Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #96

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  • #721
Both Kara Eaker and her teammate and roommate, Leanne Wong, train at GAGE in Missouri. IIRC, during a post Olympic Trials press conference, Leanne Wong confirmed that she had NOT been vaccinated.

I hope that both gymnasts will be ok, and hope (optimistically), that there will be no more cases.
 
  • #722
Dixie... this just sounds horrifying. Is your albuterol with the machine and the little tubes of liquid. I have this from severe pneumonia back in 2018.... quit using it long ago..... but started again with SOB I could not understand... Makes a world of difference.... keep using it!!!!!!!

No machine.. just puffer.
 
  • #723
Similar but not quite a scary! Copd as well, finally went to local urgent care on Sunday morning, no COVID test, no chest X-ray but prescribed antibiotics & steroid pills, grrr!

Best wishes, we're in this together!
 
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ESTIMATED EFFECTIVENESS OF PFIZER-BIONTECH VACCINE
Anywhere from 64 to 96 percent effective against the delta variant with two doses.

Here's How Well COVID-19 Vaccines Work Against the Delta Variant
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The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine
Due to limited research so far, trying to determine the effectiveness of each vaccine against the delta variant remains a challenge. However, there have been promising results from multiple studies.

Study 1 and real-life data
According to an analysis carried out by Public Health England, two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine appeared to be about 88 percent effective against symptomatic disease and 96 percent effective against hospitalization with the delta variant.

The same study suggested that the vaccine was approximately 80 percent effective against preventing infection from the delta variant. Scientists came to this conclusion after analyzing 14,019 people with an infection, 166 of whom were hospitalized, in England.

Vaccines had a protective effect against infections with delta and hospital cases were milder, the study found.

Public Health England also shared real-world data in May that solidified the importance of having a second dose of COVID-19 vaccine. The analysis suggested that a single dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine offered only about 33 percent protection against symptomatic disease.

This was a reduction from the previous 50 percent effectiveness estimated against the alpha variant.

The study also found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 88 percent effective against the delta variant 2 weeks after the second dose.

Study 2
A reportTrusted Source published in the journal Nature reflected the findings that a single shot of a two-dose vaccine such as Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca provided “barely” any protection.

However, researchers also reported that people who had received two doses of a vaccine had significantly more protection against infection with the delta variant, with researchers estimating a level of 95 percent effectiveness.

The study also found that the delta variant was less sensitive to “sera from naturally immunized individuals,” meaning people who had a prior infection may not be protected against reinfection with the delta variant.

Study 3
A study in Canada, meanwhile, found that two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine worked just as well against the delta variant as it did with alpha. It has not yet been peer reviewed.

The study suggested the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was around 87 percent effective 14 days after two doses.

Study 4
A study in ScotlandTrusted Source found similar results. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, researchers concluded, offered “very good” protection against the delta variant and demonstrated 79 percent effectiveness 14 days after receiving the second dose.

Study 5
A study in Israel was more of an outlier and found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine did not offer as high protection as previously estimated. The study suggested the vaccine was about 64 percent effective against preventing infection with the delta variant and 64 percent effective against symptomatic illness after two doses.

But scientists have pointed out that the full data has not yet been released, and it may have included asymptomatic infections picked up by Israel’s surveillance program.

ESTIMATED EFFECTIVENESS OF PFIZER-BIONTECH VACCINE
Anywhere from 64 to 96 percent effective against the delta variant with two doses.
 
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  • #727
Both Kara Eaker and her teammate and roommate, Leanne Wong, train at GAGE in Missouri. IIRC, during a post Olympic Trials press conference, Leanne Wong confirmed that she had NOT been vaccinated.

I hope that both gymnasts will be ok, and hope (optimistically), that there will be no more cases.

Ms. Wong to Ms. Eaker: "I'm sorry that I ruined your chance of a lifetime to compete at the Olympics, because I wouldn't get vaccinated. So Sorry."
 
