Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #97

[LadyL]

White House to maintain travel restrictions as Delta ravages unvaccinated Americans

 

[weepingangel]

Veteran Affairs Imposing Vaccine Mandate on 115,000 Healthcare Workers - News & Guts Media

 

[CoverMeCagney]

A useful “weekly trends” tab has been added to Worldometers. What the heck has gone wrong in Iceland?! We’ve discussed the island nation thing, yet Iceland is neither a travel hub nor a particularly common summer holiday destination. Their cases have gone up over 1000% this week from 43 to 515

COVID-19 Weekly Trends by Country - Worldometer

 

[SouthAussie]

A useful “weekly trends” tab has been added to Worldometers. What the heck has gone wrong in Iceland?! We’ve discussed the island nation thing, yet Iceland is neither a travel hub nor a particularly common summer holiday destination. Their cases have gone up over 1000% this week from 43 to 515

COVID-19 Weekly Trends by Country - Worldometer

This article says that their covid-limited condition led to a huge uptake in tourists wanting to go there.

Another interesting thing. Iceland was said to have reached herd immunity. I guess maybe they were mistaken. The goal posts seem to have moved.


In June, more than 42,000 people packed their suitcases and boarded flights not to tropical beaches or resorts but to a much colder alternative: Iceland.

Iceland, which has reached herd immunity, has some of the world’s highest vaccination rates; 70 percent of people are fully vaccinated, and as of June 28, 87 percent of adults had received at least one dose.

The country’s vaccination success is an extension of what has been an overwhelmingly effective pandemic response: Not only did it manage to avoid lockdowns, but it also only had 30 deaths.

Why Is Everyone Going to Iceland?

 

[jjenny]

Island reached herd immunity, but not for delta. Delta is much more infectious. So previous herd immunity doesn't work with delta.

 

[SouthAussie]

Island reached herd immunity, but not for delta. Delta is much more infectious. So previous herd immunity doesn't work with delta.

Yes, agreed. Which leads to the question ... how much vaccination/previous infection is required for herd immunity with Delta?

Evidently, 70% full vaccination (87% with at least one dose) is not enough to stop the sickness.

Hopefully it is enough to stop the deaths.

 

[WildOrchid]

So I got a call today from my adult child. Her fully vaccinated friend (who she saw on Saturday) tested positive today. There are symptoms but I’m not sure what they are yet. My child was at my house where 5 of us are fully vaxxed and a young child is not. Now we wait.

 

[jjenny]

So I got a call today from my adult child. Her fully vaccinated friend (who she saw on Saturday) tested positive today. There are symptoms but I’m not sure what they are yet. My child was at my house where 5 of us are fully vaxxed and a young child is not. Now we wait.

Yikes. Hopefully none of you will test positive.

 

[ilovewings]

Seems to me that the CDC initially thought vaccines were stronger against Delta than they have turned out to be- so what they did was tell people who were vaccinated, you can pretty much do what you want- dump the mask and go about your business. When the CDC made that statement almost all restrictions across the country were dropped and people started living life like it was prior to the pandemic. About that time, Delta was just beginning to emerge and people were now getting together in large crowds like baseball games: Most people stopped wearing masks including the non-vaccinated- over the ensuing weeks Delta has surged, especially in low vaccine states, but has also shown itself to break through the vaccines in a certain percentage of people ( don't know the percentage but it is higher than we initially told it would be). To date the CDC has not come out with a statement that people need to mask up again. The CDC has been a day late and a dollar short during this entire pandemic.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

A useful “weekly trends” tab has been added to Worldometers. What the heck has gone wrong in Iceland?! We’ve discussed the island nation thing, yet Iceland is neither a travel hub nor a particularly common summer holiday destination. Their cases have gone up over 1000% this week from 43 to 515

COVID-19 Weekly Trends by Country - Worldometer

But no deaths in the past two weeks.
I am wondering if the herd immunity is still working.....but lots of delta breakthrough cases...

Look at some of the other countries too....

Indonesia is SO weird..... Down 18 percent in cases, this week with 1023 cases.
BUT deaths in the last two 7 day periods: 9846, and 7565...up 30%.

Indonesia 283,000 344,103 -18% 1,023 9,846 7,565

 

[MimosaMornings]

So I got a call today from my adult child. Her fully vaccinated friend (who she saw on Saturday) tested positive today. There are symptoms but I’m not sure what they are yet. My child was at my house where 5 of us are fully vaxxed and a young child is not. Now we wait.

Oh my goodness! Saying a prayer for all especially the little one who isn’t vaccinated.
Did the friend have symptoms suddenly show up the next day to prompt getting a test?
Saw her friend and then came to see you the same day? The waiting has to be difficult.

 

[katydid23]

So I got a call today from my adult child. Her fully vaccinated friend (who she saw on Saturday) tested positive today. There are symptoms but I’m not sure what they are yet. My child was at my house where 5 of us are fully vaxxed and a young child is not. Now we wait.

I just got the exact same call...

 

[MimosaMornings]

I just got the exact same call...

Whoa.....this is starting to really scare me!!

 

[SouthAussie]

But no deaths in the past two weeks.
I am wondering if the herd immunity is still working.....but lots of delta breakthrough cases...

Look at some of the other countries too....

Indonesia is SO weird..... Down 18 percent in cases, this week with 1023 cases.
BUT deaths in the last two 7 day periods: 9846, and 7565...up 30%.

Indonesia 283,000 344,103 -18% 1,023 9,846 7,565

Indonesia has been under very tight restrictions, trying to stem the surge in cases. Though they want to lift the restrictions now because there is no govt financial support and people need to eat.
They are running out of oxygen, and their hospital facilities are poor (always have been) and filled to capacity, so many die at home.
They are in a terrible predicament.


