Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #87

[LadyL]

Fauci says Canada 'getting into trouble' as COVID-19 cases surge worldwide

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/fauc...andX0SNRCAqnnXJgYU_DtNrFpYv5Owr33DHGOJeNK4zss

 

[margarita25]

CDC removes guidance pushing for school reopenings saying there's ’new scientific information’
More at link
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has removed guidelines from its website that promoted in-person learning for schools.

The documents, which were written by political appointees outside of the CDC, were removed from the website in late October without a public announcement, the Hill reported.

“Some of the prior content was outdated and as new scientific information has emerged the site has been updated to reflect current knowledge about COVID-19 and schools," a spokesperson told the Hill.


Instead, the website now states that “the body of evidence is growing that children of all ages are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection and contrary to early reports might play a role in transmission.”


It also lists in-person learning as a high risk.


The Trump administration pushed for reopening schools and experts criticized the CDC’s guidance, saying it appeared to be politically motivated and light on evidence, the news outlet reported.

Thanks.


CDC quietly removes guidance pushing for school reopenings

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CDC / Communities, Schools, Workplaces, & Events
Updated Oct. 29, 2020

Summary of Changes
Updates have been made to align with the new school resources and tools that were released on July 23rd and 24th and the latest COVID-19 information.

Changes to the considerations as of August 21, 2020:

• Expanded considerations on planning and preparing schools before opening
• Updated considerations on ventilation
• Updated considerations on food service
• Updated considerations for students who may be unable to wear masks
• Updated considerations for students with special healthcare needsand disabilities
• Updated considerations on cohorting, staggering, and alternating strategies
• Updated considerations on recognizing signs and symptoms of COVID-19 and screening
• Updated considerations on coping and support
• Updated considerations on making plans for accommodations
• Updated considerations for Direct Service Providers (DSPs)
  
• More at link

 

[SouthAussie]

Fauci says Canada 'getting into trouble' as COVID-19 cases surge worldwide

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/fauc...andX0SNRCAqnnXJgYU_DtNrFpYv5Owr33DHGOJeNK4zss

I feel Dr Fauci is right. We all need to double down for a few months more. The vaccines are almost here. It will be so much easier to recover with less of a spread to deal with, and it would keep many people alive until everyone can be vaccinated.

Yesterday the world had the highest number of covid deaths we have had, to date. Over 11,000 people died from covid in just one day.
(Heard on TV news last night).

 

[pocketaccent]

@pocketaccent MOO If someone is already immunocompromised (on chemo) my guess is not a good response.

As to safety, that where we are waiting now on the 2 month safety information to get the EUA in the states. Most folks think less than 4 wks they'll be in a position to apply and have to that stage.

As to comorbidities, did you see the latest Dr. Seheult video I posted (Medcram). He reviewed that in his Nov 17th video with the Moderna vaccine (Pfizer hasn't yet released that granularity - would assume similar? as both are mRNA vaccines?) For Moderna - Out of the 30,000--->> 11,000 were communities of color, 7,000 were 65 and older, and 5,000 had comorbities. So "healthiness" scale is being considered also.

Video is at below HIGHLY RECOMMEND ALL INTERESTED TO WATCH

Thank you dixie, the video is very helpful. So 5,000 had comorbidities. They were all under 65. I would love to know what type of comorbidities they had. Still feeling uneasy although a lot less than before.

(I'm a vaxer and take flu shots every year with no hesitation).

 

[margarita25]

With regard to surface transmission, as minimally or much as it may or may not exist, I wonder if there have been any known transmissions linked to dog parks. As I mentioned previously, I see so many people touching the same stainless steel poopybag trashcan handle all day long, no sanitizer or hand wipe afterwards, shaking hands, touching their faces, (also getting a little too close for comfort sometimes imo with each other, though the contact is not prolonged and it is outdoors) - So I wonder if this happy and casual atmosphere may make people more inclined to let their guards down overall.

Eta:
Furthermore, considering the high contagiousness of this virus, and the fact that surface transmission can occur, whether commonly or not, and knowing it can survive on stainless steel for sometime, if we entertain the above thought strictly on the basis of statistics alone...If 1 in 100 people in Colorado are infected, per Governor Polis, and if nobody ever wipes that handle, and if let’s say “X” people a day...you get my drift..

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ETA2: I’d like to see the latest reports on surface transmission, if any exist.

 

[pocketaccent]

I think it goes like this.

A lady who is a cleaner at Peppers (medi hotel) caught the virus from cleaning - definitely no face to face - and touching her face.
She passed it to 2 security guards at the hotel who she chatted with.
She also took it home to her 80 year old mum (1st diagnosed case) and her hubby, her large family spread it from there.
So that is the first cluster.