  • #728
Can I deduce then that 40% of hospitalization are vaccinated?:eek::(

(OFFICIAL) 60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser
LONDON, July 19 (Reuters) - Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.
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My guess, even most unvaccinated in UK have some immunity from natural infection. Their hospital admission numbers and deaths are low, and I don't think it's because delta is less deadly.
 
  • #729
Ms. Wong isn't positive as far as I can tell.
So whoever gave covid to Ms. Eaker it was not Ms. Wong.
 
  • #730
Ms. Wong to Ms. Eaker: "I'm sorry that I ruined your chance of a lifetime to compete at the Olympics, because I wouldn't get vaccinated. So Sorry."

Both young women, (Leanne is 17), are actually alternates for the main team, and come from the same gym in Missouri. I wish both young ladies the very best.
I am however concerned that the US team (4 gymnasts, plus 2 specialist/individual gymnasts), plus the 4 alternates have not been quarantined since the Olympic Trials (in Missouri), and have been training together in Tokyo. It appears to me that things could have been handled better. All JMO.

Tokyo Olympics: Missouri gym sends off Kara Eaker, Leanne Wong

There is lots more out there on the interwebs, but as not MSM, I'm not linking here.
 
  • #731
I want continued clarification on EACH of the vaccines. Today, they are reporting poorer protection ratios specifically with the Astra Zeneca vaccine, which is the most widely used in the UK.

I have been seeing regular updating on the Pfizer vaccine studies, but not the Moderna.
Does anyone know of studies comparing the two? I know they say that they are the same rDNA, but clearly the Pfizer IS administered differently (freezing), so there must be differences.
 
  • #732
I want continued clarification on EACH of the vaccines. Today, they are reporting poorer protection ratios specifically with the Astra Zeneca vaccine, which is the most widely used in the UK.

I have been seeing regular updating on the Pfizer vaccine studies, but not the Moderna.
Does anyone know of studies comparing the two? I know they say that they are the same rDNA, but clearly the Pfizer IS administered differently (freezing), so there must be differences.
Israel used Pfizer, and UK used some Pfizer, which is why there is a lot more data on Pfizer than Moderna. As far as I can tell, Moderna and Pfizer usually produce very similar results.
 
  • #733
I want continued clarification on EACH of the vaccines. Today, they are reporting poorer protection ratios specifically with the Astra Zeneca vaccine, which is the most widely used in the UK.

I have been seeing regular updating on the Pfizer vaccine studies, but not the Moderna.
Does anyone know of studies comparing the two? I know they say that they are the same rDNA, but clearly the Pfizer IS administered differently (freezing), so the
re must be differences.

IMO, I would say that there COULD be differences between Pfizer's and Moderna's efficacy against the Delta variant, rather than there MUST be differences ;)

IIRC, the low temperature requirements for both the Moderna and Pfizer RNA vaccines were to ensure the stability of the lipid nano particles, which surround and protect the RNA itself. I believe that those extremely strict requirements have been slightly relaxed since both vaccines were initially released. Take it as all JMO, as I don't have links to hand.

However, both Pfizer and AZ seem to be showing excellent efficacy against severe disease, hospitalization, and death from the Delta variant, even if the efficacy against INFECTION is not as stellar as for the original variant (s) tested against.

How effective are coronavirus vaccines against the Delta variant?
 

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  • #735
Can I deduce then that 40% of hospitalization are vaccinated?:eek::(

(OFFICIAL) 60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser
LONDON, July 19 (Reuters) - Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.
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Bear in mind around 46 million (adults) have had at least one vaccination, only 6 million haven’t. So of those hospital admissions, a significantly high proportion are unvaccinated in comparison.

So… there are approx 4000 patients currently in hospital, of which:
1600 are vaccinated, out of 46m people
2400 are unvaccinated, out of 6m people.

By my rough calculations that means you’re at least 10 times more likely to be admitted to hospital if you do not have the vaccine, than a vaccinated person.

