Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #93

[SouthAussie]

A woman in south Florida who had received one dose of coronavirus vaccine while pregnant recently gave birth to the first known baby born with Covid-19 antibodies “after maternal vaccination”, two pediatricians claimed.

Researchers analyzed blood from the baby’s umbilical cord and antibodies “were detected … at time of delivery”, their paper said. “Thus, there is potential for protection and infection risk reduction from Sars-CoV-2 with maternal vaccination.”

US woman gives birth to first known baby with Covid antibodies, doctors say

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Even before Trump’s comments, accidental poisonings from bleach and other disinfectants were on the rise from Jan. 1 to March 31 of this year, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, with people sanitizing surfaces, groceries, smartphones and more as a defense against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

Accidental Poisonings Increased After President Trump's Disinfectant Comments

 

[Deleted member 158085]

We're not debating whether or not it's smart or responsible to suggest injecting or ingesting cleaning chemicals, are we? I would think we could all agree that it's not.

 

[mickey2942]

A woman in south Florida who had received one dose of coronavirus vaccine while pregnant recently gave birth to the first known baby born with Covid-19 antibodies “after maternal vaccination”, two pediatricians claimed.

Researchers analyzed blood from the baby’s umbilical cord and antibodies “were detected … at time of delivery”, their paper said. “Thus, there is potential for protection and infection risk reduction from Sars-CoV-2 with maternal vaccination.”

US woman gives birth to first known baby with Covid antibodies, doctors say

I find this very interesting, and very disturbing. Perhaps, because I grew up in the era of "Thalidomide babies". You couldn't have paid me to take a vaccine that has not been through rigorous testing while pregnant.

This vaccine is still very new...

 

[MimosaMornings]

Brian Levine, MD on Twitter:
My 99-year-old home bound grandmother, 2 weeks shy of her 100th birthday, has tested positive for COVID. She was infected by my fully vaccinated mother who also tested positive. You can still contract and transmit COVID after vaccination. Be careful. Prayers appreciated.

comment: the grandmother was not vaccinated. the mother was fully vaccinated in Feb. The mother has mild cold symptoms that she thought was "only a cold" bbm

 

[Gibbo214]

I find this very interesting, and very disturbing. Perhaps, because I grew up in the era of "Thalidomide babies". You couldn't have paid me to take a vaccine that has not been through rigorous testing while pregnant.

This vaccine is still very new...

Thalidomide was not a vaccine. It was a treatmemt for morning sickness.

 

[nightowl1975]

Thalidomide was not a vaccine. It was a treatmemt for morning sickness.

Perhaps the point was it’s a risk to inject or ingest a drug or vaccine while pregnant when you have zero clue if it crosses the placenta or not, and if it does, what the impact may or may not be. Just taking a guess based on the totality of the discussion. Each pregnant woman has to weigh the benefits and risks for herself and her unborn child, of course, but it would be foolish to suggest there aren’t both risks and benefits to either choice.

 

[Gibbo214]

President John Magufuli of Tanzania, possibly the single most vehement COVID denier among global leaders, has just passed away from COVID.

Was he the person who claimed that Covid was found in watermelon and goats?

 

[Gibbo214]

Perhaps the point was it’s a risk to inject or ingest a drug or vaccine while pregnant when you have zero clue if it crosses the placenta or not, and if it does, what the impact may or may not be. Just taking a guess based on the totality of the discussion. Each pregnant woman has to weigh the benefits and risks for herself and her unborn child, of course, but it would be foolish to suggest there aren’t both risks and benefits to either choice.

Yes, and that is fine, but do not try to lump a treatment in with a vaccine.

 

[Cool Cats]

Was he the person who claimed that Covid was found in watermelon and goats?

Tanzania's COVID-skeptic President John Magufuli dies at 61

He didn't mean the virus comes from goats and fruit, he was just testing for false positives but I can see why it looks like he said that.

Magufuli had downplayed the severity of the virus.

At one point he made fun of the country's coronavirus testing facilities, saying he had secretly sent samples of papaya and goat and that they came out positive.

Though he never provided proof of that claim, he warned that those results could mean that people were getting false positive results.

 

[Gibbo214]

Tanzania's COVID-skeptic President John Magufuli dies at 61

He didn't mean the virus comes from goats and fruit, he was just testing for false positives but I can see why it looks like he said that.

Magufuli had downplayed the severity of the virus.

At one point he made fun of the country's coronavirus testing facilities, saying he had secretly sent samples of papaya and goat and that they came out positive.

Though he never provided proof of that claim, he warned that those results could mean that people were getting false positive results.

And people took that on and quoted it as fact, without saying where it came from. Just that it had been 'proven'.

 

[Cool Cats]

And people took that on and quoted it as fact, without saying where it came from. Just that it had been 'proven'.

It wasn't even proven that he sent in goat and fruit samples.

Conspiracy theories all over the place.....!

 

[Cool Cats]

March 16, 2021
AstraZeneca vaccine risk is ‘not concerning, appears more politically motivated’: doctor

More than a dozen countries in the European Union have suspended distribution of AstraZeneca’s vaccine due to blood clot concerns, further complicating a vaccination effort that was already lagging across the region.

The call to pause the rollout is being questioned by some health experts, who say the data simply does not support the decision.

• The European Medicines Agency, the World Health Organization, and AstraZeneca have insisted that there is no evidence for such a connection. AstraZeneca said its data showed that such clots are occurring less in vaccinated groups than in the general population.

