Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #82

[tresir2012]

I have posted it twice for you. BRB to do for the third time. Or perhaps you cannot see my posts so someone else will have to respond to it for you to see as that sometimes happens on the threads.

BRB with a third post... of the same information I have done..

ETA: Even post #138 on this thread

"Yes, we discussed a few days back on the thread.

The White House relied on a rapid test, but used it in a way it was not intended.

But one product they use, Abbott’s ID Now, was never intended for that purpose and is known to deliver incorrect results. In issuing an emergency use authorization, the Food and Drug Administration said the test was only to be used by a health care provider “within the first seven days of symptoms.”

The ID Now has several qualities in its favor: It’s portable, doesn’t need skilled technicians to operate and delivers results in 15 minutes. Used to evaluate someone with symptoms, the test can quickly and easily diagnose Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

But in people who are infected but not yet showing symptoms, the test is much less accurate, missing as many as one in three cases.

I can see your posts. But I have missed a lot recently and have posted intermittently due to personal reasons so am still catching up. I think I remember this link so thanks for reposting to give me a refresher.

Is this the test that the WH use?

COVID-19 Update: FDA Authorizes First Diagnostic Test Where Results Can Be Read Directly From Testing Card

Taking COVID-19 Testing to a New Level | Abbott U.S.

I don't think this new one is the one shown in the article. I think that is the ID NOW test and here is a study.

Performance of Abbott ID Now COVID-19 Rapid Nucleic Acid Amplification Test Using Nasopharyngeal Swabs Transported in Viral Transport Media and Dry Nasal Swabs in a New York City Academic Institution

 

[JerseyGirl]

Murray's Restaurant Says 13 Employees In Quarantine After Working Trump Fundraiser At Cambria CEO's Home

Two more prominent Minnesota Republican politicians who came close to Trump during his visit said they had tested negative. Minnesota Senate Majority Leader Paul Gazelka and U.S. Senate candidate Jason Lewis both issued statements saying they got their test results back Monday. Both were part of the committee that greeted Trump as he got off Air Force One in Minneapolis. Also with them was House Minority Leader Kurt Daudt, who announced Saturday that he had tested negative. They’ve said that they did not shake hands with the president and remained several feet away from him during the encounter, which lasted under five minutes.

Gazelka said he’s following his doctor’s advice and continuing to limit his activities. He said he would get tested again later this week to confirm the results.

Lewis said he will return to the campaign trail.

Three GOP congressmen who flew with Trump on Air Force One to his rally in Duluth and back to Washington — Reps. Tom Emmer, Pete Stauber and Jim Hagedorn — reported Friday that they had tested negative. Lewis joined them for the flight to Duluth.

The three congressmen have come under criticism for taking a regular Delta Air Lines flight home to Minnesota on Friday night.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Why do you think this is? Colleges? Elementary - High Schools?

Sorry, I know I need to research, forgot where you are from. Take care.

UK, Coolcats.

Certainly, 12 million children returning to school can't have helped (along with many parents able to go back to work). And then there are a couple of million university students doing pub crawls and socialising non stop. Add in a dollop of foreign travel and a splash of good ol' fashioned complacency and I think we have our answer.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Ok so that looks like it is equivalent to doubling every 10 days IMO.
7, 14, 28, 56.

Yeah, roughly. Let's hope that trend doesn't continue or we'll be nudging towards 500 a day in a months time. Ish. Right?

 

[Cool Cats]

UK, Coolcats.

Certainly, 12 million children returning to school can't have helped (along with many parents able to go back to work). And then there are a couple of million university students doing pub crawls and socialising non stop. Add in a dollop of foreign travel and a splash of good ol' fashioned complacency and I think we have our answer.

Thanks CMCagney, I like to hear about other Countries, I'm in
Michigan, Northern Midwest USA ....burrr...storm window time!

 

[JerseyGirl]

U.S. Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina said that he’s regained his senses of taste and smell, recovering from symptoms of COVID-19 after testing positive late last week.

“I feel great,” Tillis tweeted, adding that while he’s no longer exhibiting any symptoms, he will continue to self-isolate.

Tillis is among several people who tested positive for the coronavirus days after attending the Supreme Court nomination ceremony for Amy Coney Barrett at the White House on Sept. 26.

Tillis was wearing a mask during the outside ceremony and has supported mask use. A New York Times photo taken inside the White House showed a maskless Tillis speaking to Barrett.