One of the security guards also worked at Woodville South pizza place. He boxed up a pizza that a delivery driver picked up, and dropped it off at another medi hotel. The driver caught the virus and so did the person who received the pizza. They think those cases are from the pizza box because the driver didn't actually have any contact with the security guard. The driver just picked up the box - in its keep-hot bag - and took it to the customer.

They are trying to trace everyone who used that pizza place in a ten day period. Whether they picked up, or had received a delivered pizza.

Reminds me of Columbo, my #1 favorite detective.
What a great job you are doing to zap this virus. I'm in awe.

I think there's a possibility the cleaning lady, security guard, delivery man, customer, all caught the virus that was airborne.

 

[SouthAussie]

With regard to surface transmission, as minimally or much as it may or may not exist, I wonder if there have been any known transmissions linked to dog parks. As I mentioned previously, I see so many people touching the same stainless steel poopybag trash can handle all day long, no sanitizer or hand wipe afterwards, shaking hands, touching their faces, (also getting a little too close for comfort sometimes imo with each other, though the contact is not prolonged and it is outdoors) - So I wonder if this happy and casual atmosphere may make people more inclined to let their guards down overall.

Eta:
Furthermore, considering the high contagiousness of this virus, and the fact that surface transmission can occur, whether commonly or not, and knowing it can survive on stainless steel for sometime, and if we entertain the above thought strictly on the basis of statistics alone...If 1 in 100 people in Colorado are infected, per Governor Polis, and if nobody ever wipes that handle, and if let’s say “X” people a day...you get my drift..

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ETA2: I’d like to see the latest reports on surface transmission, is any exist.

There was an expert just on our morning TV, speaking of surface transmission (due to our pizza box infection).

He says surface transmission is not common, it is still mostly aerosol transmission.

But in the US, I would think that 'not common' is still quite a few cases.

 

[SouthAussie]

At this rate, coronavirus is killing at least one American every minute of the day.

At least 1,707 new Covid-19 deaths were reported Tuesday, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. That's the highest daily death toll since May 14.

And it's only going to get worse, said Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a professor at George Washington University School of Medicine.

US Coronavirus: 1,707 Covid-19 deaths were reported in 1 day. That's the highest daily death toll in 6 months - CNN

 

[margarita25]

Fauci says Canada 'getting into trouble' as COVID-19 cases surge worldwide

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/fauc...andX0SNRCAqnnXJgYU_DtNrFpYv5Owr33DHGOJeNK4zss

“"We've got to be able to test widely in the community for asymptomatic spreaders of the infection," he said by phone from Washington, D.C.

"If you just test people who are symptomatic, you're going to miss a very large contingent of the spread of infection in the community."“

 

[ilovewings]

How Many Snowbirds Will Be Flying South for the Winter?

Interesting article on people traveling to Florida during this pandemic

The article states more young people are renting property in Florida- Seems like maybe some retirees may be staying home, and Canadians have problems due to the UnitedStates-Canadian border being closed.

Here is the the sentence that caught my attention because it is so reckless- so outrageous that these people act like there is no pandemic:

"Typically we would avoid traveling through the holidays, but this year is different-
said Ms. Granuzzo 30, director of social media and editorial at a digital agency.
"Covid has basically changed the entire landscape--even client meetings are
remote- So why not skip the winter here"

so far so good but get the next sentence

The first destination was to Naples Florida to see Mr. Fried's parents. Around Thanksgiving they will head to the Atlanta area to visit Ms. Granuzzo's family.
Then they will boomerang back to Naples for the month of January before
eventually making their way to Montage Palmetto bluff, The South Carolina
Luxury Resort where they got married four years ago- they will forge the rest of the plan from there.

So let me get this straight, they are going to be galavanting all over the country, going to visit their probably not real young parents----bringing with them the potential for the coronavirus to be transmitted between all of these different people-- OMG

Let's pretend there is no pandemic!!!! Apparently that works well for some of us!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

We seem to be kind of damned if we do, damned if we don't.
Do we keep bringing Aussies home from infected areas around the world, and put ourselves under risk?
Do we stop bringing Aussies home from infected areas around the world, and have them crying all over the place?

Some people here want to stop bringing them home.
The govt says we need to deal with the occassional outbreak (through the lockdowns).

We have brought home over 425,000 so far, with only two incidents - thanks to the quarantine medi hotels. But those incidents have been scary and potentially not good for millions of other Australians. Thank goodness we have been able to get a handle on things. Although 800 people died because of one of those two incidents.

