Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #98

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  • #401
I posted a couple of articles about John Hopkins and Worldometer a few weeks back. They get their data from different sources. For the US, John Hopkins can be considered more reliable. (Essentially, Worldometer gets its data from whatever sources it can find online.)

Wildly different stats though! They’ve never matched exactly but been similar enough to allow for reporting lags or whatever (same with other countries). But lately the differences are just off the scale - and rather alarming if you focus on the JHU updates!
 
  • #402
Wildly different stats though! They’ve never matched exactly but been similar enough to allow for reporting lags or whatever (same with other countries). But lately the differences are just off the scale - and rather alarming if you focus on the JHU updates!

That, to me, says that Worldometer are not able to locate stats for all areas of the US. I suspect some states have stopped publishing their stats regularly. We already know that FL has changed to only publishing their stats on a weekly basis.

I think John Hopkins likely has other ways of getting their info. Just my opinion.
 
  • #403
That, to me, says that Worldometer are not able to locate stats for all areas of the US. I suspect some states have stopped publishing their stats regularly. We already know that FL has changed to only publishing their stats on a weekly basis.

I think John Hopkins likely has other ways of getting their info. Just my opinion.

In which case the US is in much worse shape than I thought :(
 
  • #404
Georgia County Shuts Down All Schools Amid Major Student COVID Outbreak — HuffPost

“Schools in Ware County in southeastern Georgia are now closed until at least Aug. 27, and students won’t be allowed back until Sept. 7 at the earliest, according to officials. Schools will not offer virtual classes during that time, according to WSAV-TV.

Four other small school districts in Georgia suspended in-person instruction earlier in the week, as COVID-19 cases among students soared.

As of Friday in Ware schools, 76 students had tested positive for COVID-19, and another 679 students were quarantined, out of a total of 5,900 students. Smith said 353 students were quarantined because of exposure outside of school, according to WJXT.

Among the district’s 950 school employees, 67 have tested positive and an additional 150 have been quarantined.

Only 29% of people in Ware County have been fully vaccinated. Georgia ranks among the bottom eight states in terms of vaccination rates, with just 39.4% of its population fully vaccinated.
 
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Schools closing in GA with no remote option backup plan, fully vaxxed are getting sick now and dying, people very passionately raging on both sides (in my area, they seem very uneducated though and mostly thinking in conspiracy terms).....what in the world will ever become of us? I thought it was exhausting and depleting mentally the first time around. This is worse! I can’t even believe it anymore.
 
  • #407
Sun, August 15, 2021, 7:25 AM
Frontline workers are tired of policing masks and vaccines - and now they're demanding government intervention

Teachers, flight attendants, and retail workers are bearing the burden of vaccine and mask rule enforcement.

Flight attendants, who have been spat at and punched when trying to get passengers to put on face masks, told Insider they want better protection from the Federal Aviation Administration.

Tyler Hollinger, the owner of Festivál Cafe in New York City, said he felt frustrated businesses and workers must enforce the city's vaccine mandate without additional compensation.

"If the state wants private business to do the policing, then they should compensate us to do the government's job of policing," Hollinger told Insider.
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Now, as the Delta variant spreads, workers are again bracing for violence as more cities and corporations re-instate mask requirements.

"I think having a mask mandate again will make those difficult customers elevate to new levels of rebellion and anger," an Ikea worker in California told Insider. "The first time around I was scared every time I told someone they had to wear a mask, because I wasn't sure if they would comply or if they would cuss at me and spit at me."

Similarly, more small business owners have decided to require customers show proof of vaccination before entering - and have been met with online backlash for the decision. Several business owners told Insider they have dealt with angry phone calls, one-star reviews, and negative emails after announcing the vaccine mandate.

As businesses and workers lead the charge to keep Americans safe from COVD-19, they are asking for more government aid. When US cities and states implemented mask mandates last year, retail workers faced physical abuse and violence when enforcing the policy.
 
  • #408
Sturgis attendees were going to attend whether Obama had his party or not. As far as I can tell, everybody attending Obama's party was vaccinated and tested. We can't say the same about Sturgis.


I don't think either event should get a pass. As I posted, 27 vaccinated persons aboard the cruise ship are now infected and quarantined.

I get it why people want to travel and celebrate, I just think this isn't the time to be doing it.
 
  • #409
And where’s the media while 2 people (also vaccinated) are on vents this week in my small community ? Crazy how we very rarely hear of the vaccinated dying every day

Because they are such a small percentage.

