Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #84

[anneg]

My mother suffered with migraine headaches all of her life and she took a cold rag and used a product called Musterole and slathered it on the rag--- to this day i can almost smell that stuff. It is like Vick's vapo rub-- it was horrible ugh

I take it that the remedy worked for her migraines?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I think we only disagree about whether labels, which I see as "name-calling" are helpful or harmful when we're trying to influence the behavior of a nation of people so we can all stay safe.

Everything else we agree on. Universities, as far as I know, have pretty good policies, but a good number of students likely feel they're immortal--it's just the age. At the local university, they've had outbreaks in athletic teams and it seems as though more students test positive on a daily basis.

I mentioned before that I'm confused as to why we aren't seeing widespread national commercials that inform and encourage people to be safe. All we see on TV is state leaders and other officials who spew statistics without really reaching their audience on an emotional level.

But, at a base level, I believe people tend to live up (or down) to our expectations. Depending on what a person believes to be true concerning the virus, I've seen the labels, "anti-maskers," "covid-deniers," "scaredy-cats," "fascists," "socialists," and so on. But those labels clearly set expectations, and as such, they divide us and (JMO) make the problem worse. They create an "us" vs "them" scenario.

I'd like to see us pull together as a nation to fight this awful virus, but more than that, I'd like to see us pull together as human beings. Too many have already died, and that puts us on edge. It makes us fearful and rightly so--but fear also leads us to strike out at others because we start to see them as having a hand in putting us at risk.Who

The big question is how do we keep people safe when they don't think they're in danger?

You bring up Public Service Announcements.... WHO is usually the source and funding of national PSAs??

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The coronavirus pandemic is causing "unacceptable" shortages of US drug supplies in the United States, according to a report from the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota.

The report says shortages have limited 29 of 40 drugs critical for treating Covid-19 patients, including propofol, albuterol, midazolam, hydroxychloroquine, fentanyl, azithromycin and morphine, according to the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists. The FDA, which has more stringent criteria for shortages, show 18 of 40 are on the Drug Shortage list.

Another 67 out of 156 critical acute drugs -- including diazepam, phenobarbital, lidocaine and acetaminophen -- are in short supply, the report said.

"The urgency with the drug shortage supply issue is related directly to the major increase in COVID-19 cases that we will experience in the coming months," Michael Osterholm, the director of CIDRAP, said in a news release.

Covid-19 is causing 'unacceptable' shortages in US drug supplies, report says - CNN

The US could have and should have had this all worked out way back.

Are you seeing any shortages in Australia?

 

[anneg]

This is the site I bookmarked way back when some shortages began (e.g. hydroxyQ). It's the entire FDA list so if you are on meds, you can take a peek as there may be others on this list not on the CNN list.

FDA Drug Shortages

At this FDA site, hydroxychloroquine is listed as a resolved shortage (BBM), which makes sense to me:

Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate Tablets
Status: Resolved
»Duration of Shortage: 03/31/2020 - 06/26/2020
»Therapeutic Categories: Anti-Infective; Other; Rheumatology

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/drugshortages/dsp_ActiveIngredientDetails.cfm?AI=Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate Tablets&st=r&tab=tabs-1

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Iowa numbers and news for Thursday, Oct. 22 and Friday, Oct. 23:
On Thurs. Oct. 22, we had 1,401 new confirmed cases for a total of 110,974 total confirmed cases of which 85,599 had recovered (+976). 15 more were reported to have passed for a total of 1,594. 85 were hospitalized in 24 hrs. for a total of 530.
There were 25,375 active positive cases. Oct. 22: Iowa reports 1,401 new COVID-19 cases and 15 more deaths
As of Fri. Oct. 23, between 10:00-11:00 a.m., we had 1,581 new confirmed cases for a total of 112,555 total confirmed cases of which 86,527 had recoverd (+928). 23 more were reported to have passed for a total of 1,617. 78 were hospitalized in the last 24 hrs. for a total of 536 (new daily record). There were 26,028 active positive cases. Oct. 23: 1,581 new cases as hospitalizations hit new record
Iowa COVID-19 Information
Almost $4.4 million received by Iowa colleges and universities for internet connections
Possible alternatives to outdoor, drive-thru testing this winter
Iowa's COVID-19 death rate among highest in US, report says
Reynolds: Hospitals have resources to handle COVID-19 spike
Dubuque County Recorder encourages public to stay away from county buildings, criticizes supervisors