Tillis, seeking reelection, has temporary halted in-person campaigning, and several campaign staff went into quarantine.

North Carolina Sen. Tillis says he has no COVID-19 symptoms

 

[Sundog]

If a person with a disability is not able to wear a face mask ...

Examples of reasonable modifications to a face mask policy

• Allow a person to wear a scarf, loose face covering, or full face shield instead of a face mask;
  
• Allow customers to order online with curbside pick-up or no contact delivery in a timely manner;
• Allow customers to order by phone with curb-side pick-up or no contact delivery in a timely manner;
• Allow a person to wait in a car for an appointment and enter the building when called or texted; or
• Offer appointments by telephone or video calls.

Disability Issues Brief: The ADA and Face Mask Policies

We don't allow face shields in lieu of face masks. We provide reasonable accommodations to students who can't wear face masks, but wearing face shields is not one of them, this would put other students in their classes, and faculty and staff, at risk. So we offer them access to technology and virtual classes. We also offer telehealth and telecounseling as well, and we work with student affairs' staff to help them get books from the library or to use the student food pantry, etc.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Thanks CMCagney, I like to hear about other Countries, I'm in
Michigan, Northern Midwest USA ....burrr...storm window time!

I can’t imagine having that to worry about as well!

 

[tresir2012]

Yeah, roughly. Let's hope that trend doesn't continue or we'll be nudging towards 500 a day in a months time. Ish. Right?

53, 106, 212, 424

Yep :-(

 

[tresir2012]

Murray's Restaurant Says 13 Employees In Quarantine After Working Trump Fundraiser At Cambria CEO's Home

Two more prominent Minnesota Republican politicians who came close to Trump during his visit said they had tested negative. Minnesota Senate Majority Leader Paul Gazelka and U.S. Senate candidate Jason Lewis both issued statements saying they got their test results back Monday. Both were part of the committee that greeted Trump as he got off Air Force One in Minneapolis. Also with them was House Minority Leader Kurt Daudt, who announced Saturday that he had tested negative. They’ve said that they did not shake hands with the president and remained several feet away from him during the encounter, which lasted under five minutes.

Gazelka said he’s following his doctor’s advice and continuing to limit his activities. He said he would get tested again later this week to confirm the results.

Lewis said he will return to the campaign trail.

Three GOP congressmen who flew with Trump on Air Force One to his rally in Duluth and back to Washington — Reps. Tom Emmer, Pete Stauber and Jim Hagedorn — reported Friday that they had tested negative. Lewis joined them for the flight to Duluth.

The three congressmen have come under criticism for taking a regular Delta Air Lines flight home to Minnesota on Friday night.

Is 5 minutes outdoors a big enough viral load to catch Covid?

Even if you wear a mask, what about the eyes?

Risk of Coronavirus Transmission is Lower Outdoors, Experts Say

 

[CSIDreamer]

Is 5 minutes outdoors a big enough viral load to catch Covid?

It isn't supposed to be. 15 minutes inside is the "gold standard".

 

[sds71]

Regeneron Co-Founder: 'No side-effects' from our treatment with Trump's other meds

 

[mickey2942]

He's there as a precaution. Normal people with COVID, including those with asthma, would not be admitted.

That is what has angered me the most about this situation. People who have "elite" status, the "1%", or whatever we call them. They have been given royal treatment. Everyone else, was told to go home, take some flu medication.

I wonder if these two teachers would be alive if they had been given access to the same level of care.

Funeral held for South Carolina teachers who died of COVID | wltx.com

 

[Cool Cats]

I can’t imagine having that to worry about as well!

Ha! I like it ... Cool weather is great. But then again, so is the Gulf Coast of Florida with all the great shells and sand dollars..etc..

To keep on subject:

Michigan Dems Brace for Disaster After Court Blocks Guv’s COVID Restrictions

The thing is this:

I hope it doesn't mean our Governor's mask mandate is in the toilet. Because of her mask mandate I see many store signs saying that masks are required to enter. Here, in the Capital City, most people I see are wearing masks in stores.

Here's the thing I noticed - it took a governor mandate for this to happen.

What the government's of each State put in place with masks and social distancing etc.. does make a difference.

It just does people. Seen it up close and personal. I have examples but will spare you!

 

[squareandrabbet]

I've tried to watch all of Biden's speeches and I've yet to see him wear a mask that fits. It seems he has to adjust them after every couple of words. Constantly touching the mask which we aren't supposed to do. Not only is it not safe IMO but it distracts from what he's saying and blurs the message. I don't understand why Jill or his campaign people haven't found a mask that fits properly and stays in place. Find one that works and then keep multiples in stock. That's what I did for my husband and he's not running for the presidency.

