Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #84

[nhmemorymaker]

This article was in July, for that brand in the US? So not associated with this past weeks decision?

Well I actually saw it differently........ I saw the action of the United States buying it all up back then, is influencing the FDA now. The DOJ, CDC, FDA are all not as non-political as they used to be, so I am weary. There were some good discussions about generic versions in other countries up thread, but as far as I have seen it is still under patent.

I feel the confusing information will keep coming....so we should know more along the way....

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Please do not gargle or ??? with baby shampoo. We know that soaps do inactivate the virus... but be very careful with putting soaps in your nose and sinuses etc based on such MSM reports at this time please.

oh my no...no gargling the baby shampoo.... but I will pay more attention to the soaps in the nose. Others are posting some info that should be helpful.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

That is really sad. We in ND are suffering as well. Our local drugstore and eye clinic doesn't require masks not a ha ha for those struggling and trying to get through this wearing a mask. I was at the PO and a woman without a mask told me to stand further away from her, me masked at least 5 or so feet and lobby is small- door post reads masks required. Churches majority no masks here and my sister in laws, brother in law was a minister, 61 years old died.

well..... that is a first---meaning the lady in the PO. amazing.

 

[Lilibet]

I give up.

The Trump Administration Shut a Vaccine Safety Office Last Year. What’s the Plan Now?

Quoting from link:

For now, Operation Warp Speed, created by the Trump administration to spearhead development of coronavirus vaccines and treatments, is focused on getting vaccines through clinical trials in record time and manufacturing them quickly.

The next job will be to monitor the safety of vaccines once they’re in widespread use. But the administration last year quietly disbanded the office with the expertise for exactly this job. Its elimination has left that long-term safety effort for coronavirus vaccines fragmented among federal agencies, with no central leadership, experts say.

“We’re behind the eight ball,” said Daniel Salmon, who served as the director of vaccine safety in that office from 2007 to 2012, overseeing coordination during the H1N1 flu pandemic in 2009. ”We don’t even know who’s in charge.”
BBM

 

[nhmemorymaker]

How on earth did we ever live through "Grandma's cures"? I can't smell or drink ginger ale to this day or Vicks. Just, no.

my pulmonologist explained why the vapo rubs are so dangerous to the lungs... bad stuff.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

How Sacramento doctors contributed to FDA approval of COVID-19 drug

A drug to treat patients who contracted the novel coronavirus was approved by the FDA on Thursday. The drug, the antiviral remdesivir, was part of clinical trials in Sacramento and used by doctors in the capital city.

"It really has been shown to decrease symptoms and severity of illness and decrease hospitalization length of stay," said Dr. Vanessa Walker of Pulmonary Medicine Associates.

How Sacramento doctors contributed to FDA approval of COVID-19 drug

 

[SouthAussie]

The US could have and should have had this all worked out way back.

Are you seeing any shortages in Australia?

I hadn't heard of any ... but when I look at our TGA site, I guess we do have shortages. Not that I know what any of the medications are that are on the list.

I know that pharmacies are not allowing anyone to stockpile anything, and haven't been allowing that since March. One month's supply at a time.

Medicine Shortages Information Initiative

 

[beatrixpotter]

Sweden, in the midst of finally moving to have mandated mitigation measures, has asked seniors to quit staying at home and to come out and join everyone else in their high-CoVid milieu.

Meanwhile, hospitals and mortuaries are beginning to overflow. El Paso mortuaries have had to rent refrigerator trucks.

Northern Idaho is starting negotiations to send patients to Seattle and Portland.

If North Dakota were a nation, it would have one of the highest per capita CoVid rates in the world. The article is using the current 7 day rolling averages, not all time weekly rolling averages. So it should say "currently highest," I guess. The Czech Republic is red hot with new CoVid cases.

When an area hasn't had much or any CoVid, and CoVid is seeded by travelers/mobile residents all over the area, when it pops into view a week or two later, it usually leads to exponential cases at first. ND did know it had CoVid, however, since April.

There is a bit of good news for ND, though. It had fewer deaths yesterday than predicted by IMHE, so the runaway CoVid growth from mid-Sept to mid-Oct may be slowing down. It's really hard to tell at this point.

North Dakota Coronavirus: 35,939 Cases and 440 Deaths (COVID-19 ) - Worldometer

Wales has had a similar situation (CoVid didn't slam Wales early on - but it has arrived now). Wales is on lockdown, and grocery stores have been advised to limit sales to "essentials" (but the Guardian says stores don't know exactly what's meant by that):

Is a pumpkin an essential item in the Welsh Covid firebreak?