More and more Aussies are signing up to come home, as things get worse around the world. A couple of months ago we had 28,000 still to return (and we are bringing thousands home every week), now it is 35,000 who want to come home.

I'm retired and old and ... worn. Yet I will do what needs to be done without a second thought. Hmmm, I've always wanted to travel to Oz Is the quarantine free room and board for 2 weeks... and perhaps have an opportunity to get out of this mess in the US?

 

[SouthAussie]

Just getting a grip on what 'generations' of cases means. Yesterday we had reached 5 generations, here in South Australia. Not sure yet where we are today.

Being at the 5th generation already means that this strain of the virus spreads super quickly. Prof Spurrier thinks that incubation could be as low as 24 hours (before a person becomes infectious).


South Australia’s chief health officer, Prof Nicola Spurrier, said it is of concern that health authorities have so far identified at least five generations of cases. In epidemiology, the first case of the virus, or the index case, is known as “generation zero”.

The patients then infected by patient zero within 14 days are the “first-generation” of cases. The “second generation” are Covid-19 cases who were exposed to first-generation cases [but not patient zero], while the “third-generation” are those infected by the second generation [but not the prior generations], and so on.

South Australia's Covid lockdown explained: why six days and isn't 36 cases low?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Good to see that the CDC official advisements are now becoming more accurate due to "new scientific information".

"New"? Bu!!shi^.

We here on threads were shouting out that was untrue... then learned ( good friend in school system here) that the CARES monies only went to the schools that stayed open.

I don't know particulars now, but sooooooooooooooo dissapointed that local nor national focus on such. They are so wound up with the news that is pfffff and shall go nameless.

SMDH...

 

[margarita25]

As Covid-19 Surges, Florida Sticks to No Statewide Restrictions
Gov. DeSantis vows state will never again issue lockdown, prevents local officials from enforcing mandates

“MIAMI—As new coronavirus cases soar to record highs around the U.S., many states are reimposing restrictions on daily life. Not Florida.

Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis is sticking to one of the most permissive approaches to the pandemic—allowing bars, restaurants, theaters and theme parks to operate at full capacity. He has vowed the state would never again implement lockdowns.”

 

[pocketaccent]

Just getting a grip on what 'generations' of cases means. Yesterday we had reached 5 generations, here in South Australia. Not sure yet where we are today.

Being at the 5th generation already means that this strain of the virus spreads super quickly. Prof Spurrier thinks that incubation could be as low as 24 hours (before a person becomes infectious).


South Australia’s chief health officer, Prof Nicola Spurrier, said it is of concern that health authorities have so far identified at least five generations of cases. In epidemiology, the first case of the virus, or the index case, is known as “generation zero”.

The patients then infected by patient zero within 14 days are the “first-generation” of cases. The “second generation” are Covid-19 cases who were exposed to first-generation cases [but not patient zero], while the “third-generation” are those infected by the second generation [but not the prior generations], and so on.

South Australia's Covid lockdown explained: why six days and isn't 36 cases low?

BBM: This is the most scariest part. 5 generations already since Nov 2(?), with only a 24 hour incubation period. This kind of stuff happens only in horror movies. I wonder if this is happening in the US now.

 

[LadyL]

Nearly Half of the 83 Guests at an Ohio Wedding Got COVID — Including the Bride and Groom

 

[Lilibet]

On the bright side, it's clear that both the FDA and the CDC are operating a bit more scientifically and professionally since the election. They now have assurance that science will once again be at the core of their mission, as it should always have been. But it's going to take some time for both agencies to re-establish their credibility.

Not to be Debbie Downer or anything, but the more scientific, professional and truth-telling the FDA and CDC become, the more I brace myself for another round of firings-by-tweet IYKWIM.

 

[mickey2942]

Just a side note, how many of us had the words "quarantine", "isolation" and "pandemic" as words that were part of normal, every day conversation before this year?

 

[margarita25]

Covid-19 Live Updates: The Virus Has Now Killed 250,000 People in the U.S.

New York City public schools are shutting their doors again.

NYC Public Schools will close indefinitely on Thursday.

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As U.S. Reaches 250,000 Deaths From COVID-19, A Long Winter Is Coming

Residents line up in their cars Tuesday at a coronavirus test center on the grounds of Miller Park in Milwaukee.

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(The above is one location out of many across the US experiencing these long testing lines, as I recall from news videos showing Los Angeles, etc, etc.)

 

[pocketaccent]

Just a side note, how many of us had the words "quarantine", "isolation" and "pandemic" as words that were part of normal, every day conversation before this year?

And "lockdown". All frightening words.