.... a New York Times analysis of data from 40 states and Washington, D.C. ... Fully vaccinated people have made up as few as 0.1 percent of and as many as 5 percent of those hospitalized with the virus in those states, and as few as 0.2 percent and as many as 6 percent of those who have died.
Data was not available for several states in which the virus has been surging, including Florida and Missouri.
See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State


That means at least 94% of the covid deaths are unvaccinated people, and as much as 99.8% of the deaths are unvaccinated people - depending on which state you are looking at.


All of these stats are breakthrough infections:
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The last column is (of all covid deaths) the percentage of vaccinated people who have died from covid.
The second column is (of all covid hospitalisations) the percentage of vaccinated people who have been hospitalised with covid.
It is an extremely small percentage. Unvaccinated people are definitely the ones who are suffering from serious covid far, far more.
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And where’s the media while 2 people (also vaccinated) are on vents this week in my small community ? Crazy how we very rarely hear of the vaccinated dying every day

Obviously you heard about these deaths thru the media --- It is no secret that there are rare serious sickness and deaths when Delta breaks thru the vaccine. It does happen but it is rare--- and it is concerning. My guess would be that vaccinated people who got very ill or died were exposed to a very significant viral load. As for myself, being vaccinated does not change the way I live my life- like I am not vaccinated. Masks, no dining out, no crowds- trying not to expose myself to a large viral load.
 
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Obviously you heard about these deaths thru the media --- It is no secret that there are rare serious sickness and deaths when Delta breaks thru the vaccine. It does happen but it is rare--- and it is concerning. My guess would be that vaccinated people who got very ill or died were exposed to a very significant viral load. As for myself, being vaccinated does not change the way I live my life- like I am not vaccinated. Masks, no dining out, no crowds- trying not to expose myself to a large viral load.

Interim Estimates of Vaccine Effectiveness of BNT162b2 and mRNA

Which COVID-19 vaccine is the best? | Ohio State Medical Center

None of the vaccines give 100% protection. Some covid cases will happen. Same with other types of vaccines.

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Effectiveness

Clinical trial data shows that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are 95% and 94.1% effective, respectively, at preventing COVID-19 illness. This is extraordinary for a virus vaccine — the annual flu vaccine, for example, is sometimes in the 50%-60% range of effectiveness at best, but is still so helpful at preventing illness that it’s recommended every year.

The effectiveness of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot can drop to 83.7% within four to six months after getting the second dose of its vaccine.

In clinical trials, the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine showed 85% effectiveness in preventing severe COVID-19 and 100% effectiveness in preventing hospitalizations and death at 28 days after the injection. Get details on how the vaccines work.

Number of shots and intervals between doses
  • Pfizer requires a second dose 21 days after the first dose.
  • Moderna requires a second dose 28 days after the first dose.
  • Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine is designed to be delivered in one dose.
 
  • #413
Obviously you heard about these deaths thru the media --- It is no secret that there are rare serious sickness and deaths when Delta breaks thru the vaccine. It does happen but it is rare--- and it is concerning. My guess would be that vaccinated people who got very ill or died were exposed to a very significant viral load. As for myself, being vaccinated does not change the way I live my life- like I am not vaccinated. Masks, no dining out, no crowds- trying not to expose myself to a large viral load.
No media. That’s my point. I’m glad you’re taking all the extra precautions. The elderly should. It only makes sense to. They have a higher risk of dying from Covid-19.
 
  • #414
Dr. Dan Stock's anti-vax comments went viral. They were also wrong.

Dr. Daniel “Dan” Stock: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Dr. Dan Stock looked and sounded the part. He was well-dressed, well-spoken, credentialed and explained complicated medical terms with ease, so even the layperson could understand what he was saying.

There was only one problem: what he was saying was largely false, contrary to the opinions of the medical establishment, and potentially dangerous.

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Stock addressing the Mt. Vernon Community Schools board

Stock claims that the vaccines are causing the current surge in COVID-19 cases.

A video clip of Stock addressing the Mt. Vernon Community Schools board, pushing back against the usefulness of masks and extolling the dangers of vaccination in response to COVID-19 has gone viral, captivating droves of Americans, skeptical and weary from a pandemic with seemingly no end in sight who have hailed the central Indiana-based doctor as a hero.

But doctors across the state and beyond are responding to the video with a varying degrees of exasperation and anger.
 
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  • #416
‘No concept of how awful it was’: the forgotten world of pre-vaccine childhood in Australia

“In the 19th century, the leading cause of death in children was infectious disease. People would have 10 children and might lose five of them. We lived with high rates of infant mortality,” she says.