Research organisation Our World in Data said the country had a death rate three times higher than the global average.
Mr Suarjaya said patients in Bali needed 113.3 tonnes of oxygen on Thursday, while hospitals only had 40.5 tonnes.
Oxygen shortages have also been seen on neighbouring Java.
Bali running out of oxygen as coronavirus restrictions set to end

As overwhelmed hospitals are forced to turn away the sick, more people are dying at home in isolation. Many have never even had the chance to be treated by a medical professional.
‘It cannot be contained’: Indonesia COVID deaths go unreported

 

[GRT]

Indonesia has been under very tight restrictions, trying to stem the surge in cases. Though they want to lift the restrictions now because there is no govt financial support and people need to eat.
They are running out of oxygen, and their hospital facitilities are poor (always have been) and filled to capacity, so many die at home.
They are in a terrible predicament.


Research organisation Our World in Data said the country had a death rate three times higher than the global average.
Mr Suarjaya said patients in Bali needed 113.3 tonnes of oxygen on Thursday, while hospitals only had 40.5 tonnes.
Oxygen shortages have also been seen on neighbouring Java.
Bali running out of oxygen as coronavirus restrictions set to end

As overwhelmed hospitals are forced to turn away the sick, more people are dying at home in isolation. Many have never even had the chance to be treated by a medical professional.
‘It cannot be contained’: Indonesia COVID deaths go unreported

And, they're seeing more children die with Delta.

Hundreds of children in Indonesia have died from the coronavirus in recent weeks, many of them under age 5, a mortality rate greater than that of any other country and one that challenges the idea that children face minimal risk from Covid-19, doctors say.

The deaths, more than 100 a week this month, have come as Indonesia confronts its biggest surge yet in coronavirus cases over all — and as its leaders face mounting criticism that they have been unprepared and slow to act.

No Longer ‘Hidden Victims,’ Children Are Dying as Virus Surges in Indonesia

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Happy to report local hospital here in my home town was calm, well organised, friendly and v low wait times today. I had a 10 minute wait in A and E / ER ! Same again in clinic I was referred to and one hour wait for an ultrasound. So impressed. And the staff could not have been more helpful. Hopefully this snapshot bodes well for how the nhs is doing at the moment. Everywhere masks, distancing and hand steriliser still.

 

[jjenny]

But no deaths in the past two weeks.
I am wondering if the herd immunity is still working.....but lots of delta breakthrough cases...

Look at some of the other countries too....

Indonesia is SO weird..... Down 18 percent in cases, this week with 1023 cases.
BUT deaths in the last two 7 day periods: 9846, and 7565...up 30%.

Indonesia 283,000 344,103 -18% 1,023 9,846 7,565

Deaths lag cases. So its seeing deaths from earlier increase in cases, since a lot of people don't die right away.

 

[jjenny]

Seems to me that the CDC initially thought vaccines were stronger against Delta than they have turned out to be- so what they did was tell people who were vaccinated, you can pretty much do what you want- dump the mask and go about your business. When the CDC made that statement almost all restrictions across the country were dropped and people started living life like it was prior to the pandemic. About that time, Delta was just beginning to emerge and people were now getting together in large crowds like baseball games: Most people stopped wearing masks including the non-vaccinated- over the ensuing weeks Delta has surged, especially in low vaccine states, but has also shown itself to break through the vaccines in a certain percentage of people ( don't know the percentage but it is higher than we initially told it would be). To date the CDC has not come out with a statement that people need to mask up again. The CDC has been a day late and a dollar short during this entire pandemic.

I don't really know what CDC thought. Clearly they knew variants were spreading, and some of them could evade vaccines. And now there seems to be a lot of evidence delta can partially evade vaccines, and they still haven't come to say vaccinated people need to mask and take precautions because delta is a whole different ballgame. So vaccinated people (and un-vaccinated too) behave as if pandemic were over and then end up shocked because they get infected.

 

[MsJosie]

I don't really know what CDC thought. Clearly they knew variants were spreading, and some of them could evade vaccines. And now there seems to be a lot of evidence delta can partially evade vaccines, and they still haven't come to say vaccinated people need to mask and take precautions because delta is a whole different ballgame. So vaccinated people (and un-vaccinated too) behave as if pandemic were over and then end up shocked because they get infected.

I agree with you.

I think pressure was put on CDC from the White House via Congress via the Public. CDC went along hoping the variants would not get as bad. Summer is a time for gathering and fun and of course the spread of the virus. We saw what happened in other Countries and knew it would happen here, it was just a matter of time. Time has come.

I rather see people wear masks then see businesses close again. At least people can go out. Children can go to school.

JMOO

 

[katydid23]

Whoa.....this is starting to really scare me!!

Yup. My entire family is fully vaccinated, except of course my 6 yr old grand baby.

On Sunday my daughter had just our immediate family over, for an outdoor BBQ and to meet her brand new puppy.

Today my daughter called, very worried, and said her fully vaccinated best friend had stopped by briefly Sunday morning to see the puppy. She is a vet tech and was going to look him over.

She was sitting in the same area as we all were much later that day. She called my daughter today to say that her co-worker had tested positive today for Covid. She had worked with that same co-worker all last week.

So my daughter and her bf are going to get tested on Wednesday. They had visited with her for about 20 minutes in the back yard, no masks. And they all took turns holding the puppy/ So I hope he doesn't get sick too. Didnt they say dogs could be infected?

We are all in quarantine at this time.