Manhattan has got a shocking amount of people running around with masks slung underneath their chin(s) like a hammock.

Also some people who never wear them.

Cuomo has not yet walked back his assertion that it's mandatory to wear them nonstop when outside ('cuz in NYC, you can almost never guarantee you're more than 6 feet from anybody - I've had people glare or look alarmed at me from 12 feet away when I took it off to try to get some fresh air - or in the scant amount of businesses open for pick-up-and-get-out (as my friend in New England has now taken to calling it, after his Panera Bread implemented the same everything-behind-the-counter restrictions we've been running since our reopen. NOW it's unfriendly and hostile. Manlike, he's mortified to order his REAL regular hot tea recipe from the barista, which is cream, 3 sugars, and "5 or 6" Splendas ).

It seems to be human nature - an inconvenience is never truly an inconvenience, until it's yours; and I find it frankly IMO disheartening to contemplate how little good it does to air a complaint, knowing that the other person is never *really* listening to you, because they have no memory-sticking experience of the same thing happening to them.

As for the President saying maybe he's immune, isn't everyone immune for at least several months after they've had COVID? I thought that was our most recent scholarship on the topic.

 

[Cool Cats]

Manhattan has got a shocking amount of people running around with masks slung underneath their chin(s) like a hammock.

Also some people who never wear them.

Cuomo has not yet walked back his assertion that it's mandatory to wear them nonstop when outside ('cuz in NYC, you can almost never guarantee you're more than 6 feet from anybody - I've had people glare or look alarmed at me from 12 feet away when I took it off to try to get some fresh air - or in the scant amount of businesses open for pick-up-and-get-out (as my friend in New England has now taken to calling it, after his Panera Bread implemented the same everything-behind-the-counter restrictions we've been running since our reopen. NOW it's unfriendly and hostile. Manlike, he's mortified to order his REAL regular hot tea recipe from the barista, which is cream, 3 sugars, and "5 or 6" Splendas ).

It seems to be human nature - an inconvenience is never truly an inconvenience, until it's yours; and I find it frankly IMO disheartening to contemplate how little good it does to air a complaint, knowing that the other person is never *really* listening to you, because they have no memory-sticking experience of the same thing happening to them.

As for the President saying maybe he's immune, isn't everyone immune for at least several months after they've had COVID? I thought that was our most recent scholarship on the topic.

BBM:

" isn't everyone immune for at least several months after they've had COVID? "

This is absolutely not known! Too early to know yet. Eventually, we will have many more answers.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That is what has angered me the most about this situation. People who have "elite" status, the "1%", or whatever we call them. They have been given royal treatment. Everyone else, was told to go home, take some flu medication.

I wonder if these two teachers would be alive if they had been given access to the same level of care.

Funeral held for South Carolina teachers who died of COVID | wltx.com

I read the article you linked and it doesn't say anything about their care being deficient.

 

[Cool Cats]

Trump returns to comparing COVID-19 to the flu: 'We have learned to live with it'

VOTE register, Secretary of State...Most , no probably all of us could never get the Covid cutting edge special order medical treatments
Trump is getting now. Still receiving.

So we do have to be afraid. And, my God, it does affect our lives.

 

[Trino]

The doctors and employees at Walter Reed Hospital are funded by the U.S. Government. Trump's visit was at no cost. How does that compare should common U.S. citizens be hospitalized for COVID-19? The average cost is $73,300.

Costs for a Hospital Stay for COVID-19 | FAIR Health

 

[10ofRods]

How did he endanger himself and others?

Well, first, he ran around in various places without a mask and got CoVid.

I don't think most East Coast American psychiatrists would put the president on a hold for that.

But in some parts of the West Coast, a homeless person who did the same (even if they had a nice tent to sleep in) would be considered a danger to self.

Obviously, Trump approved of social events that endangered others. But again - American psychiatrists don't usually pull the trigger just because someone lights off illegal fireworks every year (even if eventually their neighbor dies in a fire).

Nobody has provided a link about whether the White House testing regime is unreliable though. I have only seen opinion AFAIK.

I posted several. I posted the CDC and other links about how only positive results on that test are reliable. Negatives need to be followed up with a PCR test. Then I posted another link from MSM that explained it in plain English.