who I may come in contact with and I have my mask on” it would have meant so much
JMO

That's why I'm concerned about possible cognitive impairment. Given the seriousness of the totality of the situation, the behavior you so aptly describe in your post is frankly bizarre. It reveals a disconnect, an impairment in ability to reality test. I'm highly suspicious the barrage of drugs is affecting him mentally. Or covid has set up shop in his central nervous system. I dearly hope someone is closely monitoring him 24/7. This is so not good.

 

[LadyL]

Maybe he took it off because he couldn't breathe. I think he is very ill trying to appear strong.

that's exactly my impression
it's concerning
he doesn't look well at all to me

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Two more today

Shimon Prokupecz[URL='https://twitter.com/ShimonPro']@ShimonPro[/URL]
Two of Kayleigh McEnany's deputies, Chad Gilmartin and Karoline Leavitt, have also tested positive for coronavirus, two sources tell CNN.

 

[Trino]

But weeks before their diagnoses, two housekeepers at the White House also tested positive for COVID-19. And while they worked on a different floor than where the first family stays, they were told to use "discretion" and avoid talking about their illness, The New York Times reports.

Around 90 "ushers, butlers, housekeepers, valets, florists, engineers and cooks" make up the White House's permanent residence staff and usually stay on the job from president to president, The Washington Post details. "Discretion" is always a "key component" of their job, and "speaking out about anything, including working conditions, can be a cause for dismissal," the Post continues. But former staffers have come out to say they fear the first family hasn't worn masks around staffers, even in the residence's tight hallways,

Wonder how old the venilation system at the White House is. IMO the entire WH should be on lockdown.

White House residence staffers who caught coronavirus were reportedly told to keep it quiet

 

[Trino]

Watching Trump take off his mask at the WH, he appears to be gasping for air just after he removes it.

 

[oviedo]

I would like to see video because as we saw in the rose garden just last week - there was no consideration displayed and certainly not a mandatory mask order - nothing has changed IMO and the taking off of his mask just confirms it - I would feel so much better had he left it on and waved signaling to everyone “I’m positive and I care about who I may come in contact with and I have my mask on” it would have meant so much
JMO

That's why I'm concerned about possible cognitive impairment. Given the seriousness of the totality of the situation, the behavior you so aptly describe in your post is frankly bizarre. It reveals a disconnect, an impairment in ability to reality test. I'm highly suspicious the barrage of drugs is affecting him mentally. Or covid has set up shop in his central nervous system. I dearly hope someone is closely monitoring him 24/7. This is so not good.

Wow now I know I said good night but this is very alarming and something I honestly never ever considered - and many of our sleuthers have posted the potentially dangerous side effects of the experimental drugs our president was given - please let him be monitored by physicians
JMO

 

[tresir2012]

Best statement today.

Dr. Leana Wen, an ER physician and CNN medical analyst, tweeted that if Trump were her patient, "in unstable condition + contagious illness, & he suddenly left the hospital to go for a car ride that endangers himself & others: I'd call security to restrain him then perform a psychiatric evaluation to examine his decision-making capacity."

Inside President Trump's Walter Reed parade - CNNPolitics

How did he endanger himself and others?

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You can look at it either way. By "label" we mean "that entire set of facts known to the FDA when they release the drug for use":

The WH started using the tests despite the manufacturer's early warnings that it was as much as 50% inaccurate in asymptomatic cases. First, the FDA wouldn't approve it for use among the asymptomatic but then bowed to WH pressure and within a day or two, the WH had purchased 150,000,000 tests. They are available on the open market now and hundreds of thousands of people are using these tests before parties, before sporting events, etc.

I posted some of these as the story unfolded, but the top one is new here, I think:

A New Era of Coronavirus Testing Is About to Begin

You can read here what the FDA said (that a negative result should be followed by a PCR test, as all the early results said that false negatives were so high):

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Informs Public About Possible Accuracy Concerns with Abbott ID NOW Point-of-Care Test

The IDSA voiced very specific concerns:

Rapid Testing

No where has any research shown that the tests work well on the asymptomatic...and I do believe that all are advised if they test negative to follow up with a PCR test (which of course Trump finally did = perhaps after finally getting a positive on the rapid test).

The WH are following up with a PCR test according to the Trump situation. But you are saying there are false negatives so how can they determine which those are? If you mean some positives are slipping thru the WH testing regime as negatives, can you provide evidence of this? And what percentage and what are they doing about it?

 

[10ofRods]

COVID-19 and the risk of suicide
The emotional and psychological impacts of the pandemic can lead to feelings of hopelessness and thoughts about suicide. Learn the signs and what to do.



Some are saying we must fear Covid-19. Could that fear contribute to suicides?

Are you thinking about suicide or do you know someone who is?

Suicide is usually related to depression not excess fear. However, paranoia (which is definitely a side effect of actual CoVid - which has affected at least 30% more people than we know about) is associated with suicide.