As well as two world wars, Australians in the first half of the 20th century had a Spanish flu pandemic and a bubonic plague outbreak to contend with, along with numerous spot-fires of disease.


To modern parents, disease names like polio and smallpox and diphtheria have been relegated by vaccination to arcane words with no practical relevance. But while these cruel diseases no longer kill Australian children, experts say there may be a risk of lapsing into complacency.

“The visibility of the ravages of polio, and the fact that most people knew someone who’d had a child die were really powerful drivers, people were desperate for vaccines,” says David Isaacs, clinical professor in paediatric infectious diseases at the University of Sydney, and author of Defeating the Ministers of Death – The Compelling History of Vaccination. “Many younger people have no concept now of how awful it was.”


“It was a reality of life in Australia. A lot of people don’t realise how many diseases were rampant until relatively recently. There’s a reduced visibility of the consequences of these diseases, people don’t appreciate the fear parents felt of sending a child to school and possibly having them not come back into the family,” he says.

“Thankfully we are not seeing new cases of polio, but there are still people living with the consequences of the disease, and they feel forgotten.”

Not that there weren’t triumphs, notably the eradication of smallpox, which Isaacs says killed up to one in three babies in the London of the 18th and early 19th centuries. A campaign by the World Health Organization, starting in 1967, saw it wiped out by 1980.

The first smallpox vaccinations in Australia were given in the early 1800s. That was no good to the people of the Eora nation. In 1789, a disease believed to be smallpox was introduced by the colonists. It tore through the Aboriginal population of Sydney, killing up to 70%.

While smallpox is no longer a threat, MacIntyre warns that diseases we have almost forgotten can easily return if vaccination rates slip.

“One example is the fall of the Soviet Union,” she says. “There were good vaccination programs, and then when the Soviet Union fell, many stopped being conducted.”

As a result, cases of diphtheria, which had been almost unheard of due to vaccination, reached 140,000, and the disease killed 4,000 children and young adults.

“If we stopped vaccinating against diphtheria here, we would see the same,” MacIntyre says

As for committed anti-vaxxers, Tom Keneally knows what he would like to do to try to shift their perspective.

“I’d like to take anti-vaxxers back in time to my childhood. There would be a story on every street which could change their minds.”
 
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Covid mask mandates for schools are essential. Without them, instruction must be virtual. (nbcnews.com)

Places where state governments, school districts and parents refuse to provide basic health safeguards should automatically face remote learning.

Many of my worst pandemic fears about the fate of my cancer patients and adult family members abated once they became fully vaccinated. But with the hyper-transmissible delta variant circulating unchecked in many parts of our still half-vaccinated country, my unvaccinated 3-year-old son’s safety has never been so uncertain.

Up until now, kids have been spared the worst of Covid-19. Less than 2 percent of pediatric coronavirus infections have required hospitalization. Even of the 4,404 cases tallied to date of the dreaded multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children, a rare but serious condition linked to Covid in which different parts of the body become dangerously inflamed, less than 1 percent have died.

But this current phase of the pandemic is imperiling children, who are not authorized to receive the vaccine if under 12, at record levels. “It’s more than what we have seen in the past. Our ICU is 100 percent occupied,” said Dr. Sheldon Kaplan, a professor of pediatric infectious diseases at the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston. “No question there’s a huge impact in kids.”...
 
  • #419
Here is the link with this info:
"Each dose of Pfizer contains 10 micrograms of vaccine. Moderna went with a much larger dose of vaccine, 100 micrograms. It means the company is using a little more than three times as much vaccine per person as Pfizer is, and yet they aren't getting better
results."

Comparing three Covid-19 vaccines: Pfizer, Moderna, J&J

This article was posted in Feb 2021- I am wondering if the larger dose of Moderna is in fact making a positive difference with Delta. I heard maybe it is, but I have not found documentation for that. It is something to think about though

Last week there were many articles about the effectiveness of Moderna is holding stronger than Pfizer.....

Mayo reports declining COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness

Examining records for 25,000 vaccinated and unvaccinated Mayo patients in Minnesota, the researchers reported

76% effectiveness in the Pfizer vaccine protecting them from infection this year, but only 42% effectiveness in July

amid the emergence of a more transmissible delta variant. The comparable effectiveness of the

Moderna vaccine declined from 86% to 76%.
 
  • #420
And where’s the media while 2 people (also vaccinated) are on vents this week in my small community ? Crazy how we very rarely hear of the vaccinated dying every day

Do you know if they are elderly? I suspect that many of the people with breakthrough cases and hospitalizations are elderly, immunocompromised, or with significant underlying conditions.
 
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