Did I see that right that yesterday your % positives on tests were 55%? I've never seen anywhere that high. WHO saying keep below 5%.

Does Iowa ONLY test symptomatics?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Panic alert - getting serious now. I mean, if your kettle breaks in this country, that IS an actual emergency

Supermarket staff in Wales today covered up kettles on shelves as 'power mad' First Minister Mark Drakeford banned the sale of 'non-essential' items during the country's coronavirus firebreak lockdown.

Supermarket swoop! Tesco staff in Wales COVER UP kettles and bedding on shelves under new lockdown | Daily Mail Online

How stupid. It is not surprising people don't take everything seriously when things like this happen.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Senior centers were ordered opened up by the Governor a few weeks ago; I’ll try and find the exact date. The reason I know this that an assisted living facility called my mother last month, and told her about the order. I guess they thought it was a positive thing, but it scared the daylights out of us... My mother had planned to enter an assisted living facility in February, but delayed her plans indefinitely due to the pandemic, and is now staying with me. She’s 91. I guess they thought it was positive because people could have visitors. From the infection rates, this decision will spread the virus even further among the vulnerable.

We wish we were back in New England, where we are originally from... Very difficult to relocate now...

This article about senior centers was just yesterday.
DeSantis wants children to visit them
Florida expands visitation to long-term care facilities

I AM working on going back to New England. Their cases are rising too, but my son says everyone is wearing masks! AND I don't want to hear Florida news every day !!!
I only want to be down here in the heaviest winter months.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Maybe this could work in a Neti pot.

Yeah! I got one of those too!! I just don't know where I put it.
And way back on this Forum, someone had mentioned Sian Pure, or some nasal inhaler.
I got those too!! But I do love them... really seem to clean out nasal passages for deeper breaths! If it seems to be for health reasons, its not wasteful spending, right??? ha ha

 

[dixiegirl1035]

You bring up Public Service Announcements.... WHO is usually the source and funding of national PSAs??

They do produce such... but national PSA's in the US and first world countries isn't their focus for PSA's MOO.

Their focus on such I would think would be on supporting educating folks in 3rd world as to the spread, and may not be "MSM PSA announcements" on the television as that is not how to reach there?

 

[GRT]

You bring up Public Service Announcements.... WHO is usually the source and funding of national PSAs??

The CDC, I think if they're health-related. I'm thinking along the lines of how successful the anti-smoking campaigns have been in getting people to stop smoking (And that's hard!), and in not starting to smoke in the first place.

I think it's so odd that we (or at least I) haven't seen anything even remotely like that.

The only thing I see is elected officials repeating numbers and issuing warnings, but nothing that really reaches deep and grabs attention.

I really wish we'd see some engaging ads that really hit home--where it counts.

 

[GRT]

Some people aren't capable of that - that's what the research says. Right prefrontal cortex doesn't work the sam way in all people.

From a genetics/epigenetics point of view, CoVid responses reveal interesting new hypotheses about further research into that part of the brain. But it is the part of the brain that assesses risk as well as moral behavior.

The research already shows that, behaviorally, people who refuse to wear masks have certain shared traits, an people who get aggro over masks are in a subset of that group.