(Just read that back and I’m not sure it makes sense! I’m hot, tired and a bit grumpy so could someone check the maths, pretty please)
 
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Good news is that Kara is doing well with no symptoms, Simone and the rest of the regular team have been vaccinated, and all Olympic athletes and coaches have been moved to their own rooms now, no more sharing rooms. I can't wait to see the girls on the podium!


U.S. gymnast tests positive for coronavirus days before Tokyo Olympics | KTLA
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The four alternates — Eaker, Wong, Kayla DiCello and Emma Malabuyo — traveled to Japan with the six-woman U.S. delegation of world and Olympic champion Simone Biles, Jordan Chiles, Grace McCallum, Sunisa Lee, MyKayla Skinner and Jade Carey.

The positive test came after Eaker received what was described as a “false positive” over the weekend. Eaker took a subsequent test that was negative before testing positive again multiple times.

“Kara is s doing very well with no symptoms,” Karla Grimes, who works at GAGE Center, the gym in the Kansas City, Missouri, suburbs where Eaker trains, said in an email to the AP. “She is incredibly strong and very brave. Although this is a very disappointing outcome for her, she wants everyone to know she is OK.”

Biles, who is also the world champion, and the rest of the regular team have been vaccinated. Skinner, who made the team in the “plus-one spot” — meaning she can compete as an individual in Tokyo — following Olympic Trials did battle both COVID-19 and pneumonia last winter.

Alternates have been rooming with other alternates since arriving in Japan, with the competitive team rooming with fellow competitors. All Olympic athletes and coaches have been moved to their own rooms since the positive test, with the Olympic athletes also moving to a new hotel, as was originally planned.
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  • #738
Can I deduce then that 40% of hospitalization are vaccinated?:eek::(

(OFFICIAL) 60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser
LONDON, July 19 (Reuters) - Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.
...

I was reading an article the other day that said that while "vaccinated", many of those people had only one dose. With one dose, of course, not being as effective as two doses.

It would be nice (but probably impractical to MSM) if it was reported how many people in hospital were fully vaccinated, how many had one dose, how many had none. For the sake of accuracy - and to perhaps encourage all people to get their second dose.

(No link ... I will see if I can find the article again, and add it)
 
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  • #739
Can I deduce then that 40% of hospitalization are vaccinated?:eek::(

(OFFICIAL) 60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser
LONDON, July 19 (Reuters) - Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.
...

Reading between the lines of the article, some of that 40% may be that they are not double vaccinated and 21 days post 2 shots for full protection. MOO

Bear in mind around 46 million (adults) have had at least one vaccination, only 6 million haven’t. So of those hospital admissions, a significantly high proportion are unvaccinated in comparison.

So… there are approx 4000 patients currently in hospital, of which:
1600 are vaccinated, out of 46m people
2400 are unvaccinated, out of 6m people.

By my rough calculations that means you’re at least 10 times more likely to be admitted to hospital if you do not have the vaccine, than a vaccinated person.

(Just read that back and I’m not sure it makes sense! I’m hot, tired and a bit grumpy so could someone check the maths, pretty please)

Excellent point!
 
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https://www.the-sun.com/news/330800...-boris-johnson-nightclubs-coronavirus-latest/

“BRITS will have to show proof of two Covid jabs to get into nightclubs from the end of September, Boris Johnson announced on Freedom Day.

The shock announcement came after ministers had previously ruled out “papers to party” and insisted any such scheme would be voluntary for nightclubs.

Speaking from Chequers where he has been forced to isolate for 10 days, the PM added: “We’re concerned, as they are in other countries, by the continuing risk posed by nightclubs.

“I should serve notice now that by the end of September, when all over-18s will have had their chance to be double jabbed, we’re planning to make full vaccination the condition of entry to nightclubs and other venues where large crowds gather.

“Proof of a negative test will no longer be enough. I don’t want to have to close nightclubs again as they have elsewhere, but it does mean nightclubs need to do the socially responsible thing and make use of the NHS Covid pass.”

Freedom Day got underway early as huge queues of Brits entered clubs at midnight on Monday for dancing, boozing and partying without any face masks or social distancing.”
 
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