They're calling the Welsh measures a "firebreak," while England is calling theirs a '"circuit breaker." To me, this implies that the Welsh measures are designed to create a larger margin between themselves and England (where rates are of course soaring).

Yikes, how are people supposed to know? And is a cashier supposed to know what the purchaser actually needs? Do you really need gluten free snack? Does it take more time to pick up a bottle of hair dye? Is that ever essential?

Someone yelled at my husband in the Walmart parking lot early in the pandemic because he felt we had too much food. I have a large family and 4 teenagers. I need way more food than average. Who determines that?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Iowa numbers and news for Thursday, Oct. 22 and Friday, Oct. 23:
On Thurs. Oct. 22, we had 1,401 new confirmed cases for a total of 110,974 total confirmed cases of which 85,599 had recovered (+976). 15 more were reported to have passed for a total of 1,594. 85 were hospitalized in 24 hrs. for a total of 530.
There were 25,375 active positive cases. Oct. 22: Iowa reports 1,401 new COVID-19 cases and 15 more deaths
As of Fri. Oct. 23, between 10:00-11:00 a.m., we had 1,581 new confirmed cases for a total of 112,555 total confirmed cases of which 86,527 had recoverd (+928). 23 more were reported to have passed for a total of 1,617. 78 were hospitalized in the last 24 hrs. for a total of 536 (new daily record). There were 26,028 active positive cases. Oct. 23: 1,581 new cases as hospitalizations hit new record
Iowa COVID-19 Information
Almost $4.4 million received by Iowa colleges and universities for internet connections
Possible alternatives to outdoor, drive-thru testing this winter
Iowa's COVID-19 death rate among highest in US, report says
Reynolds: Hospitals have resources to handle COVID-19 spike
Dubuque County Recorder encourages public to stay away from county buildings, criticizes supervisors

whoa....Iowa is really suffering... one of your article states:

A White House Coronavirus Task Force report found that the virus infected and killed about twice as many people per capita in Iowa as the national average between Oct. 10 and Oct. 16.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

They do produce such... but national PSA's in the US and first world countries isn't their focus for PSA's MOO.

Their focus on such I would think would be on supporting educating folks in 3rd world as to the spread, and may not be "MSM PSA announcements" on the television as that is not how to reach there?

Oh... I did not mean WHO the organization--as could be assumed... I meant who does take the responsibility and funding for making PSA announcements in the US.

 

[SouthAussie]

There’s a difference between lockdowns and open slather though...

Also first line of defence is long gone...probably about a 100,000 people ago...if last resorts aren’t used then who knows what’s going to happen...all I know is, it’s not going to be good for the human race...

Yes, I wonder when 'last resort' (lockdowns) comes into effect?

How many cases? 70,000 per day, 100,000 per day, 150,000 per day? What is the magic number?

I guess it is all about perspective. We lock down at a large number to us, which is a tiny number to others. But when you have some control over the virus, it is important to not let that control go.

 

[beatrixpotter]

Panic alert - getting serious now. I mean, if your kettle breaks in this country, that IS an actual emergency

Supermarket staff in Wales today covered up kettles on shelves as 'power mad' First Minister Mark Drakeford banned the sale of 'non-essential' items during the country's coronavirus firebreak lockdown.

Supermarket swoop! Tesco staff in Wales COVER UP kettles and bedding on shelves under new lockdown | Daily Mail Online

How stupid. It is not surprising people don't take everything seriously when things like this happen.

It is exactly this kind of stupid behavior that caused people here to revolt and decide it's all a load of crap and those in power can not be trusted. There are a ton who have dismissed the real severity of this because they are now convinced it's a power grab and all about control over the populace.

Food and medicine are never the only necessities. I saw clothes were banned in the other article. Like small children aren't allowed to grow and need new shoes or winter clothes? Like who does it benefit to block access to a kettle when the shopper is already in the store?!

 

[anneg]

my pulmonologist explained why the vapo rubs are so dangerous to the lungs... bad stuff.

My mother used to put Vicks in her nose when she was stuffed up from a cold. When I found out she was doing that, I told her it was dangerous, but she didn't stop doing it. She lived to age 97, though.