The countries suspending the vaccine generally defended the move as an example of extreme caution, designed to maximize confidence in the shot.

But, as the list of countries grew longer, some experts said that the suspensions are more likely to undermine confidence. And while the programs are paused, the virus is still infecting people.

Here is the list of countries that have suspended the AstraZenec vaccine:

• Sweden
• Slovenia
• Latvia
• Spain
• Luxembourg
• Indonesia
• The Netherlands
• Ireland
• Denmark
• Norway
• Iceland
• Bulgaria
• Germany
• France
• Italy
• Democratic Republic of Congo

 

[Gibbo214]

March 16, 2021
AstraZeneca vaccine risk is ‘not concerning, appears more politically motivated’: doctor

More than a dozen countries in the European Union have suspended distribution of AstraZeneca’s vaccine due to blood clot concerns, further complicating a vaccination effort that was already lagging across the region.

The call to pause the rollout is being questioned by some health experts, who say the data simply does not support the decision.

• The European Medicines Agency, the World Health Organization, and AstraZeneca have insisted that there is no evidence for such a connection. AstraZeneca said its data showed that such clots are occurring less in vaccinated groups than in the general population.

The countries suspending the vaccine generally defended the move as an example of extreme caution, designed to maximize confidence in the shot.

But, as the list of countries grew longer, some experts said that the suspensions are more likely to undermine confidence. And while the programs are paused, the virus is still infecting people.

Here is the list of countries that have suspended the AstraZenec vaccine:

• Sweden
• Slovenia
• Latvia
• Spain
• Luxembourg
• Indonesia
• The Netherlands
• Ireland
• Denmark
• Norway
• Iceland
• Bulgaria
• Germany
• France
• Italy
• Democratic Republic of Congo

Good. Maybe they will send it to people who will take it.

 

[Cool Cats]

Good. Maybe they will send it to people who will take it.

Yup!

 

[ilovewings]

95% protection is NOT 100% protection. That leaves the question of how the "protection gap" between 50%-in this case 95%-and 100% will look like. Will it give room to more dangerous variants ?

3 fully vaccinated Hawai'i residents contract COVID-19, DOH repo - Honolulu, Hawaii news, sports & weather - KITV Channel 4

A vaccine that is 95% effective will protect 95 out of 100 people, meaning 5% may still contract the virus if exposed


One break through case involved a healthcare worker who visited multiple cities in the U.S. then tested positive after returning to Oahu. Dr. Melinda Ashton, Chief Quality Officer with Hawaii Pacific Health says that's an example of why traveling may increase risk of infection.


"Absolutely you need to be careful during those times when you’re in the airport, on the airplane, with other people in larger groups," Ashton said.

COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science

This article explains what 95% efficacy actually means: It means that vaccinated people had a 95% lower risk of getting Covid compared with a control group
who were not vaccinated- In other words, vaccinated people in the Pfizer clinical
trials were 20 times less likely than the control group to get Covid 19. According to this article, this indicates that the vaccine is one of the most effective vaccines that we have.

 

[GRT]

Poisoning stats - from the US Poison Control Centers - seem to reflect that. Due to the timing of a significant increase in this type of poisoning.

Accidental Poisonings Increased After President Trump's Disinfectant Comments

The Time article tickled me, but it doesn't blame Trump for an increase of bleach poisonings. Trump made a stupid comment, but if someone drank bleach due to his comment, they have more issues than just being dumb enough to drink bleach.

To be fair, correlation doesn't equal causation.

What else was happening during the period in time? People were disinfecting their homes at a rabid rate. We all were. Problem is -- bleach is toxin, and so are its fumes. From your link:

"Most of the poisonings were the result of inhalation of fumes, but there were ingestion cases as well, typically among children who got their hands on chemicals left out in the open."

That's pretty clear. The poisoning weren't the result of Trump's dumb comment. They were the result of people not understanding the inherent dangers of bleach as they were using it.

That said, it is kind of funny. Just not accurate.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yes, and that is fine, but do not try to lump a treatment in with a vaccine.

Some folks forget how many people die or have severe rxns to tylenol, penicillin (>500 deaths/year) , sulfa drugs etc etc each year.

 

[tabitha111]

Paper published yesterday:
Serum Neutralizing Activity Elicited by mRNA-1273 Vaccine | NEJM

Moderna vaccine shows reduced activity against South Africa B.1.351, Brazil (P.1), and California (B.1.427/B.1.429) coronavirus variants. However, it remains highly active against U.K. B.1.1.7 variant.

 

[ilovewings]

Some folks forget how many people die or have severe rxns to tylenol, penicillin (>500 deaths/year) , sulfa drugs etc etc each year.

I believe those are anaphylactic shock type of reactions as opposed to some of the reactions we have heard of such as blood clotting, immune thrombocytopenia, and some other reactions that may have been fatal, and for which the mechanism is unknown. Tylenol can cause liver damage if taken in excess but anaphylactic reactions to antibiotics such as sulfa, penicillin and others do occur, as we know.

I have had the first Moderna shot and will have the 2nd next week, but I admit to being a tad anxious about it. I think about that 39 year old woman from Utah: Yes, that was a 1 in a million type of reaction: you just hope you are not the 1 in a million person that could react that way. Those fatal reactions occurred over days- they were not anaphylactic reactions. There is no way to prove they were related to the vaccine, but to my mind there is no doubt they are, based on the timing of the reaction and the death that followed.