Woman threatened by man with gun for wearing mask

Starbucks barrista undergoes verbal assault for asking customer to obey mask mandate

Public health board ignores doctors' pleas to require masks in virus-embattled county

Arson at 3 Wal-Marts linked to an anti-masker's social media, under investigation

New Hampshire restaurant shuts its doors rather than require masks

Maskless woman deliberately spits on man with mask, on a bus (video)

Employee assaulted by non-masking wearing man over request to wear mask (Canada)

Man sentenced for assault on bus driver over masks (Seoul)

Man arrested for assaulting bank security over request to wear mask (Mumbai)

Alderman accused of assault and "hissy fit" over mask wearing in Missouri

I have many more. There's the bus driver in France - who died. I find it hard to believe the driver was anything but polite and objective about his request that the passenger wear a mask:

French bus driver beaten to death after requesting passenger wear mask

I think these crimes give WSers something to ponder, as we are all interested in solving (and preventing) crime. The ignorance of some (most?) of these perps may spin around lack of basic knowledge about how air works. FB and Q-Anon types have tried to convince people that a mask prevents oxygen from getting to your lungs (!), which is why those doctors and nurses video'ed themselves wearing masks for 12 hours at a stretch:

"I want to breathe oxygen," says mask opponent at school board meeting.

Yes, sir - we all do.

Wow! That really hits hard. Such aggression. Such resistance.

These people are on the edge and it takes virtually nothing to push them over into violence and verbal assault.

So sad to live with such fear.

 

[LadyL]

this is fun news from Canada

Quebec sends ‘swat teams’ to control outbreaks of COVID-19 in 4 long-term care residences

 

[303gmf]

This is great teaching information! I always think about the nose, and the mouth/throat. I get sanitizer right up to my nostrils ( i know this is questionable..but the nose is SO important to address)!!
And I gargle mouthwash all the time now....

I am so used to this, that it just seems totally normal.
Will definitely think about the baby shampoo

Agree!
Neti pot user for 25 plus years, a book by a local Colorado author called Sinus Survival helped me avoid surgery
Same with sanitizer as you too.
Baby shampoo & mouthwash on shopping list now

 

[Trino]

But what if the leader is telling the country to open up, to open schools up...then what? It doesn’t seem too far off of becoming a genocide at this point...less people died in Sudan...

How do you define genocide?

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How about lying to people about the seriousness of the virus or lying that it is going away? Convincing thousands/millions to follow this train of thought? Hitler convinced followers by his speeches.

 

[Trino]

Sweden, in the midst of finally moving to have mandated mitigation measures, has asked seniors to quit staying at home and to come out and join everyone else in their high-CoVid milieu.

Meanwhile, hospitals and mortuaries are beginning to overflow. El Paso mortuaries have had to rent refrigerator trucks.

Northern Idaho is starting negotiations to send patients to Seattle and Portland.

If North Dakota were a nation, it would have one of the highest per capita CoVid rates in the world. The article is using the current 7 day rolling averages, not all time weekly rolling averages. So it should say "currently highest," I guess. The Czech Republic is red hot with new CoVid cases.

When an area hasn't had much or any CoVid, and CoVid is seeded by travelers/mobile residents all over the area, when it pops into view a week or two later, it usually leads to exponential cases at first. ND did know it had CoVid, however, since April.

There is a bit of good news for ND, though. It had fewer deaths yesterday than predicted by IMHE, so the runaway CoVid growth from mid-Sept to mid-Oct may be slowing down. It's really hard to tell at this point.

North Dakota Coronavirus: 35,939 Cases and 440 Deaths (COVID-19 ) - Worldometer

Wales has had a similar situation (CoVid didn't slam Wales early on - but it has arrived now). Wales is on lockdown, and grocery stores have been advised to limit sales to "essentials" (but the Guardian says stores don't know exactly what's meant by that):

Is a pumpkin an essential item in the Welsh Covid firebreak?

They're calling the Welsh measures a "firebreak," while England is calling theirs a '"circuit breaker." To me, this implies that the Welsh measures are designed to create a larger margin between themselves and England (where rates are of course soaring).