So if by "fear," you mean "extreme fear" (paranoia), then yes. I am too old and my knee is too wonky for me to do Angel's in Zion - I would definitely be afraid (but not paranoid). If I saw a car heading at me, as a pedestrian, yep, I'd feel fear (but that's not the same thing as chronic fear - or did you mean anxiety?)

Anxiety is a response to an actual stimulus in most people (if you get anxious for no reason, that's a marker for a psychiatric consult). Most of us get anxious sometimes, but it has to be severe (according to studies) before it triggers suicide. Young people who are anxious about coming out to their parents, for example, can be studied both physiologically and psychologically - and they are way more likely to be suicidal.

Since CoVid may be worrying to some people (lots of us, actually - I sure have been), then for some people, yes, anxiety leads to suicide. But in the studies we've done at our college, it's not CoVId per se that's the issue for the suicidal young people.

Keep in mind that it's mostly young people who are causing the bump up in suicide. They're not worried about getting CoVid. You could argue that the lockdown is causing it - but research shows that the general situation was (for them) already dire and difficult.

The reason most given in my college system of some 100,000 students within survey reach - is environmental.

Global warming. Fires, Death of wildlife. The need to find jobs that are sustainable. The desire not to work in industries they perceive as damaging to Earth.

Fear is acute and startling; anxiety is less and more chronic - but panic attacks are both. Most people who have panic attacks also have biochemistry/genes that predispose them...

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Suicide is usually related to depression not excess fear. However, paranoia (which is definitely a side effect of actual CoVid - which has affected at least 30% more people than we know about) is associated with suicide.

So if by "fear," you mean "extreme fear" (paranoia), then yes. I am too old and my knee is too wonky for me to do Angel's in Zion - I would definitely be afraid (but not paranoid). If I saw a car heading at me, as a pedestrian, yep, I'd feel fear (but that's not the same thing as chronic fear - or did you mean anxiety?)

Anxiety is a response to an actual stimulus in most people (if you get anxious for no reason, that's a marker for a psychiatric consult). Most of us get anxious sometimes, but it has to be severe (according to studies) before it triggers suicide. Young people who are anxious about coming out to their parents, for example, can be studied both physiologically and psychologically - and they are way more likely to be suicidal.

Since CoVid may be worrying to some people (lots of us, actually - I sure have been), then for some people, yes, anxiety leads to suicide. But in the studies we've done at our college, it's not CoVId per se that's the issue for the suicidal young people.

Keep in mind that it's mostly young people who are causing the bump up in suicide. They're not worried about getting CoVid. You could argue that the lockdown is causing it - but research shows that the general situation was (for them) already dire and difficult.

The reason most given in my college system of some 100,000 students within survey reach - is environmental.

Global warming. Fires, Death of wildlife. The need to find jobs that are sustainable. The desire not to work in industries they perceive as damaging to Earth.

Fear is acute and startling; anxiety is less and more chronic - but panic attacks are both. Most people who have panic attacks also have biochemistry/genes that predispose them...

I'm not saying anything other than what's in the Mayo Clinic link I provided.

 

[tresir2012]

Here's another article (from Nature) that perhaps is a little clearer on the rapid test issue. The upshot is that positives can be trusted, negatives cannot be trusted...

Fast coronavirus tests: what they can and can’t do

Of course if it was the other way round it would be OK.

 

[BeckyF]

Have you tried NAC (the supplement - that aids in boosting the immune system, I'm presuming maybe you're my age - it really helps people after a viral onslaught).

I'm so sorry you have the fatigue days. All you can do is rest, but sometimes others are not very understanding.

Did you have occasional headaches before?

I take NAC twice a day and it has been helpful. I have a lung condition.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Fox News’ Chris Wallace tests negative for coronavirus after moderating last week’s presidential debate

Good for him. And I'm glad Mr. Biden continues to test negative, too.

 

[SouthAussie]

Dr. Sean P. Conley, the White House physician, said it would not be clear until Oct. 12 whether Mr. Trump is over the hump of his virus.

Trump’s Campaign Saw an Opportunity. He Undermined It.
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[Trino]

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"That should never have happened," one current Secret Service agent who works on the presidential and first family detail said after Trump's drive-by, adding that those agents who went along for the ride would now be required to quarantine.
"I mean, I wouldn't want to be around them," the agent said, expressing a view that multiple people at the Secret Service also voiced in the wake of Sunday's appearance. "The frustration with how we're treated when it comes to decisions on this illness goes back before this though. We're not disposable."

Inside President Trump's Walter Reed parade - CNNPolitics

 

[Trino]

Trump is a nose breather. When he arrives at the White House and removes his mask, he opens his mouth for more air. That's a sign he needs oxygen. Guess the next few days will tell, but will we be told?

 

[Yvettea]

IMO he isn’t having any trouble breathing here:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1313267615083761665?s=21

Wonder when this (just posted to Twitter) was recorded.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Trump is a nose breather. When he arrives at the White House and removes his mask, he opens his mouth for more air. That's a sign he needs oxygen. Guess the next few days will tell, but will we be told?

I do the same thing when I take off my mask. I wear it, but it makes me feel like I can’t breathe very well.