 

[GRT]

this is fun news from Canada

Quebec sends ‘swat teams’ to control outbreaks of COVID-19 in 4 long-term care residences

I'm not sure what they can do -- but if they're on the public payroll--put 'em to work!

 

[SouthAussie]

Sweden, in the midst of finally moving to have mandated mitigation measures, has asked seniors to quit staying at home and to come out and join everyone else in their high-CoVid milieu.
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I was reading an article last night about Sweden .... they are forbidding more than 50 people to be in a nightclub now, and at the same time allowing 300 to be (adequately spaced) in a stadium - previously it was 50 max in a stadium.

So I guess they are reallly having a good think about the risk factors and are trying to apply appropriate measures where they see fit.

I am a bit wary about encouraging seniors to step out into the fray, though. With covid numbers increasing as they are.


Nightclubs where dancing is permitted will be limited to a capacity of 50 people in Sweden, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven announced Thursday.
“It’s time for partying in nightclubs to stop,” said Lofven, adding: “It is disrespectful to health care staff, who have worked hard, day and night, when they open a newspaper and see photos from packed nightclubs and dance floors.”
"It’s time for partying in nightclubs to stop": Sweden limits clubs to 50 people

 

[Trino]

my pulmonologist explained why the vapo rubs are so dangerous to the lungs... bad stuff.

Ginger ale, sweet oil, Vick's, cherry cough syrup, iodine, mecuricome, methiolate, chicken noodle soup, what else?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Some people aren't capable of that - that's what the research says. Right prefrontal cortex doesn't work the sam way in all people.

From a genetics/epigenetics point of view, CoVid responses reveal interesting new hypotheses about further research into that part of the brain. But it is the part of the brain that assesses risk as well as moral behavior.

The research already shows that, behaviorally, people who refuse to wear masks have certain shared traits, an people who get aggro over masks are in a subset of that group.

Woman threatened by man with gun for wearing mask

Starbucks barrista undergoes verbal assault for asking customer to obey mask mandate

Public health board ignores doctors' pleas to require masks in virus-embattled county

Arson at 3 Wal-Marts linked to an anti-masker's social media, under investigation

New Hampshire restaurant shuts its doors rather than require masks

Maskless woman deliberately spits on man with mask, on a bus (video)

Employee assaulted by non-masking wearing man over request to wear mask (Canada)

Man sentenced for assault on bus driver over masks (Seoul)

Man arrested for assaulting bank security over request to wear mask (Mumbai)

Alderman accused of assault and "hissy fit" over mask wearing in Missouri

I have many more. There's the bus driver in France - who died. I find it hard to believe the driver was anything but polite and objective about his request that the passenger wear a mask:

French bus driver beaten to death after requesting passenger wear mask

I think these crimes give WSers something to ponder, as we are all interested in solving (and preventing) crime. The ignorance of some (most?) of these perps may spin around lack of basic knowledge about how air works. FB and Q-Anon types have tried to convince people that a mask prevents oxygen from getting to your lungs (!), which is why those doctors and nurses video'ed themselves wearing masks for 12 hours at a stretch:

"I want to breathe oxygen," says mask opponent at school board meeting.

Yes, sir - we all do.

I had read the article about the NH restaurant since that is home to me.... and the owner's quote of "what happened to live free or die" rang so clear. Any controversary in NH will end up with this statement.
But the article about Idaho (Public Health Board ignores Doctors pleas) was so sad:

“I want to be very clear: Punting those decisions is saying we’re willing to put that burden on the shoulders of our front line staff,” said Mike Fenello, vice president of population health for St. Luke’s Magic Valley facilities. “Will you please help those on the front lines? They need you to help. So please help.”


The board voted to not help.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

This is hyperbole in my opinion. WHO doesn’t even support lockdowns as a first line of defense. It should be a last resort and only to regroup.

BUT WHO is very clear on all the measures that have to proceed lockdowns. THOSE measures are not being taken.

 

[ilovewings]

Yikes, how are people supposed to know? And is a cashier supposed to know what the purchaser actually needs? Do you really need gluten free snack? Does it take more time to pick up a bottle of hair dye? Is that ever essential?

Someone yelled at my husband in the Walmart parking lot early in the pandemic because he felt we had too much food. I have a large family and 4 teenagers. I need way more food than average. Who determines that?

Clearly, not some mor -n in a parking lot!!!!!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I’m not sure where you are, but where I live it’s never been “open slather”. Nor has it been “open slather” in the states I’ve traveled to.

ok...so what do we mean by "open slather"