But, haven't you heard the US is turning a corner (not)?

 

[10ofRods]

The U.S. has long funded its own PSA's (and states have too). But now that broadcast TV isn't much of a thing, that's gone. We have defunded our own public broadcasting system (which mostly kids watched).

It's a big problem. I've had three batches of students since the pandemic began and for the most part, they were shocked to learn how many people in their own county had died, how many had CoVid, what ethnic groups they were, what jobs they had, etc. They knew nothing about it. Zilch.

They also don't know the symptoms. Even now, on the last quiz where I threw in a few symptom questions, a lot of them missed some of the main symptoms. In fact, congestion or runny nose is not, according to my students, a symptom of CoVid. This is after they were supposed to watch several videos and read some brief articles. Headaches don't count either. Some of them couldn't pick the right definition for the word "fatigue" so it's no wonder that they didn't think that was a symptom.

Given that young people aged 18-25 are a big vector where I live, it's concerning that they know so little. Most claim to be staying home as much as possible and wearing masks if they go out. The vast majority (~90%) live with their parents...they say they don't want to get their parents sick.

I still have some weeks to go with the current batch and the numbers are improving on those simple test questions, so by the final exam I do hope to have some of it drilled into them.

 

[ilovewings]

I take it that the remedy worked for her migraines?

it worked somewhat-- she sometimes had to to the ER for a pain shot

 

[LadyL]

My mom is in an assisted living home in London, Ontario. Today I got a message saying that the city has community spread of covid, so outings and visits have been tightened. Each resident may have one designated carer who may visit. That person must have had a flu shot, must have taken PPE training which seems to be a video and quiz, and they have to follow the visitor's drill of masks, screening, etc.

Outings are for essential reasons only, and just there and back. If there are any breaches, then the resident must be quarantined for 2 weeks. Meals will be left outside their door.

There were 10 new cases in the county and there are currently 57 active cases.
Coronavirus: 1 death, 9 cases in London-Middlesex; health unit unveils new pandemic orders (update)

to add to your worry, and sorry for that, but London is under a tornado warning right now too

ETA: sorry 'watch' not 'warning'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/thunderstorm-warning-windsor-essex-chatham-kent-1.5774877

ETA again!!! it's been updated to a 'Warning'

 

[LadyL]

The coronavirus pandemic is causing "unacceptable" shortages of US drug supplies in the United States, according to a report from the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota.

The report says shortages have limited 29 of 40 drugs critical for treating Covid-19 patients, including propofol, albuterol, midazolam, hydroxychloroquine, fentanyl, azithromycin and morphine, according to the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists. The FDA, which has more stringent criteria for shortages, show 18 of 40 are on the Drug Shortage list.

Another 67 out of 156 critical acute drugs -- including diazepam, phenobarbital, lidocaine and acetaminophen -- are in short supply, the report said.

"The urgency with the drug shortage supply issue is related directly to the major increase in COVID-19 cases that we will experience in the coming months," Michael Osterholm, the director of CIDRAP, said in a news release.

Covid-19 is causing 'unacceptable' shortages in US drug supplies, report says - CNN

it's happening to me in Ontario, Canada too and they're not drugs for treating Covid

 

[nhmemorymaker]

wow...

Panic alert - getting serious now. I mean, if your kettle breaks in this country, that IS an actual emergency

Supermarket staff in Wales today covered up kettles on shelves as 'power mad' First Minister Mark Drakeford banned the sale of 'non-essential' items during the country's coronavirus firebreak lockdown.

Supermarket swoop! Tesco staff in Wales COVER UP kettles and bedding on shelves under new lockdown | Daily Mail Online

How stupid. It is not surprising people don't take everything seriously when things like this happen.

wow...just wow... i have not kept up with the shortages here... except freezers.

what does "power mad" mean? Is he for all of Wales, or part of Wales.......